Columbine High School Massacre Discussion Forum

A place to discuss the Columbine High School Massacre along with other school shootings and crimes.
Anyone interested in researching, learning, discussing and debating with us, please come join our community!
 
HomeHome  PortalPortal  CalendarCalendar  FAQFAQ  SearchSearch  MemberlistMemberlist  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  
Share | 
 

 Elliot Rodger

View previous topic View next topic Go down 
AuthorMessage
browneyes11

avatar

Posts : 333
Join date : 2015-02-19
Location : Off having fun somewhere

PostSubject: Elliot Rodger   Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:23 pm

I'm sure you guys have heard about Elliot Rodger (The Killer Virgin). He was responsible for the Isla Vista killings back last May.
He made several youtube videos prior to his attack and he claimed that rejection from girls was the cause of his rampage.
I remember when this happened wondering why girls didn't go for him. Yes, he was pretty clearly a strange guy but he wasn't
ugly and he came from a well off family, you would think that some where along the line some girl would have liked him

I was just watching one of his videos and this thought occurred to me: Perhaps, girls didn't go after him because they thought he was gay?

Maybe I'm way off but just check out this video and maybe you'll see where I'm coming from.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

_________________
-I am the shadow that ceases to be understood.
I scream for darkness, I am the light.
I yearn for passion and for the forever word “immortality”.
To experience life after death, in solitude, in compassion, in love.-
Back to top Go down
View user profile
tfsa47090
Moderator & Top 10 Contributor


Posts : 924
Join date : 2013-03-18

PostSubject: Re: Elliot Rodger   Tue Jun 16, 2015 6:06 pm

This has been discussed both [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] as well.
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Sickfetus

avatar

Posts : 21
Join date : 2015-05-29

PostSubject: Re: Elliot Rodger   Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:49 am

What a coincidence today I spend most of the time in class reading and watching his videos. And yeah I thought about him being gay. I don't think girls didn't go after him at all. Maybe he was too picky. That's a lame as excuse I don't know
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Sabratha

avatar

Posts : 1100
Join date : 2015-03-31
Location : Central Mazovian Plains

PostSubject: Re: Elliot Rodger   Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:35 am

Guess he probably lacked in social skills and/or wascreepy or just had a nasty personality and failed to hide that.

I mena a guy goes on a rampage because women weren't into him as much as they should in his opinion. If that was his altitude twoards women when he was still alive, no wonder he was single.

Just my 0.02 USD. I'm not a big fan of people who live with a sense of entitlement like that.

_________________
"Bullet Time" - a school shooting film from Poland
Back to top Go down
View user profile
boringguy

avatar

Posts : 123
Join date : 2015-05-21
Age : 19
Location : USA

PostSubject: Re: Elliot Rodger   Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:02 am

Girls don't usually go after guys. Guys are expected to approach girls. I'm guessing Elliot wasn't confident enough to do that. And after watching his videos, I wouldn't be surprised if people thought he was weird/creepy.

I agree, Sabratha. In his videos he talked like he thought he was a god. He acted like he thought he was perfect and was going to punish women for not recognizing that. He didn't want to take the blame for his failure with women.
Back to top Go down
View user profile
browneyes11

avatar

Posts : 333
Join date : 2015-02-19
Location : Off having fun somewhere

PostSubject: Re: Elliot Rodger   Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:01 pm

"The Supreme Gentleman" Rolling Eyes

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

this video shouldn't make me laugh but it does...what is wrong with me?

_________________
-I am the shadow that ceases to be understood.
I scream for darkness, I am the light.
I yearn for passion and for the forever word “immortality”.
To experience life after death, in solitude, in compassion, in love.-
Back to top Go down
View user profile
LPorter101

avatar

Posts : 1892
Join date : 2013-12-01

PostSubject: Re: Elliot Rodger   Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:48 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
"The Supreme Gentleman"  Rolling Eyes

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

this video shouldn't make me laugh but it does...what is wrong with me?

All of his videos make me laugh ... the guy had his head so far up his ass that he was coughing up dandruff.
Back to top Go down
View user profile
boringguy

avatar

Posts : 123
Join date : 2015-05-21
Age : 19
Location : USA

PostSubject: Re: Elliot Rodger   Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:56 pm

Maybe Dylan shoved it up there. But seriously, that guy was a tool.



