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PostSubject: What would they blame in your case?   Wed Jun 03, 2015 4:39 am

Imagine you die as a shooter (or are framed for a shooting if you are more comfortable with this variant). Then the media go through all your personal belongings, writings, hard drives, check all your online activity. Then someone like Reed Coleman comes along and posts it all on his blog for the whole world to see.

So, what would people blame for the shooting in your case? What would the media frenzy be all about? Music? Videogames? Parents? Religion? Mental issues? Bullying? Isolation? Unhealthy interests? Gun fetish? Hate for some group of people? Politics? some specific song, band, book you had? Perhaps just your looks of ethnic background?

Tell us all about it! Use your imagination and knowledge of how media react in previous cases.



Well, here's a thread I made on the old forums that was very popular back in the day. Decided to ressurect (thread necromancy) it here to see how it goes.

It is a bit of an experiment that started in my head after reading what the media blamed after Columbine, Red Lake, V-Tech. M impression was taht often random "everyday" stuff is being blamed and that entirely normal non-violent people have things that would "in hindsight" make it "obvious" that they were dangerous.
So decided to present this to the forum members, all regular non-violent people and see if this is indeed the case.

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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:11 am

I'm fairly certain we'd all get pegged as Columbine obsessed weirdos once they checked out internet history.

I'll have a think about this and post a more detailed reply after work.
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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Thu Jun 04, 2015 3:54 am

Hmm...Wow this is kind of a hard topic to think about.

If I ended up as a school shooter...Well things they would find in my room:
-A truck full a junk from high school (notes from my ex-boyfriends and my best friend)
-A bunch of religious art (Even though I'm agnostic)
-I have a few paintings that my friends made for me
-I have prints of various paintings on my walls (ex: The Lady of Shalott By: William Holman Hunt)
-I have a Notorious BIG 'Ready to Die' poster on my door
-I have a flyer for a King Khan and The Shrines concert in my closet

Things I think they would target out of my possessions:

Books-
   'Give a Boy a Gun' By Todd Strasser
   'School Shooters: Understanding High School, College, and Adult Perpetrators' By: Peter Langman
   'Columbine: A True Crime Story' By: Jeff Krass
   'No Easy Answers' By: Brooks Brown and Rob Merritt
   'The Necronomicion'

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Zero Day
Duck! The Carbine High Massacre


It would be kind of scary to think of people going through my journals. Or my journals being made public for anyone to read online.
My journals are very private. Also I'm not sure anyone else would understand my journals. It's not your typical "Dear, Diary" type of
journal. I don't often write about what's going on in my day to day life. I write about the past. I write about people I know or knew.
I write about ideas and topics that I can't discuss in normal everyday conversation. A great example of this is Columbine. I've most
definitely written about Eric and Dylan in my journal. I'm sure the media would eat that shit up. I can imagine people spending hours
researching and reading my journals looking for some deep meaning. Kind of makes me laugh, because I only write when I'm either
really sad, really angry , really intoxicated, or a combination of the three. So who ever was reading it wouldn't get a full picture of me
as I really was. When I go back and read my entries over again, I seem like a really dark and depressed person. And maybe I am.
However, I have my good moments and my journal doesn't really capture this. I use my journal as a way to kind of release those
demons I suppose.

Ugh I feel like I might come up with more to say but this is kind of a hard topic for this early in the morning ........*falls asleep*

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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:56 am

Most likely membership and participation in this forum would be the number 1 thing! Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:45 pm

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I have a Notorious BIG 'Ready to Die' poster on my door

That album is sooo good! I have 2Pac records on my wall, so I can relate.

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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:53 pm

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I have a Notorious BIG 'Ready to Die' poster on my door

That album is sooo good! I have 2Pac records on my wall, so I can relate.


HELL YEAH! I love Biggie and 2Pac!

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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Fri Jun 05, 2015 3:06 am

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I have a Notorious BIG 'Ready to Die' poster on my door

That album is sooo good! I have 2Pac records on my wall, so I can relate.


HELL YEAH! I love Biggie and 2Pac!

I'm glad I'm not the only one on here!

*Gives high five through the realms of the internet*

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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:41 am

Well, my own case:

- First and foremost being a SILKRAT member. This alone would cause some massive wave of outrage and hysteria. I imagine other SILKRAT members would find themselves under a media hellfire much larger than that Nate Dykemannn or Chris Morris experienced. Certainly this would be the major exposue generator. Reactions like "God that was a warning sign! Who let these people upload such a movie to youtube!? Who let it be filmed in the first place!?" would probably abound.

- As a followup to the above, SILKRAT's links with Reed Coleman and Adam Lanza being interested in our movies, him commenting on the youtube channel. I'm sure there would be speculation if i had any personal contact with Lanza (I did not btw).

- Being a member of this forum.

- Links with Amanda Stair and John Savage (that would freak people out for sure).

- Having columbine-related documents (11k and whatnot) on my HDD.

- Having Rammstein and KMFDM music. Wonder if my other music I ahve would be seen as suspicious (Edge of Daw, Chaism, Michael G.Breece, Tomahawk, Ataxia, Kat Ulver etc)

- Fuse I have laying around (leftover movie-making stuff).

