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PostSubject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider   Sat Jun 04, 2016 8:28 am

Just one thing I would add here. Isiah was NOT the only black stdent in the library that day. Now I am on my phone and am actually moving so I won't have computer access for a while so I cannot quote but in the 11k there was another black male in that library. Now iirc the other boy was near the back perhaps they did not see him but if it was race related at all I think he would have been killed too.

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PostSubject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider   Sat Jun 04, 2016 2:20 pm

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PostSubject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider   Sat Jun 04, 2016 7:42 pm

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Just one thing I would add here.  Isiah was NOT the only black stdent in the library that day.  Now I am on my phone and am actually moving so I won't have computer access for a while so I cannot quote but in the 11k there was another black male in that library.  Now iirc the other boy was near the back perhaps they did not see him but if it was race related at all I think he would have been killed too.

Yes, I'm aware that the massacre as a whole was obviously not racially-motivated. I'm also aware there was another black student in the library, but if I recall correctly, there was nothing in the 11k that mentioned if Dylan and Eric had even seen him. It's glaringly apparent that Eric and Dylan did hold racist views, as contradictory and flawed as their views were. Like I mentioned, it's also an undeniable fact that Isaiah in particular was targeted based on his skin color. I think you guys need to look up the definition of "racist" : "A person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races". I think it's safe to say that Eric and Dylan, despite hating humanity as a whole, held racist views, said multiple things of a racist nature (several accounts of this pre-massacre from different people), and chose to specifically single out Isaiah because he was black.
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PostSubject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider   Sat Jun 04, 2016 8:56 pm

they singled out Isaiah because he was black but they didn't kill him because he was black. I really don't know how else to make the sentence a point where it means two different things.
And, you can hold racist views, but you can also simply verbally voice out what one who holds racist views say but not be racist. You get it? I just strongly feel that these two teenage boys are not racist. I don't even think they know how to be racist right. They just echo what a white supremacist might say but they aren't living their lives or going to school going to places as actual racists. It doesn't matter what they have said or penned down. It's....sigh, it's like, when comedians do satire or openly make derogatory punchlines and jokes, KNOWING it is racist and that's where the shock-value is, something that is funny cause it's true, but it's not who they ARE.

Okay, do you have accounts of them being openly racist to people/classmates of colour and not want to speak to them or have contact with them? please debunk me. They had multi-racial classmates and they had been nothing but normal and friendly. Cause it's not who they are. They're literally contradictory or perhaps fake, in real life.

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PostSubject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider   Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:36 pm

Devon Adams said they got a lot of their racist language from Tarantino films.These films use quite a lot of it and the boys were at least somewhat influenced by them.

Terra Oglesbee who is black had a class with E &D and was friendly with them and said they treated her well.She had walked to the smoking pit with Eric and hung out with him there the week before 4/20.
Alex Marsh of the TCM is Hispanic and also said that E &D were nice to her and she would not have been friendly with them if they were racists.
Would truly racist people have done that? I don't know...It doesn't sound like the way true racists would act to me.


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“Eric and Dylan showed no signs of being racist. Before he started dressing that way [In black], Eric was not only normal-looking but rather attractive – “hot,” -Terra Oglesbee, who sat in front of Harris and next to Klebold





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Alexandra Marsh was a junior at Columbine High School at the time of the shooting.
She stated that she was a past member of the Trench Coat Mafia. Last year she was involved with the group and she still socialized with several of the kids involved with the group.
She characterized the group as wearing trench coats, using drugs and having short tempers that lead them into getting into fights. They were brought in an questioned whenever something happened. They had been brought in for questioning and accused of drinking in the parking lot last school year.
- Alex related that members of the group had talked about “blowing up the school” in the past, however, she was under the impression that none of them were serious about the threat. When asked about that, she related that it was mentioned that some said “would get guns and meet and blow up the school”
- She related that Dylan and Eric had access to guns. She also knew that the two had made bombs and had blown things up in a field.
- She stated she had worked with Dylan on the Fall play of “Frankenstein” that the school put on. She knew him by his first name but he probably didn’t know her first name. She stated she them mostly because her friends hung out with Dylan and Eric
- She stated she knew who Eric Harris was but recognized him more by his nickname of “REB”. She however didn’t hang out with them.
She usually saw both of them between her second and third period class. She said they would be together and enter the building near the library entrance and walked down the hall.
She stated that she had seen Dylan at the prom and she sat at the same table as he did. After the prom, Alex said that Dylan and Eric were smiling and having fun and gave no indication of their plans or problems they were having.
- Alex stated she heard that Dylan and Eric had gone “paint balling” and that they had exploded a bomb somewhere at sometime.
She said that sometimes they would get together with the group and talk about tactically how to blow up a room. She said they did it more in a jokingly manner. They even talked about how you would go about killing someone if you wanted. Again, she said that it was all in a jokingly manner.
- She stated that none of the group like jocks because they had a superior air about them She further explained that they all thought it was funny how jocks played a child’s game.
- She never heard any of the group say any racists slurs. Then she added, “And if I ever did…” and her eyes widened and she raised her eyebrows (She is Hispanic).



