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PostSubject: The persecution of Don Marxhausen   The persecution of Don Marxhausen Icon_minitimeThu Jul 14, 2016 10:45 pm

So because this man of God followed the example and commandment of Christ in reaching out to a suffering family and then befriending and counseling them, the members of this Church decide they don't want him as their pastor anymore.

It's people like that that make Christianity look bad.

extras.denverpost.com/news/col0810.htm

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PostSubject: Re: The persecution of Don Marxhausen   The persecution of Don Marxhausen Icon_minitimeThu Jul 14, 2016 11:02 pm

[quote="PaintItBlack"]So because this man of God followed the example and commandment of Christ in reaching out to a suffering family and then befriending and counseling this, the members of this Church decide they don't want him as their pastor anymore.

It's people like that that make Christianity look bad.

I agree. He was only trying to help a devastated family through a difficult time which is his job as a minister.
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PostSubject: Re: The persecution of Don Marxhausen   The persecution of Don Marxhausen Icon_minitimeFri Jul 15, 2016 2:38 am

There's still a huge taboo regarding funeral rights for murderers, especially those that fit under the "terrorist" umbrella. Also keep in mind that Columbine was the first (and still the most unique) school shooting of its type. This wasnt some depressed kid who happened to wake up a little too angry one day. Dylan actively took part in planning the attack forever a year. Religions tend to view crimes of passion differently than premeditated murder too. As sad as it is to say their reaction makes total sense when you consider it was 1999. Mass shootings just weren't the norm back then.

After reading Jeff Kass' book I can't help but wonder if the Klebolds faith (or lack of true denomination) had a hand in spuring the congregations view. Marxhausen was a Christian pastor, while Sue was Jewish and Tom didnt really consider himself anything. The Christian community around Littleton felt the attack was against them, and their Christian pastor helping bury the Jewish perpetrator probably didnt sit right with them.
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PostSubject: Re: The persecution of Don Marxhausen   The persecution of Don Marxhausen Icon_minitimeFri Jul 15, 2016 2:48 am

Nirvana,
You make valid points, don't get me wrong.
But the way this congregation acted was incompatible with any kind of true Christianity.
Jesus said to comfort the grieving,bind up their wounds etc.
This churches members were hateful,uncaring and petty in the entire ousting of the pastor and in wanting to oust him in the first place.
This sort of thing makes Christians look like uncaring, judgmental hypocrites to people and with good reason.

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PostSubject: Re: The persecution of Don Marxhausen   The persecution of Don Marxhausen Icon_minitimeFri Jul 15, 2016 3:23 am

That's just part of religion man. Church is supposed to be a place for us lowly humans to rise above our natural urges and biases, but sadly it doesn't always work like that. Its nothing new and there will always be self contradicting cases like this one.

I still can't blame them though. Times were different and the crime was extremly heinous. Keep in mind Columbine was THE news story in 1999. Marxhausen opened his entire congregation up to constant media hounding and public scrutiny by doing Dylan's funeral. Its not just a simple case of hypocritical Christians. Would you want reporters flocking to your private place of worship because of some child killer?

I get where you're coming from, but it almost feels a little too hostile IMO. Its not a simple as you're making it out to be. His congregation had every right to be upset once he brought the media/publics attention to his church. These were normal everyday people before Columbine happened, and after a while the majority of Littleton just wanted to put it all behind them. Getting rid of Marxhausen may have been that churches way of moving on from the tragedy. Does that make it right? Not necessarily. Its still completley understandable though. Us modern day humans (even the spiritual and religious) just aren't use to handling these types of events.
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PostSubject: Re: The persecution of Don Marxhausen   The persecution of Don Marxhausen Icon_minitimeFri Jul 15, 2016 8:33 am

I agree that it was sad he was pushed out, but things like this happen a lot. The church I went to growing up threw out the pastor that was there because he wouldn't support the congregations hellfire on persecuting gay people. The congregation believed that gay people are going to hell and there is no saving them.

There are good churches and there are bad churches, same as good Christians and Bad Christians.

I get where their anger comes from though. Dylan was seen as a devil. Satan reincarnated to some. And this man showed him some compassion. As Christians we should be forgiving and willing to accept others. This congregation obv didn't

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PostSubject: Re: The persecution of Don Marxhausen   The persecution of Don Marxhausen Icon_minitimeFri Jul 15, 2016 10:07 am

I can understand why the congregation was upset. But the funeral was private and held at a Denver funeral home. None of the churches facilities were used for the funeral. Had he allowed the funeral at the church, that would have been wrong.It just seems to me that Don Marxhausen was being a Christian in having the funeral for a family that was dealing with a child's suicide and that child also murdered and treated people horribly before his death. Your child wasn't who you thought he was.I can't imagine having to deal with that.
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PostSubject: Re: The persecution of Don Marxhausen   The persecution of Don Marxhausen Icon_minitimeFri Jul 15, 2016 9:35 pm

Nirvana92 wrote:
That's just part of religion man. Church is supposed to be a place for us lowly humans to rise above our natural urges and biases, but sadly it doesn't always work like that. Its nothing new and there will always be self contradicting cases like this one.

I still can't blame them though. Times were different and the crime was extremly heinous. Keep in mind Columbine was THE news story in 1999. Marxhausen opened his entire congregation up to constant media hounding and public scrutiny by doing Dylan's funeral. Its not just a simple case of hypocritical Christians. Would you want reporters flocking to your private place of worship because of some child killer?

I get where you're coming from, but it almost feels a little too hostile IMO. Its not a simple as you're making it out to be. His congregation had every right to be upset once he brought the media/publics attention to his church. These were normal everyday people before Columbine happened, and after a while the majority of Littleton just wanted to put it all behind them. Getting rid of Marxhausen may have been that churches way of moving on from the tragedy. Does that make it right? Not necessarily. Its still completley understandable though. Us modern day humans (even the spiritual and religious) just aren't use to handling these types of events.

Nirvana,
I would not want go to a church that has such an attitude.
If I go to a Church I want to make sure that the Pastor is connected with God and so is the congregation.I am not interested in the shallow, self righteous,self serving, self satisfied type of Christianity this congregation displayed.I truly believe its incidents like this that make Christianity look bad to non believers or people on the fence.And non believers have every right to think that about such incidents.This church would probably ask Jesus Christ to leave their congregation for associating with "questionable" people.

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PostSubject: Re: The persecution of Don Marxhausen   The persecution of Don Marxhausen Icon_minitimeSun Jul 17, 2016 2:50 am

very unnecessary move kicking out the man for doing what he tought it was right.
but thats how it works in small towns,and still does.

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PostSubject: Re: The persecution of Don Marxhausen   The persecution of Don Marxhausen Icon_minitimeTue Jul 19, 2016 2:54 pm

PaintItBlack wrote:
So because this man of God followed the example and commandment of Christ in reaching out to a suffering family and then befriending and counseling them, the members of this Church decide they don't want him as their pastor anymore.

It's people like that that make Christianity look bad.

extras.denverpost.com/news/col0810.htm

I agree. We're supposed to be kind, compassionate, and caring, which was exactly what he was doing. Add to that , he was doing it in a difficult situation. While his congregation may not be happy with his choices, I'm sure God is.
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