- "WRATH" T-shirt.

- I do not play much in the way of FPPS games nowadays, but I did play some STALKER and L4D back in the day. I also have counterstrike on my steam (never played it, got it with some bundle pack). Not sure if anyone would see palying "Prison Architect" as a warning sign, but its possible.

- Some posts on mental health forums, history-related forums and anthropology-related forums.

- Posts stating that I have flat affect (true), some self-reference posts regarding manipulative behavor and duping delight.

- Probably some activity when it comes to gun-related channels on youtube (mostly looking for research stuff related to Columbine, V-Tech and Sandy Hook).

- Having books concerned with the history of warfare and psychopathology. Guess its too brainy for media to pick up, but hey perhaps some nut would go over the "confiscated items" police list and pick this up.

- Making this thread ("Oh it was such a huge warning sign in hindsight!" sort of reactions).

- Kind of a local thing, but I'm sure local political parties would simply comb through alol my posts and facebook stuff lookign for evidence I was a supporter of the other side. This has happened in Poland before with criminals and at least one political-oriented spree killer.
Politicians in poland are always lookign for political ammo to sue against their opponents. ("XYZ party is evil because Sabratha supported them!" type of reactions).

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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:07 am

What are your links with John Savage?
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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Fri Jun 05, 2015 3:40 pm

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- Making this thread ("Oh it was such a huge warning sign in hindsight!" sort of reactions).

Everyone keep an eye on [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]... Laughing hehe

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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Fri Jun 05, 2015 3:46 pm

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I have a Notorious BIG 'Ready to Die' poster on my door

That album is sooo good! I have 2Pac records on my wall, so I can relate.


HELL YEAH! I love Biggie and 2Pac!

I'm glad I'm not the only one on here!

*Gives high five through the realms of the internet*

cheers cheers cheers cheers

"But we ain't singing, We bringing drama
fuck you and your mother fucking mama.
We're gonna kill all you mother fuckers."

I don't know why but this verse always makes me think of E/D

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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:05 pm

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What are your links with John Savage?

Both him and Amanda through the old Danny Ledonne forums.

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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:23 pm

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cheers  cheers  cheers  cheers
"But we ain't singing, We bringing drama
fuck you and your mother fucking mama.
We're gonna kill all you mother fuckers."

I don't know why but this verse always makes me think of E/D

Dylan put some Hit Em Up lyrics in his journal. That line does remind me of them though. Although this is a bit off topic for this thread/

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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:38 pm

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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:56 pm

Isolation/anxiety-
This is probably what they would point to first. I'm going into my senior year of high school next year, and I have talked to maybe 2 people in the school during all the time I've been here. I avoid group projects like the plague, and I hide outside of the cafeteria during lunch. My anxiety got so bad during my sophomore year that I had to enroll in an alternate school. Also, Summer just started and I don't plan on leaving the house until school starts again.

Internet history-
Being a member of this site. Being a member of a social anxiety support forum.

Books-
"No Easy Answers" by Brooks Brown. In my opinion, it is the best book about Columbine.
"House of Leaves". This is unrelated to Columbine. It is just a great horror novel.

Video games-
Halo.
LoL.
Portal 1&2.

The games I like aren't very violent, so the news media couldn't blame it on them or say I was "training" with them. I know they sure would love to though. This thread is reminding me of how much I hate the news. They're always blowing everything out of proportion and fear mongering.

Also, Sabratha, what is SILKRAT and what movies are you talking about?


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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:33 am

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Weed.

cheers bahaha me too

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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:35 am

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Isolation/anxiety-

"House of Leaves". This is unrelated to Columbine. It is just a great horror novel.

I own a copy of this too. I love that book

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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Sun Jun 07, 2015 5:09 am

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Isolation/anxiety-

"House of Leaves". This is unrelated to Columbine. It is just a great horror novel.

I own a copy of this too. I love that book

Yeah, it is one of my favorite books. I think more people should read it.
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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:06 am

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- Making this thread ("Oh it was such a huge warning sign in hindsight!" sort of reactions).

Everyone keep an eye on [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]... Laughing hehe

Well, I just realized I made this same thread back on the old forums and I guess Adam Lanza for example never replied to it. So maybe its not a warning sign, but the contrary?Having the self-distance enough to reply.

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Also, Sabratha, what is SILKRAT and what movies are you talking about?

Its a local movie-making student group back from my university days. We made a feature film called "Bullet Time" about a fictional (but loosely based on columbine) spree shooting. The best comparison would be to say that its a bit like the movie "Zero day". It was a student production and SILKRAT made it available publically on youtube with english subtitles, check the link in my signature.

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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Sat Jun 13, 2015 1:06 am

My parents, split up family, my older sister dying, columbine, anxiety,  curiosity for murders. Being a loner, trouble socializing, my internet history, this site.  And that I been  hiding from every person I have known in the last years of my life.


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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:41 pm

I think people would pin it on obsession with other shooters and serial killers, mainly due to being a member of this forum, my tumblr, books that I own, and my internet history - I have a particular interest with Adam Lanza and the Sandy Hook shooting. I guess some of my other general interests are also a bit abnormal and I suppose violent and negative music that I listen to would be considered, though this is hardly a good enough motive for anything.