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PostSubject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider   Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:39 pm

I do not doubt that E &D made racist comments at times but how much of that came from real ingrained racism and how much of it was them trying to look badass or cool or whatever is the question.I personally believe it was mainly the latter.

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PostSubject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider   Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:40 pm

*Sigh* Eric repeatedly wrote in his journal how other races were inferior which alone is textbook definition of a racist thought process. I don't know of any instances of them treating people of color in a discriminatory way (aside from them singling out Isaiah to be shot because of the color of his skin), but racist people don't necessarily need to treat others in an outright discriminatory fashion to still hold racist views. I'm really not interested in discussing this further.
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PostSubject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider   Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:44 pm

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Devon Adams said they got a lot of their racist language from Tarantino films.These films use quite a lot of it and the boys were at least somewhat influenced by them.

Terra Oglesbee who is black had a class with E &D and was friendly with them and said they treated her well.She had walked to the smoking pit with Eric and hung out with him there the week before 4/20.
Alex Marsh of the TCM is Hispanic and also said that E &D were nice to her and she would not have been friendly with them if they were racists.
Would truly racist people have done that? I don't know...It doesn't sound like the way true racists would act to me.


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“Eric and Dylan showed no signs of being racist. Before he started dressing that way [In black], Eric was not only normal-looking but rather attractive – “hot,” -Terra Oglesbee, who sat in front of Harris and next to Klebold





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Alexandra Marsh was a junior at Columbine High School at the time of the shooting.
She stated that she was a past member of the Trench Coat Mafia. Last year she was involved with the group and she still socialized with several of the kids involved with the group.
She characterized the group as wearing trench coats, using drugs and having short tempers that lead them into getting into fights. They were brought in an questioned whenever something happened. They had been brought in for questioning and accused of drinking in the parking lot last school year.
- Alex related that members of the group had talked about “blowing up the school” in the past, however, she was under the impression that none of them were serious about the threat. When asked about that, she related that it was mentioned that some said “would get guns and meet and blow up the school”
- She related that Dylan and Eric had access to guns. She also knew that the two had made bombs and had blown things up in a field.
- She stated she had worked with Dylan on the Fall play of “Frankenstein” that the school put on. She knew him by his first name but he probably didn’t know her first name. She stated she them mostly because her friends hung out with Dylan and Eric
- She stated she knew who Eric Harris was but recognized him more by his nickname of “REB”. She however didn’t hang out with them.
She usually saw both of them between her second and third period class. She said they would be together and enter the building near the library entrance and walked down the hall.
She stated that she had seen Dylan at the prom and she sat at the same table as he did. After the prom, Alex said that Dylan and Eric were smiling and having fun and gave no indication of their plans or problems they were having.
- Alex stated she heard that Dylan and Eric had gone “paint balling” and that they had exploded a bomb somewhere at sometime.
She said that sometimes they would get together with the group and talk about tactically how to blow up a room. She said they did it more in a jokingly manner. They even talked about how you would go about killing someone if you wanted. Again, she said that it was all in a jokingly manner.
- She stated that none of the group like jocks because they had a superior air about them She further explained that they all thought it was funny how jocks played a child’s game.
- She never heard any of the group say any racists slurs. Then she added, “And if I ever did…” and her eyes widened and she raised her eyebrows (She is Hispanic).



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Ahh yes, the age old "I have a friend who is black, so I can't be racist!" argument Rolling Eyes


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PostSubject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider   Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:54 pm

I just thought it was was valid to post what some people who knew them and two of whom were of color said since they had dealings with them.Some people said they were racist, others said they weren't at all.


The only really racist person I know of now is the Nazi my friend is stuck with at this time and if a person of color ever came to his door he'd literally run them off and he certainly wouldn't be pleasant about it.

