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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook- No Proof   Sandy Hook- No Proof - Page 3 Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2016 5:20 pm

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That's true. The Super Columbine Massacre RPG forum that Lanza had posted on had already changed to Shocked Beyond Belief at the time that Coleman put those links together and I don't know the exact date but this forum eventually shut down too. At the time, he accessed the threads by doing Google searches and copying from the cached pages, which is what those links are. Eventually, the cached pages were purged completely.

Why would they have been purged from the cache site? That's not normal. It just leaves more reasons to question the official story, rather than clear things up.

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If you choose to believe they are lying and that the posts are fake, then there isn't anything that anyone can say to change your mind. If by some miracle I could convince you they were real, then as you said, you could choose to believe they were planted by the government in advance and there isn't anything I could say to change your mind. I was only answering your question about what these online accounts consisted of and why I believe they belonged to Lanza but if you're willing to believe that Newtown, CT was infiltrated years in advance by dozens of government agents to concoct this false story for the public then I'm sure that nothing anyone could show you would ever change your mind.

Don't turn my reserved judgment into an accusation that the mod or anyone else is lying. That's just one more tactic that's commonly used to stop discussions. If you don't want to discuss with me, then don't. Quite simple.

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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook- No Proof   Sandy Hook- No Proof - Page 3 Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2016 5:57 pm

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Also noteworthy is the fact that all the information listed as coming from his hard drive supposedly came from an external hard drive. Lanza destroyed the hard drive of his computer before going to the school and that data was never recovered as far we know.

So if this was an external harddrive, then it could have easily been taken and used outside of the Lanza home at any time.

Was there anything in the report that would prove that those online posts were made from his computer? From that particular harddrive? Such as an IP adress that traces back to his home?

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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook- No Proof   Sandy Hook- No Proof - Page 3 Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2016 6:01 pm

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That's true. The Super Columbine Massacre RPG forum that Lanza had posted on had already changed to Shocked Beyond Belief at the time that Coleman put those links together and I don't know the exact date but this forum eventually shut down too. At the time, he accessed the threads by doing Google searches and copying from the cached pages, which is what those links are. Eventually, the cached pages were purged completely.

Why would they have been purged from the cache site? That's not normal. It just leaves more reasons to question the official story, rather than clear things up.

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If you choose to believe they are lying and that the posts are fake, then there isn't anything that anyone can say to change your mind. If by some miracle I could convince you they were real, then as you said, you could choose to believe they were planted by the government in advance and there isn't anything I could say to change your mind. I was only answering your question about what these online accounts consisted of and why I believe they belonged to Lanza but if you're willing to believe that Newtown, CT was infiltrated years in advance by dozens of government agents to concoct this false story for the public then I'm sure that nothing anyone could show you would ever change your mind.

Don't turn my reserved judgment into an accusation that the mod or anyone else is lying. That's just one more tactic that's commonly used to stop discussions. If you don't want to discuss with me, then don't. Quite simple.

I believe based on what I read that since there is a 404 error listed, this means that Google's webcrawler attempted to cache the page after the site had shut down and when it saw that the page no longer existed, it was unable to record a new cached version of it so it was deleted. When a site is taken down, the cached page eventually disappears. Here's one example of a webmaster saying that this happened to them when their site went offline. This is presumably a random website with no controversy surrounding it.
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I have no problem discussing this if you have questions that I believe I can answer, but I have to ask, is there anything that would change your mind? Based on what you have said so far, it doesn't sound like that will happen so my point was that I don't understand the purpose of asking these questions to begin with. What would convince you if you believe the townspeople themselves could have been planted?
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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook- No Proof   Sandy Hook- No Proof - Page 3 Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2016 6:03 pm

I find it more than a little disconcerting to see people attacking conspiracy theorists and calling them stupid and all that, but then you expect us to just accept your word without question. Is that how you do research?

I don't like being accused of calling someone a liar just because I don't automatically accept their research. Never mind my own suspicions! That's not anything anyone should be attacking, and certainly not if you think you're a researcher yourself.

I ask questions and reserve judgment until I am satisfied, not you. If anyone takes offense to being asked questions about what they say, they shouldn't say it in the first place.
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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook- No Proof   Sandy Hook- No Proof - Page 3 Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2016 6:16 pm

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Also noteworthy is the fact that all the information listed as coming from his hard drive supposedly came from an external hard drive. Lanza destroyed the hard drive of his computer before going to the school and that data was never recovered as far we know.

So if this was an external harddrive, then it could have easily been taken and used outside of the Lanza home at any time.  

Was there anything in the report that would prove that those online posts were made from his computer? From that particular harddrive? Such as an IP adress that traces back to his home?

These posts were not included in the official report. As I said, they were identified by internet researchers as belonging to Lanza. From what I have read, the police never confirmed Smiggles as being Lanza, although they did say that he posted on an internet blog focused on mass shootings, and Columbine in particular. If they went to the trouble of creating a fake account over two years before the shooting in order to convince people, then it doesn't make sense to for them to have held back the specifics of this information. I assume that they did identify his use of the forum through his internet provider's records and that they have his IP address accessing the website, but they never made this information public.