Last edited by boringguy on Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:08 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Sabratha

avatar

Posts : 1100
Join date : 2015-03-31
Location : Central Mazovian Plains

PostSubject: Re: Elliot Rodger   Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:11 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
"The Supreme Gentleman"  Rolling Eyes

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

this video shouldn't make me laugh but it does...what is wrong with me?

Wel, seems to have been a narcissist by any standard, common sense of the word as well as psychiatric. I'm watching this and I needed to check because my first reaction was: "Is this guy even real? Maybe he'sjust a product of 4chan. Maybe its one big online troll joke?!" Suspect

_________________
"Bullet Time" - a school shooting film from Poland
Back to top Go down
View user profile
James411



Posts : 170
Join date : 2015-06-19

PostSubject: Re: Elliot Rodger   Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:59 pm

I do not feel Elliot Rodger was homo sexual of course only those who knew him personally can say.

I have analyzed his "My Twisted World " closely.

To me he was a bit narcissistic and obsessed with his status he wanted a tall blond girl friend I think partly to achieve sexual pleasure but also a to increase his prestige.

I feel his desire for social status was stronger than any sexual need.

He wanted to have all the good things in life a mansion, fast cars, attractive women or (boys) or whatever the hell he was into,

he felt being a descendant of British nobility these things are his by right, the world owned him these things simply because of his own perceived greatness.

To him working as a custodian or any other medial job was beneath him as he says in his manifesto he would rather be dead than work at a menial job (or something to that effect).

I think a big problem with Elliot was also jealousy and envy and this envy is in my opinion the source of belief that he ought to have all the good things in life and his envy is in my opinion the main source of his murderous rage.

See Elliot grew up in a wealthy family but his parent divorced and his mother apparently only made 40,000 a year and his Papa lived with another woman.

He went to school with upper class kids and these kids saw that Elliot mom did not live in a nice neighborhood. So Elliot wanted to prove to them he is upper, he is as good as they are despite being half Asian.

Elliot saw that other men his age were able to have sex at age 14 or 15 and they were blessed with height social skills and good looks all the thing he felt he lacked.

And he I guess despite being a narcissist was nervous around women and felt like they rejected him because they never talked to him and he always saw them with other men.

Elliot was probably like "If other men can get have sex and nice life why cant I why must I live as a virgin, why is life so unjust"

He probably felt he was going to die a virgin anyway and never pass on his genes and his life would be a failure, he says this in the manifesto.

Then his ultimate argument is this in my opinion "If I cannot have what I want I will destroy it".

He was probably suffering from a lot of sexual frustration as well I think every man who in 20's and virgin.

Another problem Elliot seemed to have was social anxiety he seemed unable to speak to women as if frozen by fear, he probably felt "why should I talk to women, I am an aristocrat they should talk to me" or he did not know what to say I mean you cannot go up to a girl you like and be "hello can I have sex with you?" sadly.


Overall Elliot should have probably hired a prostitute , he said "what is the point of paying for something other men can get for free", I say why not, I mean he had saved 5,000 dollars you can afford that service for a fraction of the amount.
Back to top Go down
View user profile
afrrs

avatar

Posts : 135
Join date : 2015-08-08
Age : 32
Location : Portugal

PostSubject: Re: Elliot Rodger   Sun Aug 09, 2015 4:52 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
I do not feel Elliot Rodger was homo sexual of course only those who knew him personally can say.

I have analyzed his "My Twisted World " closely.

To me he was a bit narcissistic and obsessed with his status he wanted a tall blond girl friend I think partly to achieve sexual pleasure but also a to increase his prestige.

I feel his desire for social status was stronger than any sexual need.

He wanted to have all the good things in life a mansion, fast cars, attractive women or (boys) or whatever the hell he was into,

he felt being a descendant of British nobility these things are his by right, the world owned him these things simply because of his own perceived greatness.

To him working as a custodian or any other medial job was beneath him as he says in his manifesto he would rather be dead than work at a menial job (or something to that effect).

I think a big problem with Elliot was also jealousy and envy and this envy is in my opinion the source of belief that he ought to have all the good things in life and his envy is in my opinion the main source of his murderous rage.

See Elliot grew up in a wealthy family but his parent divorced and his mother apparently only made 40,000 a year and his Papa lived with another woman.

He went to school with upper class kids and these kids saw that Elliot mom did not live in a nice neighborhood. So Elliot wanted to prove to them he is upper, he is as good as they are despite being half Asian.

Elliot saw that other men his age were able to have sex at age 14 or 15 and they were blessed with height social skills and good looks all the thing he felt he lacked.

