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PostSubject: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:03 pm

Tiffany Typher – Went to homecoming with Eric freshman year (’95). When she refused him anymore dates, he and some friends staged a fake suicide for her benefit, where Eric pretended to bash his head in with a rock. This was said to be overly theatrical and not to be taken serious.

Kristen Quikien - He often asked her out although she wouldn’t go out with him [page 003607]

Valerie Lage – Apparently dated Eric in 1996. [page 019017]

Sasha Jacobs – Dated Eric from late ’97 to early ’98. Says he hated life and envied his older brother. When they broke up she received threats by email, which stopped when she changed her screen name. He wrote about her in Chad Laughlin’s 1998 yearbook, saying, “Sasha is a fat trendy whiney annoying terd and I went out w/ her cause I felt sorry for her I guess. Oh well. I bet you’ll show her this“ [page 000960]. She went to Littleton High School, not Columbine, so grade is unknown. Quote from Eric, "Sasha is a fat trendy whiney annoying terd and I went out with her cause I felt sorry for her I guess."

Unknown name – Met Eric at a soccer game in the summer of 1998; hung out with him three times, including a date at Eliches that may have included Nate and Dylan. He wasn’t her type, she described him as weird, not personable, not very talkative, and maybe “a little evil.” She decided to stop answering his phone calls and he called her house and pager repeatedly for the next three weeks before suddenly ceasing.

Jen LNU – Worked at Tortilla Wraps with Eric summer of 1998. She was a year older than him and heading off to CSU. He was interested in her and wrote her a letter describing how much he’d like to spend time with her and talk. An AOL instant message conversation with her also appears in the Columbine Documents. Nothing ever came of this.

Katie Thompson [page 001221] – Went out with Eric once in early 1999, but her mother put a stop to it because he was too old (he was a senior, she was a freshman). He took her and some of her friends out for lunch about two weeks before the attack. Asked her to Prom but her mom wouldn’t let her go. She said he was weird and not her type.

Kim Carlin – Worked at Blackjack’s with Eric. They were both seniors. He apparently had a crush on her, but nothing came of it. She may be the girl he fantasizes about in one journal entry, when he refers to a girl "who I wanted to just fuck like hell, she made me practically drool, when she wore those shorts to work.. instant hard on. I couldnt stop staring."

Megan Minger – Eric wanted to date her because she had a Rammstein sticker on her car. He left a note on her car with his number, asking her to call him. He asked her repeatedly if he was ever going to call him, but she never did.

Tanya Worlock – Worked at Great Clips with Susan DeWitt; Eric asked her out about 10 times and was always nice about it, but wouldn’t take no for an answer even though she repeatedly turned him down.

Megan Lebsack – Also worked at Great Clips and was asked out by Eric, but she turned him down.

Brandi Tinklenberg - Transferred to Columbine and was in Eric’s Video Production class. She was a junior when he was a senior. Infamous blonde on the ‘Eric in Columbine’ video. Also seen in the short kidnapping/murder mystery clip, where Eric pretends to strangle her. Eric asked her to Prom (via another girl in their class), but she turned him down because she didn’t feel like going. He appeared hurt and didn’t talk to her after that.

Sabrina Cooley – Eric asked her to Prom after Brandi turned him down, but she, too, turned him down. Apparently she embarrassed him in front of the whole class. She was a senior.

Susan DeWitt – Worked at Great Clips near Blackjacks and was Eric’s last date. He asked her out the Saturday before the attack and they spent Prom night watching Event Horizon; apparently he only kissed her on the cheek when she departed. She was a junior at the time.

Kristi (or Kristine) Epling - Dating Nate at the time of the attack. Apparently had a crush on Eric at some point, but he was not interested in dating her - Rumored that he was interested in Alyssa Sechler at the time. Nate then asked her out and after they began dating, Eric started flirting with Kristi, causing a falling out between the two friends temporarily. This was eventually mended, though Nate and Eric were not as close at the time of the shooting as they had once been.


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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:37 am

Sounds like a gossip section in a tabloid.

I remember someone posting stuff on the old forums with some CHS kid reporting Harris and Heins had something going on in 98 (or was it 97?). There was some discussion about taht, but in the end nobody found evidence outside of witness reports that were somewhat sketchy.