If you read through all of the posts by Smiggles, all of the data recovered and what is known about Lanza, it's hard to believe that they aren't from the same person.
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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook- No Proof   Sandy Hook- No Proof - Page 3 Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2016 6:20 pm

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I find it more than a little disconcerting to see people attacking conspiracy theorists and calling them stupid and all that, but then you expect us to just accept your word without question. Is that how you do research?

I don't like being accused of calling someone a liar just because I don't automatically accept their research. Never mind my own suspicions! That's not anything anyone should be attacking, and certainly not if you think you're a researcher yourself.

I ask questions and reserve judgment until I am satisfied, not you. If anyone takes offense to being asked questions about what they say, they shouldn't say it in the first place.

I haven't attacked anyone and I don't take offense. You ignored my one question. What would satisfy you?
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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook- No Proof   Sandy Hook- No Proof - Page 3 Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2016 6:26 pm

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I have no problem discussing this if you have questions that I believe I can answer, but I have to ask, is there anything that would change your mind? Based on what you have said so far, it doesn't sound like that will happen so my point was that I don't understand the purpose of asking these questions to begin with. What would convince you if you believe the townspeople themselves could have been planted?

Why do you want to change my mind? Is that your intention?

I'm simply researching this. Nothing I propose as a possibility is set in stone. I have reasons to believe that it was staged, and I'm trying to determine to my own satisfaction whether it might have been. I have every right to doubt the official story, or anyone else's, and I don't have to explain myself for doing so. I could ask the same sort of question of you or anyone else here. Why are YOU here? Who are you trying to convince of anything and why?


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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook- No Proof   Sandy Hook- No Proof - Page 3 Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2016 6:39 pm

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These posts were not included in the official report. As I said, they were identified by internet researchers as belonging to Lanza. From what I have read, the police never confirmed Smiggles as being Lanza, although they did say that he posted on an internet blog focused on mass shootings, and Columbine in particular. If they went to the trouble of creating a fake account over two years before the shooting in order to convince people, then it doesn't make sense to for them to have held back the specifics of this information. I assume that they did identify his use of the forum through his internet provider's records and that they have his IP address accessing the website, but they never made this information public.

If you read through all of the posts by Smiggles, all of the data recovered and what is known about Lanza, it's hard to believe that they aren't from the same person.

If the posts had been faked, it certainly DOES make sense for them not to have included them in the report. That's my point. A real investigation would have involved the things you assume they did. But that's just an assumption. A false investigation would have left loose ends like that.

I'm not necessarily saying that they're not the same person. The various personas might be coordinated to at least appear that way, and that would obviously be expected.

When was the information in the report that led to this find first released? How long after the shooting? It was quite a while after, wasn't it?


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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook- No Proof   Sandy Hook- No Proof - Page 3 Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2016 6:45 pm

In those articles you linked me to, it said that Lanza often erased the content of his posts sometime after he made them. What is to say that the content that has been quoted from wasn't added after the fact? You'd still have the same name and date stamps, but the content could have been changed to reflect the Lanza persona at any time after, and you wouldn't be able to tell.
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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook- No Proof   Sandy Hook- No Proof - Page 3 Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2016 6:53 pm

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I haven't attacked anyone and I don't take offense. You ignored my one question. What would satisfy you?

No, you haven't, and that's why the post was to everyone. But I see from reading through the thread how quickly and rudely others do. I just wanted to put that out there.

I thought I did answer your question.
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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook- No Proof   Sandy Hook- No Proof - Page 3 Icon_minitimeSat Dec 03, 2016 7:44 pm

Assuming that they were lying anyway, they could have said exactly what they said in the official report without ever making a single post online. The posts were made, the activity was identified by police but it was not released to the public. The possibilities are that Lanza made the posts himself or that someone invested resources in creating an unnecessary online trail that they never revealed to the public.

The report was released about one year after the shooting.

Most of the posts were intact. The content could not have been posted or changed without a time stamp and we can see exactly when all of the replies were posted, edited or erased.
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PostSubject: Re: Sandy Hook- No Proof   Sandy Hook- No Proof - Page 3 Icon_minitimeTue Dec 06, 2016 7:41 am

Conspiracy theories have aounded probably since the beginning of time. JFK? 9/11? Are you searching for pictures of massacred children? If so, it will never happen, thank god. Take a look at previous school shootings. Even dead body pictures were not released at Virginia Tech, although those folks were mostly adults, with the exception of Cho on the autopsy table, his writing on his arm as well as his bloody footprints. Same with Columbine, with the exception of the Eric and Dylan, which were leaked. T.J. Lane's victims' death photos were not released.

There are reports that accompany each incident which provide more than enough information about the actions of the mass murderers. No one needs photos.

I will never understand such rabid opinions of a hoax at Sandy Hook. And I will never know or comprehend the pain of the parents who deal with such ridiculous nonsense. Their grief must be magnified ten fold by the preposterous theories circulating, and I sincerely hope for your sake that you are not subject to the horrrific murder of your 5 year old and have to deal with such stupid nonsense.

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Bless his heart, that's so pitiful. It breaks my heart.
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I don't hate "truthers". I believe they should get therapy.
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I don't hate "truthers". I believe they should get therapy.
this thread was made 6 years ago

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vril wrote:
DanielBryer wrote:
I don't hate "truthers". I believe they should get therapy.
this thread was made 6 years ago
I don't care.

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