I found this thread very interesting, especially to read further into the interests of other forum members - which are surprisingly similar to my own, especially music like by biggie and 2pac.

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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:55 pm

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I found this thread very interesting, especially to read more into the interests/likes/hobbies of other forum members - which are surprisingly similar to my own, especially music like by biggie and 2pac.

Gotta love the classics, man Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:57 pm

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I found this thread very interesting, especially to read more into the interests/likes/hobbies of other forum members - which are surprisingly similar to my own, especially music like by biggie and 2pac.

Gotta love the classics, man Very Happy

I'm right with you on that one, music is becoming so generic these days.

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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:28 pm

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Isolation/anxiety-
This is probably what they would point to first. I'm going into my senior year of high school next year, and I have talked to maybe 2 people in the school during all the time I've been here. I avoid group projects like the plague, and I hide outside of the cafeteria during lunch. My anxiety got so bad during my sophomore year that I had to enroll in an alternate school. Also, Summer just started and I don't plan on leaving the house until school starts again.

Internet history-
Being a member of this site. Being a member of a social anxiety support forum.

Books-
"No Easy Answers" by Brooks Brown. In my opinion, it is the best book about Columbine.
"House of Leaves". This is unrelated to Columbine. It is just a great horror novel.

Video games-
Halo.
LoL.
Portal 1&2.

The games I like aren't very violent, so the news media couldn't blame it on them or say I was "training" with them. I know they sure would love to though. This thread is reminding me of how much I hate the news. They're always blowing everything out of proportion and fear mongering.

Also, Sabratha, what is SILKRAT and what movies are you talking about?

Boringguy you sound so much like me!!! drunken
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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:19 am

Well if they were to search my house the interesting things they would find would be:

The 11k+heaps of other Columbine related stuff on various media devices.
A bunch of communist/socialist related items such as a poster, badges, shirts.
All my rap records which people would consider violent.
Bunches of books on WW2 and Guns.
A U.S police officer's hat.

In my basement would be the most interesting though:

2 air-soft guns and an air rifle.
A makeshift air rifle range with targets and pellets everywhere.
Realistic fake wooden guns all over the place.
Hundreds of spent bullet casings that I have collected over the years for movie props and such.

First thing I would never in a million years ever try to even kill someone so I don't really have any reason to be blamed. Being an only child I spent much of my childhood creating worlds and stories and often acting them out in real life (only child's would know what I am talking about). One of the main things I liked to act out were crime scenes, I would make a fake crime scene and shoot at cardboard and then conduct a huge ballistics tests, evidence in general etc. I was a weird child. So first thing they would probably think is that I was insane or something, with a large interest in crimes/shootings.


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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:28 am

In my case, I think they'd blame owning this board as a reason why I'd commit a massacre. They'd say I was so obsessed with Columbine that I had a forum about it and sat around talking about it all of the time. They'd probably think I thought of Dylan and Eric as heroes or Gods and wanted to finish what they started or something like that.

I also have several drawings I made and drawings other people made for me when I was trying to figure out the cafeteria time bombs. I also have enlarged photos of the suicide photos from when I was studying them to try and figure out/understand what happened when they committed suicides. I also have a Columbine Facebook page with tons of videos, photos, diagrams about Columbine.

I think they'd blame it on all of that.

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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:24 pm

For me,
-All the violent video games i play (Grand theft auto, Left 4 dead, Call of duty, Battlefield)
-The fact that i have a book on making knives.
-The large number of complete rap albums and discography on my computer. (Shout out to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.])
-The fact that i have looked up where to shoot someone to kill them.
-The fact that i have looked up how to obtain high body count in mass shootings.
-The SSRI I'm taking currently and my other medicines.
-My aspergers, Adhd, And severe clinical depression diagnosis.
-Me being a member of this board and being obsessed with mass shooting and columbine.
-Me praising Eric and Dylan and saying rest in peace on my facebook page.
-My number of anti christianity posts on my facebook page.
-My obsession with guns and gun control and the fact that I go to the shooting range. (I'm going again tomorrow!!!!)
-The fact that a simple look through my search history would show soooo many dark and violent songs and videos about guns.
-Them seeing the stories and hate letters i have written which go into great detail about my depression.
-The fact that I'm gonna dress up as Dylan Klebold for halloween.
-The fact that I have made several jokes about horrid things and seem to agree with the columbine shooters in many ways.
-The fact that I'm learning how to create pipe bombs.
-The fact that I am quite interested in hitler and the nazi's.
-And finally, The internet, Because that is where most if not ALL of my emotional trauma and depression stems from.
I'll think of more later, Thank you and good day.
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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:17 am

Special thanks to Browneyes for pointing this out, But No, I am NOT the next Adam Lanza XD
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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:15 pm

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Special thanks to Browneyes for pointing this out, But No, I am NOT the next Adam Lanza XD


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PostSubject: Re: What would they blame in your case?   Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:28 pm

The fact that i have the song 'Hit em up' On my Iphone would also probably count for something too. Lol.
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