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PostSubject: The Actual Motive Behind Sandy Hook   Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:53 am

A lot of people have talked about Adam Lanza's suffering from low-functioning Aspergers as being he cause of the shooting but this is bullcrap. People with autism get tremendous value out of simple rules and it is a simple rule not to hurt anyone. The autistic population is nowhere near as violent as the normal population. The real reason A.L did what he did is simple; he had a cold relationship with his mother, the only one person who he could rely on in the world. When she volunteered to work at Sandy Hook, her dedication to other kids like him must have infuriated him. His tapped up anger over that broke through over some little thing she did which was bad for him and he killed her, drove to the school and annihilated the other people who had in his mind slighted him.
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PostSubject: Re: The Actual Motive Behind Sandy Hook   Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:28 am

I'd imagine you have read the 2014 Yale Child Study Center's report on Adam Lanza's life?

That report outlines the key findings in Adam's entire life, through birth to 20. Yes, "AL's" acclaimed Asperger's wouldn't have played any role whatsoever in his actions on December 14th, 2012. And that argument is pathetic, especially when you take the entire autistic population into account. Only an infinitesimally small portion of these people go on to commit murder, much less to the extent shown in the Sandy Hook shootings. Regardless of weather he had a diagnosis or not, it wouldn't have changed anything.

It is difficult to determine; or make any sense of, AL's exact motive, considering both him and his mother are deceased as we know. Our only collective knowledge is that he was living in an upstairs room with garbage bags taped over the windows, communicating with his mother through e-mail, despite living under the same roof, and having Nancy attend to his every need. She never seemed to address her concerns about her son to anyone at all, despite his apparent state of despondency, isolation, and anorexia (apparently he was 6ft tall and weighed 112lbs in the autopsy report).

In all honesty, I can't really blame him for what he did. Hell, if I had a gun-crazed mother like Nancy, never left my bedroom for 4 months, and had no friends whatsoever, I'd probably go on a rampage too. I think anyone would if they were living AL's life.

If you want, I can PM you that document evaluating Adam Lanza's history. You should give it a read, it's some 100+ pages long, but it's definitely worth it if your into studying the psycho-social dynamics of mass shooters.
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PostSubject: Re: The Actual Motive Behind Sandy Hook   Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:54 am

If you read this blog: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

You know why he taped of his windows and never left his room, he was extremely sensitive to sunlight. Anyways I think his Aspergers might have played a role of course in it self Aspergers is not dangerous at all but it was stated (in numerous reports) that Adam Lanza may have had some form of mental illness in addition to Aspergers (which is not a mental illness). Schizophrenia was suggested but not confirmed so who knows. So what I think is that the Aspergers "shielded" of the more serious problem(s) or that people wrote his odd behaviour off as Aspergers.

Further more I don't think it's completely fair to blame his mom, dealing with a person who has severe mental issues must be challenging she probably did what she thought was best. If you read the Yale report on Adam Lanza you know that she took him to many therapists and psychiatrists to help him. Sure having guns in the house isn't the best of ideas but it's very normal in the states especially in towns like Newtown (as seen in the PBS documentary).
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PostSubject: Re: The Actual Motive Behind Sandy Hook   Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:28 am

Dataverse wrote:

If you want, I can PM you that document evaluating Adam Lanza's history. You should give it a read, it's some 100+ pages long, but it's definitely worth it if your into studying the psycho-social dynamics of mass shooters.

That would be great, data.

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PostSubject: Re: The Actual Motive Behind Sandy Hook   Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:41 am

AngerTotem wrote:
Dataverse wrote:

If you want, I can PM you that document evaluating Adam Lanza's history. You should give it a read, it's some 100+ pages long, but it's definitely worth it if your into studying the psycho-social dynamics of mass shooters.

That would be great, data.


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Here's the link.
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PostSubject: Re: The Actual Motive Behind Sandy Hook   Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:07 am

Adam did not believe he had asperger. and you know what? He was right. He was absolutely, 100% correct.

I'm not sure if he had some other auttism spectrum disorder or not, but I'm pretty certain Aspergwr was not it. Only Asperger-ish trait he displays is poor social skills and his single-minded obsession with one topic (school shootings).

However, his socials skills can be explained by his overall isolation. And his interest with school shootings doesn't needf to be asperger related - you of all people should know this by default.

Last: Adam had described himself as having hallucinations. That is a big warning ligth and not at all asperger.

The whole idea of his mom as a teahcer causing the shooting is pretty much absurd. Adam's interest in schootings started at a very precise moment: early april 2009. That's also when all his onluine gun-related activity starts. This starts a flurry of Adam's activity on gun forums, sspree killign related sites and whatnot.

