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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:32 am

I'm surprised the other videos released didn't dissuade the "godlike" status they had. It makes me see E&D as really normal kids who went astray. Rampart range could even be taken lightly as a bunch of guys playing with guns and saying violent things like they're just playing around. It's only dark now because of what they did.

Just like the picture of Eric in the year book "Eric Harris sits in the cafeteria observing the activity" meh.. but we know they were planning to set bombs off in the cafeteria when the maximum amount of students where having lunch, plus he has NBK on his backpack, it's faint but there. Now it gets REALLY eerie.

The transcripts even sound pretty tame to me. By refusing to release any of these and giving this aura of mystery it does, I agree, cause us to fill in the blanks and wonder what is so bad?

I really want to see the whole "Dude, you're Jewish" thing because both SK and Judy said Dylan looked scared...
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:53 am

I agree. If you knew nothing about Columbine then the videos themselves would seem to most as just normal male teen shenanigans. E&D act very similar to a lot kids that I went to school with, although these people didn't plan and then carry out a mass murder.

By keeping the basement tapes from being made public, Jeffco unintentionally assured that they would always be sought after. People are skeptical and want to see things for themselves, especially since Jeffco proved to be untrustworthy during the investigation.

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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:45 pm

The Basement Tapes, if released, certainly would not have made people think less of Eric/Dylan.
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:02 pm

It would be more like "Look at them being all tough drinking their Jack Daniels. Too bad they decided to do a massacre instead of making a fuck ton of money creating videos on youtube a few years later, making movies, making apps.. anything instead of what they did... wow Dylan has pretty eyes... hmmm" maybe not everyone would think the last part but I threw it in their for good measure, because you know there would be people who thought that. Me, no, not at all. No.

Honestly, we know what they did. 99.9% of us are disgusted by it. The Basement tapes aren't a streaming video of the library murders.

Now if something like that was videotaped and released, THAT would be a game changer.
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:08 am

I don't think the Basement Tapes would cause copycats either... if they were released back then. And maybe even now. There have been so many copycats in the last 18 years that I doubt it would have made a lick of difference. I just think Jeffco dosen't want them released because in it I suspect the boys talk about how many times were missed to stop them and how hopeless Jeffco are and it probably hurts their feelings...
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:20 am

Would anyone agree that no one can really copycat Columbine? You can't recreate the time, the victims and the lore about them.. were they killed because they were Christians, black, because they were just there? Who was asked what? At risk of sounding like a fangirl... you can't recreate Eric and Dylan either. No one will be them, no one will have the friends that they had. They had something about them that was interesting, we are all trying to pick their brains after nearly 20 years. I don't think there will be a school shooting that captures the world like Columbine.

There will always be violence and I agree they probably aren't released because JeffCo feels embarrassed that 2 high schoolers bested them.

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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:20 am

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Would anyone agree that no one can really copycat Columbine? You can't recreate the time, the victims and the lore about them.. were they killed because they were Christians, black, because they were just there? Who was asked what? At risk of sounding like a fangirl... you can't recreate Eric and Dylan either. No one will be them, no one will have the friends that they had. They had something about them that was interesting, we are all trying to pick their brains after nearly 20 years.  I don't think there will be a school shooting that captures the world like Columbine.

There will always be violence and I agree they probably aren't released because JeffCo feels embarrassed that 2 high schoolers bested them.


I completely agree. 'copycats' is the lamest excuse.
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:45 am

I have said this before, but there are copy cats right now.  Maybe not to the exact details of course but how many shooters or attempted shooters looked up to Eric and Dylan?  How many had read their journals and decided to shoot people?  We had Randy Stair right here under our noses.  He idolized Eric.  He had never seen the tapes but he still did what he did.

The release of the tape wouldn't cause any more copycats than already exist or will exist.  In fact I think for a lot of genuine researchers it would show Eric and Dylan in a much different light.  We could see them being stupid kids using cuss words and pointing guns at each other while they drink Coke and eat Slim Jims....

Maybe they are afraid of humanizing them. Having people realize these were just 2 boys not total monsters....

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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:15 pm

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Maybe they are afraid of humanizing them.  Having people realize these were just 2 boys not total monsters....

Agreed. Much easier to let people believe monsters just do monstrous things.

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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:18 pm

Liz, that could be it, people at large still think of them as complete monsters. Researchers I think have a more nuanced understanding of them. Sue's book has helped with Dylan though.

No one wants to think their loved one could be capable of such things. We all want to believe we could know who the "bad guys" are.
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:16 pm

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Would anyone agree that no one can really copycat Columbine? You can't recreate the time, the victims and the lore about them.. were they killed because they were Christians, black, because they were just there? Who was asked what?
Alvaro Castillo tried...
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:31 pm

A lot of the shooters were Eric Harris wanna be's....