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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:18 am

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Sounds like a gossip section in a tabloid.

I remember someone posting stuff on the old forums with some CHS kid reporting Harris and Heins had something going on in 98 (or was it 97?). There was some discussion about taht, but in the end nobody found evidence outside of witness reports that were somewhat sketchy.

that sounds like an interesting discussion.
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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:17 pm

I think that this information makes a strong case for the fact that Eric did have lots of girls who thought he was cute, so superficially, he didn't have trouble. But of course if you show an extreme angry or weird streak that'll scare girls away.
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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:36 pm

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I think Eric also had problems with girls because his interests,music and dress were far outside the mainstream. The Littleton area seems uniform for the most part and E &D definitely did not fit in.
It seems like a lot of girls there did not want to be seen as associated with a weird, unpopular guy.

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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:31 am

We're all aware that Eric had SOME dates, but was he this pussy pounding confident ladies man as Mr. Cullen says? Hell to the no. Most of Eric's dates went awful, and there is a reason for that. He had crappy self esteem, and so many girls said there was something "off" about him. What does he do with Susan on their date? Watch some crappy movie (that he wanted to watch mind you), and then proceeds to bitch to her about Mike Dinkle, and how his feelings were hurt. I mean come on.

Oh, and the fact that he couldn't land a prom date even with his friends helping him tells you enough doesn't it?

By the way most of this list is with women rejecting him. The anti pimp.
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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:18 am

it seems that these girls weren't into the same stuff as Eric (maybe just a band or two) and that they found him to be quiet, not very talkative and kind of strange, and they felt fearful when it came to the time when they had to admit that the relationship wont work because he would take it very personal. If you watch Eric in the cafeteria video that's a good insight into his character, at no point of time was he ever the center of the conversation, where he talked for long periods of time and everybody listened, he would only add in comments here and there, he did seem like quiet, withdrawn type.

Cullen's fictional version of Eric was a guy with no confidence issues, he would sweep girls off their feet and tell them all the right words, take them out for romantic dinners and and have girls staring over at him in the commons, they would follow him around and constantly ask him for his phone number. and all the jocks would be jealous on Eric so they retaliated by picking on him.

I think the reason girls had trouble relating to Eric is because he was a confused guy, his family moved him all around and he never was able to find himself, he spent the first year of the school wearing smart shirts and probably staying behind in lab class to help the teacher, and playing soccer, but because it was a school that specializes in sport, he was no match for the athletes so that lead him to Chris Morris i'd assume and his dark clothing and rebellious outlook on life and music taste would rub off on Eric and he would change his clothing style and music taste and try and find himelf and be apart of a group and find the right style for him, and his dad's military influence, plus the fact he grew up on Dos/win95 computers playing shooting games, specifically Doom where you play as a marine, like in the sci-fi b-movies he'd watch with soldiers gunning down aliens, all of this would influence his style, and he ended up maintaining that smart 'nerdy' look but mixed with that dark, rebellious style from Chris Morris and a splash of the military influenced by his father, movies and video games. And because Eric wasn't officially tagged with any pre-set group (such as Goths, Metalheads, Rockers etc) he was at that teen age where he was just trying to establish himself and his place and the woman had a difficult time relating to him.
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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:47 am

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it seems that these girls weren't into the same stuff as Eric (maybe just a band or two) and that they found him to be quiet, not very talkative and kind of strange, and they felt fearful when it came to the time when they had to admit that the relationship wont work because he would take it very personal. If you watch Eric in the cafeteria video that's a good insight into his character, at no point of time was he ever the center of the conversation, where he talked for long periods of time and everybody listened, he would only add in comments here and there, he did seem like quiet, withdrawn type.

Cullen's fictional version of Eric was a guy with no confidence issues, he would sweep girls off their feet and tell them all the right words, take them out for romantic dinners and and have girls staring over at him in the commons, they would follow him around and constantly ask him for his phone number. and all the jocks would be jealous on Eric so they retaliated by picking on him.

