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PostSubject: Pattern in mass murders?   Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:13 pm

A lot of mass murders I have read about seem to share common personalities, and seem to have gone through similar things. I don't think bullying is the main reason school shootings happen, although I think it does contribute. People who commit mass murder are often withdrawn, loners, and are depressed. In my opinion mass murder happens because the murder feels as if they are not accepted. They feel as if they are an alien, that is surrounded by people who are all the same. Imagine this, you are a socially awkward teenager who is depressed, you have been bullied at school, you have been sexually abused as a child, your farther wants nothing to do with you,ext. How would you feel? you would be traumatized. My point is these build up of traumatizing events (caused by people) have a huge impact on you, you begin to think "well people have treated me like shit my whole life therefor I should get revenge". Mass murders are made, they are not born in the world like this, they are made like this by people.
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PostSubject: Re: Pattern in mass murders?   Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:31 pm

Of course and this is not only in a mass murderer situation, in.serial killers too. No one will kill other person because one day decided to do it for nothing . There exist something else behind: trauma, rejection, bullying. All those circumstances affected the people and in some of them, a psychological problem start after that, that eventually take to to commit murder because not all the rejected or abused people commit murder, so a mental problem is another fact and something that contribute too.

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PostSubject: Re: Pattern in mass murders?   Mon Apr 21, 2014 5:31 am

Only a small sample of Mass Shooters is traumatized. I think the most common illness of Mass Shooters is Schizophrenia, or a similar psychotic disorder. In case of the second most common, I'd tip of Personality Disorders.
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PostSubject: Re: Pattern in mass murders?   Wed May 28, 2014 7:37 pm

What I think is that there isnt just one motivator/trigger its likely born mental illness combined with traumatising experiences like bullying which causes a person to snap. I'm not saying that a person is born to do such an act of violence but some people do indeed have a greater chance then "normal" people.
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PostSubject: Re: Pattern in mass murders?   Thu May 29, 2014 11:30 pm

Great post

And, yes, there are patterns/similarities amongst shooters, however, they should be looked at individually as well.

Common trends amongst mass shooters are: 1) Anger: anger can be from an event or directed to the future shooting, 2) Rejection of some sort: whether that rejection came from "someone" or "something", there is a sense of ostracization, of being left out, 3) A Sense of Injustice: most shooters feel they have been "wronged" in some way - this factor has A LOT to do with which target the shooter selects, 4) Revenge/Retaliation - there comes a point where there is a "striking back" at THE chosen target, 5) Notoriety - to be remembered FOREVER: although mass shootings are horrific, one of the main reasons they happen, I believe, is because the shooter wants those that live to "never forget" what has been done.  

Of course, there are more factors common among mass shooters but those are some.


Interestingly, serial killers have different factors compared to the mass killer/shooter
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PostSubject: Re: Pattern in mass murders?   Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:16 am

I do believe there exists a pattern. Of some sort. That's all I can contribute to this thread.
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PostSubject: Re: Pattern in mass murders?   Sun May 03, 2015 5:21 am

There is no real pattern.
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PostSubject: Re: Pattern in mass murders?   Sun May 03, 2015 6:21 am

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People who commit mass murder are often withdrawn, loners, and are depressed. In my opinion mass murder happens because the murder feels as if they are not accepted. They feel as if they are an alien, that is surrounded by people who are all the same.

I'd argue that "not being accepted"or "feeling alien"is a bit too specific. Its true for some (Cho, Red Lake shooter, probably also Lanza), but not for all (Breivik, Kazimierczak, Erfurt shooter).

I'd say what is true for all is that they are in generl unhappy and dissatisfied with their lives or the world around them. The dissatisfaction can be turned inward, or outward. But its there. Happy jolly people don't go on spree killings.


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Imagine this, you are a socially awkward teenager who is depressed, you have been bullied at school, you have been sexually abused as a child, your farther wants nothing to do with you,ext. How would you feel? you would be traumatized. My point is these build up of traumatizing events (caused by people) have a huge impact on you, you begin to think "well people have treated me like shit my whole life therefor I should get revenge". Mass murders are made, they are not born in the world like this, they are made like this by people.

I think pointing to traumatization is going too far. Most spree killers were not traumatized in the sense you mentioned (sexual abuse, bullyin etc). Breivik, Auvinen, Kazimierczak are all good examples of clearly non-traumatized killers. I'd argue that neither Eric nor Dylan were traumatized.
Lanza and the Red Lake shooter? Different story.


So yeha, I think the common theme is dissatisfaction. Root causes of this however can be vastly different and I wwould disagree with you. In many times the dissatisfaction seems to come from inherent personality traits or mental disorders of the shooters. Sometimes it is vividly nature, much less nurture. I'm certain that Cho or Lanza would be still around if it weren't for their mental disorders which were clearly central elements in their own massacres.


I also think you ar emissing another clear pattern: Spree killers are mostly very interested in previous spree killers. So, I would sadly not be entirely surprised if a future killer is amongs us, browsing this forum at this very moment.

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PostSubject: Re: Pattern in mass murders?   Sun May 24, 2015 5:36 pm

Mass murders have been happening since people found a way to kill more than one person without getting killed.

For example, an ancient Kievian countess Olga in 946 AD had avenged her husband Igor's death by setting a flock of wild birds with lit fuses attached to their legs at the town responsible for murder, causing mass fires everywhere and burning alive probably a few hundred people.

It's just that today we have automatic weapons, and individuals have means to kill many. The motives are as numerous as people are, attempting to patternize them is just simplifying the issue.
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PostSubject: Re: Pattern in mass murders?   Sun May 24, 2015 11:18 pm

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I also think you ar emissing another clear pattern: Spree killers are mostly very interested in previous spree killers. So, I would sadly not be entirely surprised if a future killer is amongs us, browsing this forum at this very moment.

Yikes...that's quiet a terrifying thought

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PostSubject: Re: Pattern in mass murders?   Mon May 25, 2015 12:09 am

It seems like you are only talking about mass shooters. There are other types of mass murderers, such as bombers, who sometimes have different motives.


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PostSubject: Re: Pattern in mass murders?   Mon May 25, 2015 6:49 am

@boringguy wrote:
It seems like you are only talking about mass shooters. There are other types of mass murderers, such as bombers, with entirely different motives and patterns.

Sometimes terrorists do have similar motives to mass shooters or serial killers, especially the suicide bombers, who gain nothing and lose everything for just getting to be a very important person in history, if only for a brief moment.

I think what confuses people is the different methods used for killing, making it seem as if these are different crimes.

If there is a common thing between all these atrocities, I'd say it is EXTREME DISREGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE.

Humans mean nothing to a mass murderer, they are less significant than whatever mission he has, be it personal gratification, religious superstition, money, political ideology or something else.

What causes this shift in priorities is another question.
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