He works with a half black girl but of course he avoids her whenever possible and dislikes having to speak to her.
I am glad for her sake that she doesn't have to work around him much. But as I've said before this guy is an actual Nazi and very proud of it so maybe its different.

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PostSubject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider   Sun Jun 05, 2016 12:00 am

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The only  really racist person I know of now is the Nazi my friend is stuck with at this time and if a person of color ever came to his door he'd literally run them off and he certainly wouldn't be pleasant about it.

He works with a half black girl but of course he avoids her whenever possible and dislikes having to speak to her.
I am glad for her sake that she doesn't have to work around him much. But as I've said before this guy is an actual Nazi and very proud of it so maybe its different.

He sounds like a complete tool. Just so you know, though, racist people won't always display their racist views outright. An example of this being Dylann Roof who had an African American friend that he associated with fairly recently prior to the Charleston shooting. Many racist people aren't exactly known for their intelligence/logic.
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PostSubject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider   Sun Jun 05, 2016 12:26 am

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The only  really racist person I know of now is the Nazi my friend is stuck with at this time and if a person of color ever came to his door he'd literally run them off and he certainly wouldn't be pleasant about it.

He works with a half black girl but of course he avoids her whenever possible and dislikes having to speak to her.
I am glad for her sake that she doesn't have to work around him much. But as I've said before this guy is an actual Nazi and very proud of it so maybe its different.

He sounds like a complete tool. Just so you know, though, racist people won't always display their racist views outright. An example of this being Dylann Roof who had an African American friend that he associated with fairly recently prior to the Charleston shooting. Many racist people aren't exactly known for their intelligence/logic.


I know next to nothing about Dylann Roof so I cannot comment.I'm sure not everybody racist comes right out with it.
The best example of a racist person I can think of is hugely proud of it so that's why he get brought up by me when racism is discussed.

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PostSubject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider   Sun Jun 05, 2016 6:08 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] it don't matter if it's an age old argument that they have friends of Color. They treated them alright and they had no problems with Eric Nor Dylan at all. That's the part that matters. So what does that say? Hence I said they were either fake or they were not racists. They're verbally ignorant and have penned out or voice out ignorant thoughts but, i doubt it's really who they are.
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PostSubject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider   Sun Jun 05, 2016 9:01 pm


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PostSubject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider   Sun Jun 05, 2016 9:09 pm

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] it don't matter if it's an age old argument that they have friends of Color. They treated them alright and they had no problems with Eric Nor Dylan at all. That's the part that matters. So what does that say? Hence I said they were either fake or they were not racists. They're verbally ignorant and have penned out or voice out ignorant thoughts but, i doubt it's really who they are.
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Yeah, it's common knowledge they were ignorant idiots, but they were, by definition, racists (amongst many other nouns). As I keep saying, you can associate with people of other races whilst being a racist person who harbors racist views. Surely you don't think Dylann Roof is automatically exempt from being labelled as a racist because he had a black friend? Yes, Eric and Dylan despised humanity overall, but they made it clear they each held racially prejudiced views, too.
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PostSubject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider   Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:07 pm

I'm sorry.I just wanted badly to provide proof but I won't post a direct link again.

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PostSubject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider   Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:42 pm

Here is a story I have been told about Rocky. (This comes from someone who went to the school.)

Supposedly Rocky liked to push kids up the stairs, so that they would fall forward while ascending.

One day, he pushed a kid and said, "Wow, your boyfriend fucked you so hard last night that you can't even walk up the stairs."

Also, this person told me that Rocky and the other jocks loved to belittle other boys in front of girls, to make the boys look pathetic in the girls' eyes.

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PostSubject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider   Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:13 pm

What he said was all well and good, but why didn't he stand up for Dylan and Eric while they were being bullied? The shooters felt like noone stood up for them.
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PostSubject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider   Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:01 am

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"All jocks stand up! We'll get the guy in the white hats"

Craig Scott had a white hat. He was an athlete, not a jock.
Evan Todd had a white hat. He was a jock, not an athlete.

Not really the best way to word it. Rather, all jocks are athletes but not athletes are jocks. There is no jock who doesn't play sports.
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PostSubject: Re: The Columbine jock who hated Rocky Hoffschneider   Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:04 pm

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I do not doubt that E &D made racist comments at times but how much of that came from real ingrained racism and how much of it was them trying to look badass or cool or whatever is the question.I personally believe it was mainly the latter.

totally agree.. whatever fit their agenda of hate and the "new ID" they were taking on as badasses etc..

E&D hid behind a lot of self hate and used anything to fuel their projection.
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