I think the reason girls had trouble relating to Eric is because he was a confused guy, his family moved him all around and he never was able to find himself, he spent the first year of the school wearing smart shirts and probably staying behind in lab class to help the teacher, and playing soccer, but because it was a school that specializes in sport, he was no match for the athletes so that lead him to Chris Morris i'd assume and his dark clothing and rebellious outlook on life and music taste would rub off on Eric and he would change his clothing style and music taste and try and find himelf and be apart of a group and find the right style for him, and his dad's military influence, plus the fact he grew up on Dos/win95 computers playing shooting games, specifically Doom where you play as a marine, like in the sci-fi b-movies he'd watch with soldiers gunning down aliens, all of this would influence his style, and he ended up maintaining that smart 'nerdy' look but mixed with that dark, rebellious style from Chris Morris and a splash of the military influenced by his father, movies and video games. And because Eric wasn't officially tagged with any pre-set group (such as Goths, Metalheads, Rockers etc) he was at that teen age where he was just trying to establish himself and his place and the woman had a difficult time relating to him.
Couldn't have said it better myself.

Dylan and Eric were both influenced by Chris Morris IMO.
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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:12 pm

The most serious issues and the most mature stuff he was wrapping his head around was precisely the sort of stuff he wouldn't share with a random girl on a random date.

So in the end, frankly I think most girls probably found him boring, immature (was into films/games that were rather childish), short tempered, a guy who takes everything personal and overall not fun to be around.

Even if he found someone who liked the same music or books, that's not much to build a relationship on. Just my 0.02 $

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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:54 pm

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I agree that's not much to build a relationship on but I think it could have been a good start. I think Eric needed a girl who looked at life in a different way than the norm.
I don' think she had to agree with him on everything but just someone who saw things a lot of others didn't could have connected with him on a deep level.

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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:11 pm

What were the chances of Eric making progress with the females that were in the TCM? Barring that, what about the other more "goth" or outcast types at the school?

The impression I have is that Eric was the type to were combat boots, bloused cargo pants and KMFDM shirts. Yet, his tastes and preferences in a potential female partner were much more mainstream.
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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:21 pm

There is something that doesn’t add up for me. It’s about that date with Susan, his last date just a few days before Columbine happened. I mean, he knew that this was his last chance of getting laid in his life, his parents are out for dinner.

So what does he do? He shows her Event Horizon (!). Yeah, good choice for getting a girl turned on. And he knows that we will die in just a few days. This is the last chance.

Susan said to the cops that he put his arm around her once and gave her a goodbye kiss…that was all the intimacy they shared that night. Unless Susan lied to the cops, which I think is highly unlikely.


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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:40 pm

I think that goes a long way in showing how bad he was with girls. I't's like he had some disconnect that allowed him to get the initial dates, but there was some fundamental gap when it came to showing his capabilities as a long term mate.
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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:58 am

C'mon we all know Eric never had to fap once... He was the biggest pimp of them all, he put Wilt Chamberlin to shame.
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What I see here is women who either rejected him out right, or gave him a chance and he scared them off. I mean how many women has every guy here asked out and got rejected? How many guys have you women rejected?
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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:32 am

I have to admit, he had enough confidence to ask a fair amount of girls out. If he truly had self confidence issues, a couple of rejections would have had a huge effect on him. The fact that he showed a girl a gory sci fi flick as a last ditch effort to hook up is sort of telling.

I think that "Event Horizon" was a favorite of his, as a rental copy of it was also part of the personal effects that were taken out of evidence after the van break in.
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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:19 pm

He didn't even try to kiss her (not counting the goodbye kiss).

He had the "courage"(or whatever…) to carry out a massacre but not the courage to kiss a girl when he knows that he is going to die anyway in a few days.

I mean, WTF?!
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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:30 pm

This goes towards mental health, and Eric's feeling's towards the opposite sex. He can't muster the courage to kiss a girl, but he can shoot one in the face less than a week later.
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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:06 pm

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This goes towards mental health, and Eric's feeling's towards the opposite sex. He can't muster the courage to kiss a girl, but he can shoot one in the face less than a week later.

And still he kept asking girls out and asking girls to prom etc. But when a girl was at his house, his parents are out, again knowing that he will die soon and this is his last chance, he chickens out.

