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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:51 pm

Not everything that deals with police have to deal with police corruption. There is still no evidence whatsoever to this day regarding Eric and Dylan being abused by police. Sounds like...once again, people are using police officers as a scapegoat for someone doing a massacre.

Regarding the buttrape incident, correct me if I'm wrong but I could've sworn Calence Emerson, or another fellow Columbine researcher reported that the buttrape incident text is a bunch of BS, and it was created by one of their friends, and "Had no idea it was going to blow up that big".
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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:09 pm

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Regarding the buttrape incident, correct me if I'm wrong but I could've sworn Calence Emerson, or another fellow Columbine researcher reported that the buttrape incident text is a bunch of BS, and it was created by one of their friends, and "Had no idea it was going to blow up that big".

This is what you usually hear, yeah. I'm still not convinced.

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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:09 am

Regarding Eric's obsession with killing the cops; seems fairly consistent with how he reacted to everything. Every little slight against him became worthy of death. Being arrested is a pretty debasing experience, after I was arrested I hated the cop who did it, I still have a underlying contempt for the police. They treat you like you're the worst form of human trash they've ever had the displeasure of looking at. Was his reaction out of proportion, absolutely, then again so is blowing up a school because you were bullied.

I'd be much more inclined to say he's not a psychopath than say he might have been raped.
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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:07 am

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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:31 am

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What the hell does any of this happen to do with Tim Walsh? No offense guys I know everyone's having a discussion, but seriously.


Much of American suburbia is similar to Littleton, which Eric and Dylan obviously felt the need to decimate with fire. There is no shortage of religious lunatics, corrupt capitalists, and anti-intellectuals.

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Does anyone have an opinion on the "Walsh butt rape incident"? I couldn't find anything on this topic via search... Here is a little article on it:

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Some think this drawing (apparently drawn by Eric) depicts Eric and Dylan getting raped in the butt by Walsh during their arrest, and this is the true "January Incident" that inspired Columbine. Thoughts?


I think people are way too quick to dismiss the possibility. There's no hard evidence but there is a lot of circumstantial evidence, not the least of which is Walsh's departure form the JeffCo sheriff's dept. That same dept. was implicated in an underage male escort ring or something like this, I believe. There are "explanations" for the document you cite but they seem suspicious as well. Usually when this subject is broached someone pipes up right away to call it a mistake or hoax. 

Go back and read Eric's essay about getting arrested. In it he says "As I waited I cried, I hurt, and I felt like hell...." The words "I hurt" seem a bit odd in this context. If he meant he hurt emotionally, well then that pretty much does away with the "psychopath" label doesn't it? 

Now if he meant physically... then why?   

Police brutality is not just an issue in the US -- it is an epidemic. I think the story deserves much more of an investigation than it has had, but I don't think it's likely to happpen.

Eric went way out of his way to try to kill cops during NBK. There is simply no rational explanation for his obsession with killing them. Yes, I know, he was mad about being busted for the van break-in; sorry that doesn't work for me, entirely.

Do you know offhand where that essay is located? I've been trying to find it... But will keep looking! I'm not dismissing this theory without knowing more.

It's a school assignment he did called "the most significant event that has changed my life" I'm not sure if you can find it outside the 11k. It does not prove he was raped at all. Being arrested is traumatic.
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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:02 am

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Do you know offhand where that essay is located? I've been trying to find it... But will keep looking! I'm not dismissing this theory without knowing more.


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"Being arrested is traumatic." 

Not so much. Have you ever been arrested?  I have. It did not fill me rage or with a thirst for revenge. Nor did it send me out to make pipe-bombs and accrue illegal weapons. 

If he was a psychopath how could anything have felt traumatic?

The psychopath argument is such a cop-out.  lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:19 am

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Do you know offhand where that essay is located? I've been trying to find it... But will keep looking! I'm not dismissing this theory without knowing more.


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"Being arrested is traumatic." 

Not so much. Have you ever been arrested?  I have. It did not fill me rage or with a thirst for revenge. Nor did it send me out to make pipe-bombs and accrue illegal weapons. 

If he was a psychopath how could anything have felt traumatic?

The psychopath argument is such a cop-out.  lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:23 am

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Yes I have been arrested, no I didn't want to kill the cop but I hated him. Plus like I said before I think it's more likely he wasn't a psychopath than he was raped.  Why would this cop rape a couple of upper middle class kids that he's fully planning to being to the station and book them, than call their parents to pick them up. That would just be incredibly stupid on his part.

So are you saying that cops and rapists are usually intelligent?

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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:33 am

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Yes I have been arrested, no I didn't want to kill the cop but I hated him. Plus like I said before I think it's more likely he wasn't a psychopath than he was raped.  Why would this cop rape a couple of upper middle class kids that he's fully planning to being to the station and book them, than call their parents to pick them up. That would just be incredibly stupid on his part.

So are you saying that cops and rapists are usually intelligent?

No I'm not but he would have had to have lacked any kind of common sense to have raped them than proceed to arrest them.

The only thing I've ever found strange about their arrest was the charge itself. Seems to me that cop went easy on them but I thought that probably has something to do with them cooperating.
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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:44 am

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Yes I have been arrested, no I didn't want to kill the cop but I hated him. Plus like I said before I think it's more likely he wasn't a psychopath than he was raped.  Why would this cop rape a couple of upper middle class kids that he's fully planning to being to the station and book them, than call their parents to pick them up. That would just be incredibly stupid on his part.

So are you saying that cops and rapists are usually intelligent?

No I'm not but he would have had to have lacked any kind of common sense to have raped them than proceed to arrest them.

The only thing I've ever found strange about their arrest was  the charge itself. Seems to me that cop went easy on them but I thought that probably has something to do with them cooperating.

Besides Jeffco wasn't very good at Cover-ups, if something like that really happened, that other people knew about, than we'd have a lot more to go on than a file named Walsh buttrape and a drawing that literally proves nothing at all.
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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:40 am

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Besides Jeffco wasn't very good at Cover-ups, if something like that really happened, that other people knew about, than we'd have a lot more to go on than a file named Walsh buttrape and a drawing that literally proves nothing at all.

You are making a lot of assertions here without any evidence for them. Exactly what has JeffCo tried and failed at covering up? The Basement Tapes? The reason the search warrant was quashed?

I think they've done a fair enough job of obfuscating many key elements of the case. Much like any other police dept.

Let's review a few key points regarding Eric's potential rape by Walsh:

1) Eric called the arrest the most traumatic experience of his life.

2) He went into psychiatric counseling after the arrest and was prescribed Luvox.

3) Plans for NBK followed directly after the arrest.

4) Walsh was mentioned specifically and repeatedly by the boys as a reason for doing NBK.

5) The boys went way out of their way to try to kill and engage with the cops during NBK.

6) The Walsh Buttrape file does exist.

7) "My wrath for January's incident will be godlike"

There's more but I must step a way a moment....

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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Wed Aug 12, 2015 12:09 pm

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Besides Jeffco wasn't very good at Cover-ups, if something like that really happened, that other people knew about, than we'd have a lot more to go on than a file named Walsh buttrape and a drawing that literally proves nothing at all.

You are making a lot of assertions here without any evidence for them. Exactly what has JeffCo tried and failed at covering up? The Basement Tapes? The reason the search warrant was quashed?  

I think they've done a fair enough job of obfuscating many key elements of the case. Much like any other police dept.

Let's review a few key points regarding Eric's potential rape by Walsh:

1) Eric called the arrest the most traumatic experience of his life.

2) He went into psychiatric counseling after the arrest and was prescribed Luvox.

3) Plans for NBK followed directly after the arrest.

4) Walsh was mentioned specifically and repeatedly by the boys as a  reason for doing NBK.

5) The boys went way out of their way to try to kill and engage with the cops during NBK.

6) The Walsh Buttrape file does exist.

7) "My wrath for January's incident will be godlike"

There's more but I must step a way a moment....

How about the fact that they tried to cover-up the search warrant ever having existed at all.

They even had a meeting about it shortly after Columbine happened. They didn't want that getting out, but it did, so good job JeffCo.

Sorry but something that salacious being involved in an event that big would not stay covered very long.

It is traumatizing being arrested for something that big. I don't know what you were arrested for or how you were treated, but I was arrested for the same damn thing they were arrested for and not much older than they were. And when they have to separate you and interrogate you it can feel pretty damn scary and humiliating. And he was probably terrified of what his family was going to think.