Adam wrote taht he feels "schizophrenic", having "rare instances of wild mood swings" and being "numbly perplexed over the foreign concept of loving life".

Up until I seen himself admitt having hallucinations, I brushed off his "schizophrenic" comment as a random: "I'm crazy and I don't know what schziophrenia is".

Now I think I was deeply wrong. Adam probably read at least online information about schizophrenia and probably didn't use the term randomly. He seems to be refering to a precise state of mind and experiences.


Then there is a sudden and deafening silence that comes early 2012. Adam stops even his onlien activity. There's something very, very wrong and significant occuring. No way is this asperger behavior or anything related to his mom social life.

I think we are all at fault for thinking Adam himself is useless aas a source of explanation and instead we were lookign at all sorts of other circumstances, external factors and random stuff (doesn't it sound familair? Manson&Nazi quotes thing again?). We need to stop treating Adam as a moron who totally fails to understand what's going on.

We need to start listening to Adam

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PostSubject: Re: The Actual Motive Behind Sandy Hook   Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:43 am

AngerTotem wrote:
A lot of people have talked about Adam Lanza's suffering from low-functioning Aspergers as being he cause of the shooting but this is bullcrap. People with autism get tremendous value out of simple rules and it is a simple rule not to hurt anyone. The autistic population is nowhere near as violent as the normal population. The real reason A.L did what he did is simple; he had a cold relationship with his mother, the only one person who he could rely on in the world. When she volunteered to work at Sandy Hook, her dedication to other kids like him must have infuriated him. His tapped up anger over that broke through over some little thing she did which was bad for him and he killed her, drove to the school and annihilated the other people who had in his mind slighted him.

If things were a simple as him being angry with his mother, nothing would have happened like it did. His obsession with shootings and strange behavior was something else entirely.

Another point to add to what Sabratha was saying (mental illness being the largest factor), is that his hatred was if anything directed towards society as a whole rather than just his mother. Here is a link to his phone call to Anarchy Radio: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] He calls in to talk about a chimp named Travis whom attacked his owner before being shot by the police. Adam talks about how he believes that society drove Travis to do this.

A third point, is that he was a huge gamer, and most likely targeted young children in order to achieve more deaths/a higher score.

There is not really any evidence of Adam being angry with his mother, except that it would be the reaction of a normal person, of whom he was not. So how can you say that everything else is bullshit and it was entirely down to anger at his mother, when this is purely unbacked speculation?

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PostSubject: Re: The Actual Motive Behind Sandy Hook   Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:27 pm

I dont have much to say on this subject, but i will say that Its ridiculous to say someone with autism can't be violent because they're autistic. Anyone is capable of killing under the right circumstances.
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PostSubject: Re: The Actual Motive Behind Sandy Hook   Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:33 pm

Nirvana92 wrote:
I dont have much to say on this subject, but i will say that Its ridiculous to say someone with autism can't be violent as because they're autistic. Anyone is capable of killing under the right circumstances.

As a mother of a twelve year old autistic boy I have to say that in no way Adam Lanza was autistic. You are right when you say that someone with autism can be violent, yes, my son is hitting me in the face when he got his attacks, but there is a big diffence between planning and doing a shooting. Autistic people, doesn't  matter if it is Asperger or Kanner syndrom, have one thing in common, they create their own world with their own rules and their own rituals. They are frustrated and desperate if something or someone didn't follow this rules or rituals. For example, my son didn't go in his bed when his  blanket and pillow are not in the right arrangement. If I didn't fix it quick it leads direct to an outburst.

Most autistics are unsocial, that is right, one a little bit more than others. But they didn't feel unsocial, it is okay for them, they don't want to interact with others, because they have no or very little interest in other people. An autistic person does not understand why YOU are sad, angry, mean or happy because he feels in another way. My son laughs when I yell at him, and sometime he began to cry when someone laughs.

Unfortunately is it modern to diagnose kids with whatever at a very young age, and I think the most of this diagnoses are totally wrong. You don't need Asperger to be smart, a loner or maybe only "deadly" shy, but if you want to go on a shooting spree you better have something different than autism, because you can't handle the chaos, the screams, the noise, the panic.
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PostSubject: Re: The Actual Motive Behind Sandy Hook   Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:11 am

[quote="Grandma"An autistic person does not understand why YOU are sad, angry, mean or happy because he feels in another way. My son laughs when I yell at him, and sometime he began to cry when someone laughs.[/quote]

I think this is a vital thign to stress and demands a thread of its own. I made one herE:
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The new thread also contains my reply to some of teh issues you have raised in your post.

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