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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:47 pm

Sometimes I wonder if Susan DeWitt fibbed about Eric just kissing her cheek and perhaps actually full-on kissed him. I know if I was in her position, my lips would be sealed as to where all my lips were that night. I honestly don't understand why they asked her about it in the first place or what kind of bearing it would have on the criminal investigation. The note she wrote to Eric after he passed away also makes me wonder how deep the connection was too.
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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:05 pm

"my lips would be sealed as to where all my lips were that night"

Thanks, I just spit coffee all over my laptop : )

In all seriousness, that's a good question. I'm still surprised at the amount of stuff that investigators have managed to catalog on Eric and Dylan. If I were to chance a guess, I would say it was probably the FBI psychology team that deemed that info important.
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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:05 pm

I think the police would know pretty quickly if she lied. I mean, when something like this happens, who has the courage to lie to the police? Especially people who never has been "involved" or questioned about a crime before. We are talking about kids here. And Susan approached the cops, not the other way around.

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I still feel something doesn’t add up. Two things:

1. Eric’s dad Wayne went to Great Clips, where Susan worked, the day after and said hello to her. Just walking in to a barber shop to say hello to a staff member after only meeting her as soon as the day before? Clearly Eric must have said that things went well with Susan or something nice about her anyways. Because if things didn’t had gone well, no way Wayne Harris would have walked in there.

2. Susan and Eric talked on the parking lot at Monday the 19th. If she rejected a kiss for example from him Saturday night, it would not make sense why he would go and talk to her. Like when Brandi didn’t want to go to prom with him, he never spoke to her again.

I can still only come to the conclusion that Eric chickened out. And since it seems like it was no awkwardness afterwards between them, there was only that kiss on the cheek.
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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:09 pm

Its possible that nothing happened, and they stayed in sporadic contact until the shooting.

...However, it's also possible that he actually did finally trash his v card, and just didn't get it into any kind of record. Likewise, Susan might have lied about it purely to cover up the fact that she slept with a murderer. I can only imagine what kind of grief would befall her at that school if she were to reveal that. This is just speculation, though. I truly feel that if Eric did seal the deal with Susan, it may have actually put a stop to the entire plot.
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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:45 am

Susan DeWitt worked at Great Clips near Blackjack Pizza.

Before showing an interest in her, Eric asked out Tanya Worlock and Megan Lebsack who were her coworkers. He used to stop in and talk to them and took great interest in them when they’d stop in on their lunch breaks. Susan was Eric’s last date. He asked her out the Saturday before the attack and they spent prom night together. (They apparently watched “Event Horizon”.) She declined his offer to go to the after prom party with him because her sister called her and told her she had to come home. He apparently thanked her and kissed her on the cheek before she left. She was a junior at the time of the massacre.

After his death, she wrote a very kind and loving letter to the boy she knew and not who the media made him out to be.


Susan DeWitt's Letter to Eric Harris:

Eric David Harris, I didn’t know the person hiding under your smile. I didn’t know about the pain you carried in your heart. I didn’t know the torture you endured for so long. And I didn’t want to believe you were capable of such destruction. I didn’t know I could feel such pain for someone I really didn’t know. If I knew what your eyes hid, and what your mind was screaming, maybe I could have helped you. I could have loved you. All I know is the pain I am feeling inside. All I know is the person I talked to everyday, the person who seemed happy, the person who always helped me and made sure I had everything I needed.

I see your picture on the pages, they say what a monster you are, they say how you were mean and cruel. But you see, I can’t believe what they say. I knew the smiling person, the person who helped me. I don’t want to hear it anymore. I want it to go away, the angry cries well up in me and I hate you for making me so scared and sad. Leaving me without any explanation. Leaving me with wandering thoughts and hollow cries. Did you try and reach me? Did you try to tell me? I will live with the memories and the unanswered questions I hold in my heart. Not a day will go by that I will not wonder why.

As times goes by, I am getting stronger, but then the moment comes when I break down and cry. I am so sorry I didn’t see the rage you had inside. I am sorry I was so blind and couldn’t see all the things you tried to show me. No matter how wrong you were, I will love the person who smiled and said “Hi” to me everyday. I promise to never forget the person I knew, and forget the person they say you were.