And he I guess despite being a narcissist was nervous around women and felt like they rejected him because they never talked to him and he always saw them with other men.

Elliot was probably like "If other men can get have sex and nice life why cant I why must I live as a virgin, why is life so unjust"

He probably felt he was going to die a virgin anyway and never pass on his genes and his life would be a failure, he says this in the manifesto.

Then his ultimate argument is this in my opinion "If I cannot have what I want I will destroy it".

He was probably suffering from a lot of sexual frustration as well I think every man who in 20's and virgin.

Another problem Elliot seemed to have was social anxiety he seemed unable to speak to women as if frozen by fear, he probably felt "why should I talk to women, I am an aristocrat they should talk to me" or he did not know what to say I mean you cannot go up to a girl you like and be "hello can I have sex with you?" sadly.


Overall Elliot should have probably hired a prostitute , he said "what is the point of paying for something other men can get for free", I say why not, I mean he had saved 5,000 dollars you can afford that service for a fraction of the amount.

a very good insight on him . ive read large parts of his manifesto as well .

yes , to the last part , lol , i was thinking that as well , instead of being sexually fustrated ( which causes anxiety and other similar symptoms on the body ) why not waste some money on a weekend , hire an escort and get it over with .

so , the bottom line for me is , the guy didnt want to give his virginity to a escort because he thaught he was too good for that ( being white and belonging to an aristocrat family)  .

He thaught he was superior to everybody else or / and tried to be , but im my opinion , he wasnt and never would be .
Back to top Go down
View user profile
eli27

avatar

Posts : 814
Join date : 2015-05-15
Location : England

PostSubject: Re: Elliot Rodger   Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:18 pm

he seems like a right asshole to me

_________________
I had it all and I looked at it and I said 'this is a bigger jail than I just got out of'.
Back to top Go down
View user profile
afrrs

avatar

Posts : 135
Join date : 2015-08-08
Age : 32
Location : Portugal

PostSubject: Re: Elliot Rodger   Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:36 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
he seems like a right asshole to me
y , thats what he was , lamme , and he was a puritan ( didnt do drugs ) . But he was on medication , right?
Back to top Go down
View user profile
PaintItBlack
Top 10 Contributor
avatar

Posts : 1742
Join date : 2014-02-11
Age : 31

PostSubject: Re: Elliot Rodger   Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:31 am

I don't know much about this guy but I must admit that I feel sorry for him.
I feel sorry for anyone who gets to the point where they feel this is the way out.
Back to top Go down
View user profile
aubre



Posts : 188
Join date : 2015-06-04
Age : 34
Location : Illinois

PostSubject: Re: Elliot Rodger   Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:46 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
he seems like a right asshole to me

I'm gonna have to go with you on this one.
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Dataverse



Posts : 48
Join date : 2015-06-23
Age : 20

PostSubject: Re: Elliot Rodger   Mon Aug 10, 2015 4:27 am

What shocked me when I read Elliot Rodger's "My Twisted World" manifesto, was how similar he is to me. As far as interpersonal relationships with women, I am in the exact same category, and it truly sucks feeling like no girl would ever want to spend time with you. I even harbored some of the same thoughts of "women not giving me a chance" as Elliot before the Isla Vista killings even existed. I sort of felt relieved knowing that I am not the only one...

Weather Elliot found other types of girls attractive or not remains inconclusive. Based on what we know, he seemed to be specifically attracted to tall, thin, white, blonde chicks, the superstar models that appear on the front of popular magazines. I guess if Mr. Rodger had a wider variety for different types of girls (hair, race, size, age, etc.), maybe he would have found a partner more suited to him? I dunno. When I see Elliot I personally don't imagine him having a Kristen Bell look-a-like for a girlfriend...

He should have just waited a bit longer, I am certain that there was a woman (women, even!) for him.
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Dataverse



Posts : 48
Join date : 2015-06-23
Age : 20

PostSubject: Re: Elliot Rodger   Mon Aug 10, 2015 4:49 am

Another thing I might as well point out would be the following question:

"If Elliot Rodger DID get a chance to be with the girl of his dreams, how would it have unfolded?"

Here are some circumstances I believe may have arisen if a girl was to begin a relationship with Elliot Rodger (referred to as "ER" hereinafter):

* The girl wouldn't be allowed to leave ER's sight, out of fear that she may be interested in another man, which would subsequently anger ER.

* She would be forced to engage in sexual courtship whenever ER felt the desire to do so.