He went into counseling because it was ordered by the courts as part of his diversion program. I was also part of a diversion program and they make you do all kinds of things like that. Another thing which made him more angry and bitter at law enforcement, he thought the consequences for what he did were "orbital" I believe was the word he used. He really didn't feel like he had done anything wrong.

The Walsh buttrape file is weird but it's been explained.

Them mentioning Walsh repeatedly doesn't surprise me considering how well Eric held grudges.
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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Wed Aug 12, 2015 12:32 pm

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Sorry but something that salacious being involved in an event that big would not stay covered very long.

There is absolutely no evidence for this assertion. Rapes stay covered up all the time. So does police brutality. So do rapes that are reported and investigated.

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It is traumatizing being arrested for something that big. I don't know what you were arrested for or how you were treated, but I was arrested for the same damn thing they were arrested for and not much older than they were. And when they have to separate you and interrogate you it can feel pretty damn scary and humiliating. And he was probably terrified of what his family was going to think.

That is a direct contradiction of the idea that Eric was a psychopath. That said, I also would say: no, it is not that traumatic. Lots of people are arrested; many of them are mistreated by police or other inmates and very few, if any of them, resort to planning a bombing and rampage shooting as a response.

I've been arrested for possession of a sawed-off shotgun and placed in a felony detention block for a while. I'd say 1 in 3 people there was a victim of police brutality, many of them repeatedly.  

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He went into counseling because it was ordered by the courts as part of his diversion program.  

That's true. But I read somewhere where his parents sought treatment for him directly related to his PTSD from the arrest itself. Dylan was not placed in this kind of intensive psychiatric counseling nor did he receive Luvox.

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The Walsh buttrape file is weird but it's been explained.

Explained for whom? I would say it is actually completely unexplained. Note: I am not asking you to repeat the explanation; I am saying the explanation is, to my mind, insufficient.

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Them mentioning Walsh repeatedly doesn't surprise me considering how well Eric held grudges.

So now we're back to Dylan-the-follower? It is Dylan who mentions Walsh both in the BT and in the yearbook. As far as I know, Eric never said his name or mentioned him directly. He just said "kill cops." Another key pattern of a rape-victim to avoid using the assailant's name. Also to project the experience onto other similar places or people or images. Like other cops forex.

NBK did not become a living reality until after the Walsh arrest. It became a reality partially as a direct response to it. This means that anyone who is saying the boys were holding a grudge because they were embarrassed or humiliated by their arrest must then also admit that neither of them were psychopaths.

The fact that Rocky and his buds were arrested for a B&E and let off scot-free is the best alternate explanation I've heard as to why the boys hated cops so much. If this is the case, then it places the onus for NBK back on the institutionalized bullying that was endemic to CHS and the Littleton community as a whole.

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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Wed Aug 12, 2015 12:43 pm

The January incident could have been referring to the drugs search subjected onto the boys at school once, or the alleged cup of shit being thrown at them incident.
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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Wed Aug 12, 2015 12:46 pm

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The January incident could have been referring to the drugs search subjected onto the boys at school once, or the alleged cup of shit being thrown at them incident.

This is true. Very good point. But he did say "Not to mention our revenge in the commons." As if to suggest two separate grudges?

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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Wed Aug 12, 2015 12:53 pm

Ok, being arrested is not traumatic enough to cause ptsd, but when did Eric ever act like he was suffering from ptsd? I'm not saying I don't believe you but if you could provide a source for Eric's parents wanting him to get counseling because of ptsd, then I would really like to see it.

I just assumed Eric received the medication and counseling because he was a lot more honest on those forms than Dylan was.

I've never said Dylan was a follower, I'm just saying Eric held grudges really well and they both fueled and feed off of each other.
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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Wed Aug 12, 2015 1:56 pm

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Ok, being arrested is not traumatic enough to cause ptsd, but when did Eric ever act like he was suffering from ptsd? I'm not saying I don't believe you but if you could provide a source for Eric's parents wanting him to get counseling because of ptsd, then I would really like to see it.

I'll see what I can do about digging up some references. I am fairly certain that the term PTSD was not used by anyone in this context. That was just a kind of shorthand I was using -- regret any confusion.

You are right that there is no solid evidence for Walsh raping Eric. All the evidence that we have seems to suggest that the Walsh Buttrape report is an anomalous bit of documentation that doesn't mean much of anything at all.

So why does it exist?

When you were arrested did you draw a sketch of the incident? Were you asked to write up a report as in the following:


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"Map of crime scene drawn by Eric Harris."

So you are suggesting that Eric drew this diagram as a part of his written confession to the van break-in? So what are the figures above the "van and us" section? Why did Eric draw them?

Why does the drawing NOT show the break-in, or Dylan, or their route of attempted escape?

Need I point out that it is highly unusual for any suspect to draw a diagram of a crime scene even when confessing to a crime? But it is not unusual for a victim to attempt to do so.

The Walshbuttrape document is also mixed up with the quashed search warrant. I would like to hear your explanation for this. My feeling is the Walshbuttrape issue may have played a role in the suppression of the Browns' search warrant.

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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:09 pm

No, I was not asked to draw the crime scene, other than trying to get a direct confession out of us, we weren't asked to do much else.

Admittedly, focusing on the crime you committed to the point where you're making sketches of it is unusual. For the most part you just want to forget it ever happened.

But that picture does not look like someone being raped. Eric was not bad at drawing. If that is a picture of someone bent over than it looks like a five year old did it. Not that, that means much, the whole picture looks bad.

I'm just saying other than the unusual amount of focus on the crime scene there's not much in that picture to go on.
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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:20 pm

Ah, now I see what you're getting at (sorry I'm tired, it took me a minute) ok well I guess if they had him draw it up it's a bit out of the ordinary. I'm not sure why they would have him do that. It's is possible they had him draw it up as part of his confession, it's not out of the question. It's still think it's a bit of a reach but I think I might look a little further into this now. I want to know what there standard procedure for a crime like this would be.
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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:22 pm

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But that picture does not look like someone being raped. Eric was not bad at drawing.  If that is a picture of someone bent over than it looks like a five year old did it. Not that, that means much, the whole picture looks bad.

Well he was traumatized. So it's a bad picture of someone being raped drawn by someone who...was just raped and was scared and humiliated. Not to mention still under the power and control of the rapist.

If you got arrested again and a cop raped you and you had the guts to report it and they asked you to make a drawing would you go for a lot of detail or just slash out something in anger and pain?

That's assuming anyone even acted like they believed you and since you were just arrested that is highly unlikely. As soon as you are in handcuffs you no longer have much credibility with anyone. That goes for your own family and friends as well. Most people assume if you have been arrested you deserve whatever happens and you are sure to be a liar and claim things as excuses etc.

I've had cops threaten me. I've had them become borderline abusive. If they had crossed the line, while arresting me, or even while I was in jail, just who do you think I could go and tell? The other cops? That is a naive position. If Eric was raped and he reported it, the result would probably be no-one believed him, or believed him just enough to have him draw the sketch upstream.

The main issue would still be his crime -- the van break-in. His side of the story even if it included police brutality would be only of a secondary interest to anyone then as it remains to this day. I'm sure even his parents would have a hard time believing it, assuming he did report it. After-all he was crazy, right? That's what everyone concluded. Typical result for a rape victim by the way.

But I am with you on your positions as well. The whole thing is disturbing and ambiguous.

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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:34 pm

Looks to me like a guy walking his dog.

Who called it Walsh Butt Rape? I'm assuming it was a colleague just having a laugh, having seen what you guys are seeing in the sketch?

I guess he filed it away under that name as a joke between himself, Walsh and maybe a few other colleagues, thinking it's never need to be seen again - just a couple of punk kids that got in a spot of bother and would learn their lesson from the arrest and not get in trouble again.
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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:48 pm

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Looks to me like a guy walking his dog.

Who called it Walsh Butt Rape? I'm assuming it was a colleague just having a laugh, having seen what you guys are seeing in the sketch?

I guess he filed it away under that name as a joke between himself, Walsh and maybe a few other colleagues, thinking it's never need to be seen again - just a couple of punk kids that got in a spot of bother and would learn their lesson from the arrest and not get in trouble again.

No, he's right about the drawing, it's unusual that they would have a suspect make a sketch of the crime scene. Also why joke about it unless one of them said Walsh raped me, just a strange joke is all.

And Gustopoet is absolutely right about people not believing the criminal over the cop.

So the whole thing is a little murkier than I originally thought.
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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:51 pm

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I guess he filed it away under that name as a joke between himself, Walsh and maybe a few other colleagues, thinking it's never need to be seen again - just a couple of punk kids that got in a spot of bother and would learn their lesson from the arrest and not get in trouble again.

He sure had good judgement then didn't he?


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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:58 pm

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So the whole thing is a little murkier than I originally thought.

It's not murky; it's opaque. Aubre, you have the tone of someone determined to get to the bottom of something (no pun intended).  Smile Wish you mounds of luck. As far as I can tell, you can put my comments in this thread next to Radioactive's and pretty much have all the info available on this Walshbuttrape thing. Which only makes it more suspicious imho.

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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:08 pm

Ok yeah it's opaque, I put murky because it's also not easy to see through but it's also dark. Yeah I guess there's probably not a whole lot more to learn about this, but you were able to persuade me to open my mind a little bit to it. I saw it before but ran from it, anything that even kids of resembles a conspiracy theory I run. So I'm just impressed you were able to get me to see it a little differently.
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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:19 pm

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Ok yeah it's opaque, I put murky because it's also not easy to see through but it's also dark. Yeah I guess there's probably not a whole lot more to learn about this, but you were able to persuade me to open my mind a little bit to it. I saw it before but ran from it, anything that even kids of resembles a conspiracy theory I run. So I'm just impressed you were able to get me to see it a little differently.

Maybe you can find something else if you keep digging. I'm grateful for the points you made as well -- it is easy to start getting carried away with circumstantial evidence, or even blind-alleys.





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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:07 am

Sorry I'm not buying the ridiculous police accusation.

Again, not every time that police are involved in something HAS to be a cover up...it is getting quite comical at this point because everything relating to law enforcement or the government has to be a cover up, has to have something happening.

There is still no evidence whatsoever that Tim Walsh "raped" Eric and Dylan. No reports, nothing. Besides Eric was a big mouth. He'd have no trouble to say this to the world, or to his parents, or to Dylan, or on the Basement Tapes for that matter. Dylan was more personal, but if Eric didn't mention it I doubt it ever happened. The whole "buttrape" has been outdated for almost a decade already.
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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:36 am

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Sorry I'm not buying the ridiculous police accusation.

Again, not every time that police are involved in something HAS to be a cover up...it is getting quite comical at this point because everything relating to law enforcement or the government has to be a cover up, has to have something happening.  

There is still no evidence whatsoever that Tim Walsh "raped" Eric and Dylan. No reports, nothing. Besides Eric was a big mouth. He'd have no trouble to say this to the world, or to his parents, or to Dylan, or on the Basement Tapes for that matter. Dylan was more personal, but if Eric didn't mention it I doubt it ever happened. The whole "buttrape" has been outdated for almost a decade already.

It does sound really far-fetched  at first. I don't buy into theories. But Jeffco was exactly forthright with everything were they, they did try to cover-up a lot of shit.

For ago we know they did mention being abused somehow, it's not like we have all the documents. I'd really like to know what was on that tape recording Eric made.
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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:33 pm

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There is still no evidence whatsoever that Tim Walsh "raped" Eric and Dylan. No reports, nothing. Besides Eric was a big mouth. He'd have no trouble to say this to the world, or to his parents, or to Dylan, or on the Basement Tapes for that matter. Dylan was more personal, but if Eric didn't mention it I doubt it ever happened. The whole "buttrape" has been outdated for almost a decade already.

There's no known hard evidence. There is circumstantial evidence. We don't have everything that JeffCo had/has and we never will. For all we know something incriminating was on the BT or on Eric's "Nixon" tape. I'm not inclined to be so peremptorily dismissive of the possibility. Rape victims, particularly males, are more apt to go into denial about the incident than to shout about it from the rooftops even if they are "loudmouths." A vast number of people who are raped never tell anyone. There is a pathology associated with the PTSD of being raped and Eric shows more signs of suffering from this syndrome than he does of being a "psychopath." That is a simple, clinical fact.

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PostSubject: Re: Tim Walsh, no records of him found anywhere   Fri Aug 14, 2015 1:51 am

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