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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Sat 15 Jul 2017, 19:57

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I recently watched a 20/20 documentary on Elliot Rodger that showed the videos he made, and they were so embarrassing and cringey… I was like, this guy is so pathetic… And I think we have this mythicized image of the basement tapes since almost everybody has been doing the most to keep them from the public, but actually, what Eric and Dylan supposedly say in the tapes is similar to what Rodger said in his videos, so I'm pretty sure that releasing them would actually help to demystify the shooters and show how lame they were, since copycat attacks are going to keep happening anyway.

I mean, just thinking of Rodger's videos being kept "secret" and having people speculate about them like has happened to the basement tapes (in a low key way of course, since it wasn't so relevant), when they are so pathetic… lol

i'll have to agree with you there
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Sat 15 Jul 2017, 20:29

If the Tapes were actually destroyed, all the news stations or news sites would've covered it. In the case of the basement tapes, only westword covered it. Lets compare it to the Christine Chubbuck Suicide tape, when this was "allegedly" leaked online. People made a big deal over it. Muiltiple news sites covered it, but only a local Colorado news site covered the Basement tape destruction.
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Tue 18 Jul 2017, 21:56

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If the Tapes were actually destroyed, all the news stations or news sites would've covered it. In the case of the basement tapes, only westword covered it. Lets compare it to the Christine Chubbuck Suicide tape, when this was "allegedly" leaked online. People made a big deal over it. Muiltiple news sites covered it, but only a local Colorado news site covered the Basement tape destruction.
I know that a lot of people on this forum are huge on keeping up with news regarding the shootings, but I'm not sure it'd be national news if the tapes were destroyed.

Even if they weren't, there's really no benefit at all for the FBI to release them. Would they be interesting to see? Sure. Does it do any good to release them though? Hardly.
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Wed 19 Jul 2017, 22:21

If anything, the one thing it would show is how they acted alone together. All the other tapes are of their friends filming them or them with their friends. These tapes show how they acted together, also we should be allowed to see these tapes, as the FBI as the efoia or Freedom of information act. You can message them here about a request for the tapes. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Tue 01 Aug 2017, 11:27

As much as I would love to see the tapes, I'm totally fine at accepting the fact I will never see them.

I'm not sure why, or what it is, but part of me is almost glad that they haven't been released?

Which is strange seeing how much I want to see them...
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Tue 01 Aug 2017, 16:25

Releasing them might wake up these fangirls who think Eric and Dylan are Gods. From what I've read and seen, they were vicious. Poor Sue Klebold nearly threw up when she was watching them. She just couldn't believe the vile coming from her son's mouth.
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Thu 03 Aug 2017, 09:54

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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Thu 03 Aug 2017, 13:43

If it were possible I would have watched the COMPLETE ~2-3 hours of Basement Tapes!!
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Sat 19 Aug 2017, 19:34

In many articles it says there are 5 Basement tapes, however there are only 3 missing. Would Rampart range and Hitmen for hire be considered the found 2. Also on evidence item 298, Radioactive clothing was on it, would that be considered a basement tape?
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Sat 19 Aug 2017, 23:42

hmmm I don't think so because Hitmen for hire and Radioactive clothing were just school projects... those tapes must be something else entirely
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Fri 06 Oct 2017, 05:44

I don't see the point in releasing them. The only reason people want to see them is probably just because they want new pictures of Eric and Dylan to post on tumblr and masturbate to.

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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Fri 06 Oct 2017, 09:35

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I don't see the point in releasing them. The only reason people want to see them is probably just because they want new pictures of Eric and Dylan to post on tumblr and masturbate to.

Agreed. Basement tapes are just Eric and Dylan boasting around, and releasing Eric's bomb tutorials included in them would not be a very good idea at all.
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Fri 06 Oct 2017, 09:47

I think the main reason people want to see the tapes is mainly to try to get a sense of their dynamic together. I personally want to see them simply because I am a very skeptical person, and would rather see and hear for myself rather then rely on the released transcripts. Very Happy  

But I also have no doubt that there are fangirls/fanguys that just want new content to fantasize over. Rolling Eyes

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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Fri 06 Oct 2017, 10:53

There has been such a air of mystery around them for so long that I want to see what the fuss is about.
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Fri 06 Oct 2017, 13:31

Please, who I must contact to get the full tape of the cafeteria in HIGH QUALITY

"JCSO-Record" told me that he does not own it, they lie ?....

It's really annoying  confused , it's not a problem if I have to pay 1000$, I want it !

Sorry for my bad english
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Fri 06 Oct 2017, 13:41

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Please, who I must contact to get the full tape of the cafeteria in HIGH QUALITY

"JCSO-Record" told me that he does not own it, they lie ?....

It's really annoying  confused , it's not a problem if I have to pay 1000$, I want it !

Sorry for my bad english

Have you searched Youtube? Also ask CVA, he may have it.

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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Fri 06 Oct 2017, 13:49

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Have you searched Youtube?  Also ask CVA, he may have it.

Thanks you for your reply,
but the video in high quality has never been public


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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Fri 06 Oct 2017, 14:02

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Have you searched Youtube?  Also ask CVA, he may have it.

Thanks you for your reply,
but the video in high quality has never been public



Then maybe CVA could point you in the right direction on how to track it down. He has come up with some pretty rare Columbine related things. Would be worth a shot. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Fri 06 Oct 2017, 15:54

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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Fri 06 Oct 2017, 15:59

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they say they do not have better quality available
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Fri 06 Oct 2017, 16:00

You could always order the Cafeteria Surveillance from Jeffco and see for yourself.
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Fri 06 Oct 2017, 16:01

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I don't see the point in releasing them. The only reason people want to see them is probably just because they want new pictures of Eric and Dylan to post on tumblr and masturbate to.

Agreed. Basement tapes are just Eric and Dylan boasting around, and releasing Eric's bomb tutorials included in them would not be a very good idea at all.

It wouldn't be a terrible idea if people copied Eric's bomb tips cause they were pretty shit.
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Fri 06 Oct 2017, 16:02

If given the chance, I would watch the Basement Tapes.
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Fri 06 Oct 2017, 16:06

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I don't see the point in releasing them. The only reason people want to see them is probably just because they want new pictures of Eric and Dylan to post on tumblr and masturbate to.

Agreed. Basement tapes are just Eric and Dylan boasting around, and releasing Eric's bomb tutorials included in them would not be a very good idea at all.

It wouldn't be a terrible idea if people copied Eric's bomb tips cause they were pretty shit.


Yeah, he was overly confident in his bomb making knowledge and expertise.

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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Fri 06 Oct 2017, 16:11

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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Fri 06 Oct 2017, 16:15

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I don't see the point in releasing them. The only reason people want to see them is probably just because they want new pictures of Eric and Dylan to post on tumblr and masturbate to.

Agreed. Basement tapes are just Eric and Dylan boasting around, and releasing Eric's bomb tutorials included in them would not be a very good idea at all.

It wouldn't be a terrible idea if people copied Eric's bomb tips cause they were pretty shit.

That's the point, people would hurt themselves from an accidental explosion. He got most of his bomb ideas from the Anarchist Cookbook, which is proven to be bullshit.
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Fri 06 Oct 2017, 16:31

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I don't see the point in releasing them. The only reason people want to see them is probably just because they want new pictures of Eric and Dylan to post on tumblr and masturbate to.

Agreed. Basement tapes are just Eric and Dylan boasting around, and releasing Eric's bomb tutorials included in them would not be a very good idea at all.

It wouldn't be a terrible idea if people copied Eric's bomb tips cause they were pretty shit.

That's the point, people would hurt themselves from an accidental explosion. He got most of his bomb ideas from the Anarchist Cookbook, which is proven to be bullshit.

That'd be good then - better the people making the bombs hurt themselves than other people.
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Sun 15 Oct 2017, 06:08

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I recently watched a 20/20 documentary on Elliot Rodger that showed the videos he made, and they were so embarrassing and cringey… I was like, this guy is so pathetic… And I think we have this mythicized image of the basement tapes since almost everybody has been doing the most to keep them from the public, but actually, what Eric and Dylan supposedly say in the tapes is similar to what Rodger said in his videos, so I'm pretty sure that releasing them would actually help to demystify the shooters and show how lame they were, since copycat attacks are going to keep happening anyway.

I mean, just thinking of Rodger's videos being kept "secret" and having people speculate about them like has happened to the basement tapes (in a low key way of course, since it wasn't so relevant), when they are so pathetic… lol

I agree! I think the exact same with Randy Stair/Andrew Blaze, Cho and Riccardo (Bjork Stalker). All of their tapes made people think less of them, like Elliot. I really think releasing the Basement Tapes would do the same thing at this point. It would show Eric and Dylan playing big for the camera and ultimately looking silly and hopefully dissuade copycats. I think keeping them makes people's imaginations fill in the blanks and those blanks are dangerous.

A few people on this thread mentioned making an foia request to the FBI. Has anyone actually done it? If they have a copy they will release it under a foia request, but we can also ask for transcripts of the tapes or redacted versions if they have a problem with releasing some of the info (Names, bomb making instructions etc). I will write out the request if someone else will send it in to them and any other org that may have a copy. (Personally I think the FBI would not destroy any copy they have as they have a person who studies mass shooters etc and they would find it useful for profiles).
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