* If she was caught cheating and/or dumped ER, he would have likely inflicted emotional/physical harm on her and/or himself.

* She would not be allowed to dye her hair a different color other than blonde. ER may dismiss an alternate hair color as "unattractive" to him.

* She would be forced to maintain a small weight. Much in the same circumstances as hair color, ER would likely dismiss his partner's weight gain as "unworthy" for him.

* Her online activities would be under heavy surveillance, thus meaning her technology use would be limited/restricted in accordance to ER's toleration.

* She would be restricted on what she can/cannot discuss with ER. Example: Conversations involving past relationships and such may spark anger in ER.

And the list goes on... Feel free to add more if you want.

Maybe it was a "good thing" that ER never had contact with a girl.  Shocked
Back to top Go down
View user profile
eli27

avatar

Posts : 814
Join date : 2015-05-15
Location : England

PostSubject: Re: Elliot Rodger   Mon Aug 10, 2015 4:54 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
Another thing I might as well point out would be the following question:

"If Elliot Rodger DID get a chance to be with the girl of his dreams, how would it have unfolded?"

Here are some circumstances I believe may have arisen if a girl was to begin a relationship with Elliot Rodger (referred to as "ER" hereinafter):

* The girl wouldn't be allowed to leave ER's sight, out of fear that she may be interested in another man, which would subsequently anger ER.

* She would be forced to engage in sexual courtship whenever ER felt the desire to do so.

* If she was caught cheating and/or dumped ER, he would have likely inflicted emotional/physical harm on her and/or himself.

* She would not be allowed to dye her hair a different color other than blonde. ER may dismiss an alternate hair color as "unattractive" to him.

* She would be forced to maintain a small weight. Much in the same circumstances as hair color, ER would likely dismiss his partner's weight gain as "unworthy" for him.

* Her online activities would be under heavy surveillance, thus meaning her technology use would be limited/restricted in accordance to ER's toleration.

* She would be restricted on what she can/cannot discuss with ER. Example: Conversations involving past relationships and such may spark anger in ER.


I agree. From his videos, I can see he has a very elated sense of self, and he obviously thinks he deserves nothing but the best, and exactly what he wants. He thinks he is the 'perfect gentleman', but then goes on a killing spree over not getting any!? That right there proves that he wouldn't think he was wrong to do any of the things you mentioned above.

_________________
I had it all and I looked at it and I said 'this is a bigger jail than I just got out of'.
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Draw_It_White
Top 10 Contributor
avatar

Posts : 1023
Join date : 2014-01-27
Age : 32
Location : England

PostSubject: Re: Elliot Rodger   Mon Aug 10, 2015 4:38 pm

Hi, Radioactive_Clothing here...

I think Elliot Rodger must have come across as one creepy fucker when talking to women. As he himself states, he was a decent looking fella, had a nice car etc. To not get a sniff when he appeared to be the perfect gentleman must give an indication of how his personality came across to those he met.
Back to top Go down
View user profile
James411



Posts : 170
Join date : 2015-06-19

PostSubject: Re: Elliot Rodger   Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:09 pm



It seems through he gave up on girls liking him as the last two pages of his manifesto show, most of the manifesto is really an autobiography only the last two pages really show how he would have liked society to be.


Towards the end of his life through he wanted to create an all male society masculine society by placing women in an underground prison.

He started blaming women for all the poverty in the world saying that they reproduce with the most foul men even when they cannot afford it and thus degenerate the human race by creating poverty.

He believed that an all male society would be better because men would not need to be slaves to sexual desire instead they can work to advance science.



Back to top Go down
View user profile
eli27

avatar

Posts : 814
Join date : 2015-05-15
Location : England

PostSubject: Re: Elliot Rodger   Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:00 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:



He started blaming women for all the poverty in the world saying that they reproduce with the most foul men even when they cannot afford it and thus degenerate the human race by creating poverty.