Love Always and Forever, Susan DeWitt
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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Thu Oct 15, 2015 7:31 am

That really doesn't seem like something someone would write after one, awkward date. She is expressing a lot here.
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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Thu Oct 15, 2015 10:25 am

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...However, it's also possible that he actually did finally trash his v card, and just didn't get it into any kind of record. Likewise, Susan might have lied about it purely to cover up the fact that she slept with a murderer. I can only imagine what kind of grief would befall her at that school if she were to reveal that. This is just speculation, though. I truly feel that if Eric did seal the deal with Susan, it may have actually put a stop to the entire plot.

Could be. Cops cover up a lot of things too. The threats from Eric towards Brooks and his family etc...  

In that case, they could have “spun it around” to protect her. Like they protect some people from the “shit list”. Maybe people would blame her or something if it was made public that they in fact were intimate of some sort that night.  

I don’t think it would have stopped the whole thing. NBK was coming up and it was too late. With everything that they had planned, bought and such, there was no way NBK wasn’t going to happen, no matter what happened with Susan.

“Under different circumstances it would have been a lot different”
– Eric to Susan in his final video in the morning April 20th.

But like you said, it’s all speculative.
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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:56 am

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Susan DeWitt's Letter to Eric Harris:

Eric David Harris, I didn’t know the person hiding under your smile. I didn’t know about the pain you carried in your heart. I didn’t know the torture you endured for so long. And I didn’t want to believe you were capable of such destruction. I didn’t know I could feel such pain for someone I really didn’t know. If I knew what your eyes hid, and what your mind was screaming, maybe I could have helped you. I could have loved you. All I know is the pain I am feeling inside. All I know is the person I talked to everyday, the person who seemed happy, the person who always helped me and made sure I had everything I needed.

I see your picture on the pages, they say what a monster you are, they say how you were mean and cruel. But you see, I can’t believe what they say. I knew the smiling person, the person who helped me. I don’t want to hear it anymore. I want it to go away, the angry cries well up in me and I hate you for making me so scared and sad. Leaving me without any explanation. Leaving me with wandering thoughts and hollow cries. Did you try and reach me? Did you try to tell me? I will live with the memories and the unanswered questions I hold in my heart. Not a day will go by that I will not wonder why.

As time goes by, I am getting stronger, but then the moment comes when I break down and cry. I am so sorry I didn’t see the rage you had inside. I am sorry I was so blind and couldn’t see all the things you tried to show me. No matter how wrong you were, I will love the person who smiled and said “Hi” to me everyday. I promise to never forget the person I knew, and forget the person they say you were.

Love Always and Forever, Susan DeWitt

I made an account just to chime in on this. I recently saw a play performed by a local small theatre group that was like the Erlkings but with alternative rock songs added. It sounds cheesy but it actually worked really well. Near the end of it, Hate Me by Blue October was performed by Eric and the girl who was supposed to be Susan (names except perpetrators' and victims' were changed) as a duet. He was in all black and on a black part of the stage that was supposed to be Hell and so was Dylan but he was just sitting on the floor forlorn strumming the guitar part and she was standing in front of Eric's cross for part of it and instead of the voicemail at the beginning of the original song it started out with her reading this letter.There wasn't a dry eye in the house. For a play that pissed so many people off it was pretty damn good. Sorry to go so far off topic but reading this gave me chills. That letter is so touching.


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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:40 pm

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What were the chances of Eric making progress with the females that were in the TCM? Barring that, what about the other more "goth" or outcast types at the school?

Other than the probably unsubstantiated Heins rumors? None.

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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:05 pm

Well if Susan was type of girl that sleeps with a guy on the first date(whether shes a virgin or not.) Maybe she wrote that letter because she felt sorry for him and she wish she could had helped.
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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:53 pm

That could be. What she wrote was very heartfelt. It seemed like she had pretty deep feelings for him, at least.

I still find it odd that he never made any relationships with the other TCM types at the school. In their senior year, they would have been kings of that clique, given their choice of music, clothing and activities.

I know a few girls indicated an interest in Dylan. One of them was turned off when she witnessed him being mean to another student.
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PostSubject: Re: Girls that Eric dated or tried to date   Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:34 pm

Dylan dated Kristin Theibault didn't he? Cory Freisen said they dated and Alexandra Marsh thought he Kristin were dating. She was part of TCM, right? I'm sorry, I forgot.
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