Columbine itself though will be in its own zeitgeist so people can try to be copycats but it won't have the same affect. Just my humble opinion ;)

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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:20 am

Be cool to have a different timeline in an alternate universe where the only difference was that the basement tapes were released. I'd love to know what it would/wouldn't change.

Would kids relate more to them? Would it have made columbine mainstream? Would it have demystified them? Would people idolize them enough to mimic their actions?

Out of all Jeffco did, I think not releasing those tapes caused way more damage. It made them mysterious and way more misunderstood. Something people are actually drawn to, especially when they are also misunderstood.

Eric and Dylan were going to be famous because of how columbine was portrayed by the media, but Eric and Dylan have been made legendary by Jeffco.

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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:20 pm

Agreed. There's still the mystique around them and the things they have released and have been leaked have only added to people thinking they were pretty 'normal' guys.

A couple questions.

-Was Rampart Range part of the "basement tapes"?

-Were all of the short films they made (except for Nate and Dylan which as we know Nate sold) released by JeffCo or leaked by others? There's one short one with Dylan just quoting a monologue from Pulp Fiction and one of him in theatre class when someone dusts his trench coat and he is NOT happy about this.

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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:37 pm

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Agreed. There's still the mystique around them and the things they have released and have been leaked have only added to people thinking they were pretty 'normal' guys.

A couple questions.

-Was Rampart Range part of the "basement tapes"?

-Were all of the short films they made (except for Nate and Dylan which as we know Nate sold) released by JeffCo or leaked by others? There's one short one with Dylan just quoting a monologue from Pulp Fiction and one of him in theatre class when someone dusts his trench coat and he is NOT happy about this.

Tech not part of the BT afaik.

I know some of the very short clips were things that were aired on TV documentaries and news shows. I think for the most part things were released by Jeffco or friends and family

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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:43 pm

Thanks!

I think the Browns and Klebolds saw Rampart Range pretty early on. I could be confusing stories from AMR though.

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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:47 pm

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Thanks!

I think the Browns and Klebolds saw Rampart Range pretty early on. I could be confusing stories from AMR though.

IIRC the Rampart Range tape was found at the Harris home and was labelled as such but you know it has been well over a year since I went over the evidence so I get things wrong all the time

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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Fri Oct 27, 2017 3:26 pm

When did they release Radioactive Clothing, Hitmen for Hire, Car Wax and Rampart Range.

Not sure the validity of this there is a site with a VERY brief transcript of the Basement Tapes




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This tape contains footage possibly filmed for school by Dylan and Eric. Both boys are seen in the footage, along with two other people identified as Tex and Browsky
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That's Radioactive Clothing.

So did they include this as the "Basement Tapes" or were those JUST Eric and Dylan at Erics house and also the one at Dylan's

The houses must have been huge or the boys were quiet because when I had sleepover my parents heard EVERYTHING. We were loud though, I'm still pretty loud... Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:30 am

Am I to believe the FBI was involved in this investigation? If so would they not have a copy in some File 13?
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:43 am

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Am I to believe the FBI was involved in this investigation? If so would they not have a copy in some File 13?

They were involved and I am sure they have/had a copy

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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:14 am

Well Jeffco did digitise them. I find it hard to believe that they and/or the FBI destroyed all copies of them.
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:29 am

I don't believe in that as well. Columbine is a huge case in crimes history.

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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:50 am

it's a piece of evidence, they can't destroy it complaint Cuckoo ding ding ding

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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:53 pm

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Well Jeffco did digitise them.  I find it hard to believe that they and/or the FBI destroyed all copies of them.



Agreed! I still have hopes of the tapes being eventually released or leaked one day. I mean for the love of all things holy, we are coming up on 19 years! The reasoning behind keeping them from the public in the first place was because they were afraid of copycats, which is kinda pointless now.

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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:37 pm

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The reasoning behind keeping them from the public in the first place was because they were afraid of copycats, which is kinda pointless now.

Yeah, Cho, Lanza, Atchison, and literal dozens of others have proven that copycats didn't really care if TBT were released or not.

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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:23 pm

JeffCo is really shady. Don't trust them.
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:24 pm

And if they were destroyed, then f*ck JeffCo.
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:55 pm

eldigato wrote:
And if they were destroyed, then f*ck JeffCo.


My exact thoughts on Jeffco as well! Twisted Evil Haha

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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:33 am

Cullen does say in his book that when all the evidence was progressively being released that a federal judge ordered Jeffco to hand over its key evidence including the Basement Tapes so they could be secured in a federal courthouse. Maybe they're still there?
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PostSubject: Re: Basement Tapes Destroyed   Mon May 07, 2018 9:18 am




CVA's new youtube vid on this topic for those who haven't already seen it.

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