He believed that an all male society would be better because men would not need to be slaves to sexual desire instead they can work to advance science.




maybe he really was gay

_________________
I had it all and I looked at it and I said 'this is a bigger jail than I just got out of'.
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Nightshiftstalker

avatar

Posts : 100
Join date : 2015-04-06
Age : 28
Location : Germany

PostSubject: Re: Elliot Rodger   Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:11 pm

@ eli27:

what do you mean by saying "maybe he was really gay"?

actually - sorry, if I may say so - there is no accurate definition of being gay, actuaylly.
alrighty - let me get this straight, hmkay?
there are boys, teens, young adults (people might prefer the term "adolescents" referrin' to erik hamburger Eriksson, who has moved from Germany to the US during WWII to search for kinda exil, if im not wrong - there are times nowadays -uhm - I don't know) feeling some kind of "phase" like going through the process of initiation or just pubertaet like makin' Discovery Channel - don't they? ;D

other people - even the girl next door tryin' to impress your neighbor while posing like in "love - actually" and losing almost everything, but their lives like camdens' mary known from their famous serious series "7 th Heaven" - I only refer to their 90s and 2000s role playing - not to latest news from guardian.co.uk/ or newyorktimes.com - okay.(?)

just sayin...
however - I do not understand people makin' prayers while declaring "Sinner you know, you're bound to die", "This Ol'Hammer killed John Henry - but this Ol' Hammer won't kill me." OH YEAH.

BIG BLAH for the fail - big win for their jail - just like going to psychiatry once and feelin' sick and disturbed for good.
actually - a m*****faker-kind-of-humanoid-fetus comes out of some souls - the others do froze.

anyways - sorry for pleading off topically - just goin' nutz while reading the info and re-newin' my own lists - while askin' my homies - yo.

greetz and have a nice day, eli27.

Nevermind and greetz
Nightshiftstalker

_________________
"Die Wand bleibt Beton, betrachtet bei Vollgas - sechs Kugeln haben im Kolt Platz."

(Unser Platz, Prinz Pi, Kompass ohne Norden)
Back to top Go down
View user profile
eli27

avatar

Posts : 814
Join date : 2015-05-15
Location : England

PostSubject: Re: Elliot Rodger   Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:10 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
@ eli27:

what do you mean by saying "maybe he was really gay"?

Nevermind and greetz
Nightshiftstalker

I was just joking cause he wanted to get rid of all women and just have a male society clown

_________________
I had it all and I looked at it and I said 'this is a bigger jail than I just got out of'.
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Violenta

avatar

Posts : 80
Join date : 2015-07-17
Location : Hell, 6th Level.

PostSubject: Re: Elliot Rodger   Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:39 pm

I think most women, including myself, have this sixth sense immediately after meeting a guy. You can call it "women's intuition " etc.

But to be completely forthcoming, he gave off not only an extremely effeminate vibe, but also acted extremely entitled to beautiful, blonde and "perfect" girls. Most women can pick up on odd social cues,just via a short conversation or observing how a guy acts, talks etc.

He wasn't bad looking, and I don't doubt a lot of potential dates thought he was probably gay. He could have easily dated more normal, average, but cute girls..but the guy had extremely deep set issues and unrealistic standards.

_________________
' THIS is what I am motivated for. THIS is my goal, THIS is what I want ‘to do with my life.’
Back to top Go down
View user profile
MysteryMan



Posts : 86
Join date : 2014-06-06

PostSubject: Re: Elliot Rodger   Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:53 am

Quote :
I think most women, including myself, have this sixth sense immediately after meeting a guy. You can call it "women's intuition " etc.
It isn't 'women's intuition' at all. Women are very skilled in 'reading' body language others people. It's a very useful skill.
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Violenta

avatar

Posts : 80
Join date : 2015-07-17
Location : Hell, 6th Level.

PostSubject: Re: Elliot Rodger   Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:15 pm

[/quote]
It isn't 'women's intuition' at all. Women are very skilled in 'reading' body language others people. It's a very useful skill.[/quote]

Sometimes, it goes beyond body language. I've definitely met interested guys that immediately put out "Danger!Run!" signals...Not necessarily from.body language, as most of the guys I'm referring to seemed to be TOO relaxed, overconfident etc.

The last one, come to find out, had been in prison for assault, and a charge of indecent liberties. Yes, body language can definitely show some abnormalities, but I'm referring to an inexplicable skin crawling, get away immediately sensation. Also, was using the women's intuition as a broad term, as I'm sure tons of guys meet women that set that inner alarm off as well.

Not all guys have perfect social skills, and that's not necessarily an indication of danger at all.
Back to top Go down
View user profile
 
Elliot Rodger
View previous topic View next topic Back to top 
Page 1 of 1
 Similar topics
-
» Surgeon Lieutenant-Colonel Russell Elliot Wood
» Hon. William Fitzwilliam Elliot.
» Red Fledigings
» HANSEN, Elliot Katherine "Ellie"
» Connaught Rangers

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
Columbine High School Massacre Discussion Forum :: Other Crimes :: Other Mass Shootings-
Jump to: