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PostSubject: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:21 am

The bullying angle might be somewhat exaggerated, but I maintain that Eric's body language in the "wall of jocks" clip is revealing.


When Eric sees the larger boys approaching, around the 0:15 mark, he stops talking and tenses up. (Note that when Mike Vendegia sees them, he stops looking at Eric and stares straight ahead.) He stands as erect as he can, steeling himself for a confrontation. But as he nears them, he lowers his head and cowers like a dog. (Some claim that he is "ramming" through the wall of jocks in a macho manner, but I disagree.)

Also note that the jock on the right side of the screen is flipping off the camera. It's hard to see, due to the pixelation, but if you look closely you can tell that his middle finger is extended. So the mutual dislike and contempt between the "popular" crowd and the "outcasts" was very real.

Around the 10:50 mark, Eric was humiliated in front of the other boys when a girl who had promised to meet him instead walked out of the room without saying a word:
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Around 11:24, he slouches and lowers his head until his chin is resting in his hands. His body language indicates that he is giving up, accepting defeat. He has already lost - that girl has already walked up the stairs and out of his life, at least for the moment - so there's no point in puffing himself up any longer.

Examine Eric's facial expression around the 11:40 mark. Is that the face of a swaggering ladies' man at the top of his Game, or that of a dorky boy who is beating himself up over his pathetic inability to prevent yet another cruel rejection? (Or neither?)

(Yes, I know about the buttrape theory.)

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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Sat Jan 23, 2016 8:18 am

Good analysis, but I think we need to keep in perspective that it's just one day out of those 4 years, I don't think it's too representative to be quite honest, if they had only made more videos of them inside of the school, now that would have been great for analysis... I think it's kinda hard not to over analyze things based solely on this video.


Whenever I see this video I just see constant tension in Eric. He's definitely not comfortable at all in that surrounding, I think you're definitely right when you say that he tenses up with that jock encounter, he stops talking as if it's embarrassing for him to talk in front of those jocks, he doesn't want them to hear what he was saying, he doesn't want that used against him at all. Tension, his head towards the ground definitely shows submission and him just going through hoping not to get showed or hit.

In the first part of the video and the whole 'jacked up the ass' talk, I just see him as extremely bored, uncomfortable, not wanting to talk about those every day mundane, boring stuff. His friend got a job, who cares, I think he also feels very annoyed by the way that guy in that white shirt talked, I bet he was thinking "God, let this just end, I wanna go elsewhere. I want to talk about Doom, guns, anything else". I honestly see the whole first part of the video as a form of torture for him. The second part where he talked to that girl who said "Erics are cool", I think he's more relaxed, a bit more comfortable, not as tensed, maybe because not so many people were there, or maybe he felt not as exposed.


I always found that sound he made at the end of the video interesting and after a few seconds he says "I hate when people make that sound". Then why do you do it if you hate it? Seems to me he really wanted to be like other people, but kept repressing himself for some reason.
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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:15 pm


Don't forget that when the "wall of 4 jocks" were coming towards him that Eric DID NOT move out of the way at all and he went ahead of Mike towards them.

The head down was more of a protective measure in case they tried to hit his face or whatever.

If Eric was truly cowardly in the above encounter then he would have moved out of the way and/or would have slowed down etc.

Say what you will BUT it was Eric that forced the "wall" to move around him and not the other way around.

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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Sun Jan 24, 2016 11:54 am

I would also add that one should keep in mind that Eric knew he was being videotaped at the time, perhaps he would have acted and responded differently to the "wall of jocks," etc., if there were no cameras around.

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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Sun Jan 24, 2016 1:56 pm

Is the blonde chick from the beginning of the video the same person as the girl Eric and Mike talk to at the end? I always thought it was but I noticed the first girl has a slightly different voice and she is wearing a white short sleeved shirt with sweat pants. The other girl is wearing a long white sleeved shirt and blue jeans. But the fact that they both mention Ben Affleck made the think it was the same chick.

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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Sun Jan 24, 2016 2:19 pm

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Is the blonde chick from the beginning of the video the same person as the girl Eric and Mike talk to at the end? I always thought it was but I noticed the first girl has a slightly different voice and she is wearing a white short sleeved shirt with sweat pants. The other girl is wearing a long white sleeved shirt and blue jeans. But the fact that they both mention Ben Affleck made the think it was the same chick.
Same backpack too. I think it's the same girl. Maybe she changed clothing before going downstairs? That seems odd though. Why would she just up and change clothes in the middle of a school day? Unless she had phys-ed or something.

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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Sun Jan 24, 2016 2:51 pm

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Is the blonde chick from the beginning of the video the same person as the girl Eric and Mike talk to at the end? I always thought it was but I noticed the first girl has a slightly different voice and she is wearing a white short sleeved shirt with sweat pants. The other girl is wearing a long white sleeved shirt and blue jeans. But the fact that they both mention Ben Affleck made the think it was the same chick.
Same backpack too. I think it's the same girl. Maybe she changed clothing before going downstairs? That seems odd though. Why would she just up and change clothes in the middle of a school day? Unless she had phys-ed or something.

They were filmed on different days / times. Eric is also wearing different pants in both videos.


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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Sun Jan 24, 2016 3:21 pm

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Is the blonde chick from the beginning of the video the same person as the girl Eric and Mike talk to at the end? I always thought it was but I noticed the first girl has a slightly different voice and she is wearing a white short sleeved shirt with sweat pants. The other girl is wearing a long white sleeved shirt and blue jeans. But the fact that they both mention Ben Affleck made the think it was the same chick.
Same backpack too. I think it's the same girl. Maybe she changed clothing before going downstairs? That seems odd though. Why would she just up and change clothes in the middle of a school day? Unless she had phys-ed or something.

They were filmed on different days. Eric is also wearing different pants in both videos.
 But isn't he wearing the same shirt?

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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:07 pm

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Is the blonde chick from the beginning of the video the same person as the girl Eric and Mike talk to at the end? I always thought it was but I noticed the first girl has a slightly different voice and she is wearing a white short sleeved shirt with sweat pants. The other girl is wearing a long white sleeved shirt and blue jeans. But the fact that they both mention Ben Affleck made the think it was the same chick.
Same backpack too. I think it's the same girl. Maybe she changed clothing before going downstairs? That seems odd though. Why would she just up and change clothes in the middle of a school day? Unless she had phys-ed or something.

They were filmed on different days. Eric is also wearing different pants in both videos.
 But isn't he wearing the same shirt?

He is. I don't have any notes to hand but I'm sure the videos were filmed in two parts either at different times or on different days.
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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:40 pm

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Is the blonde chick from the beginning of the video the same person as the girl Eric and Mike talk to at the end? I always thought it was but I noticed the first girl has a slightly different voice and she is wearing a white short sleeved shirt with sweat pants. The other girl is wearing a long white sleeved shirt and blue jeans. But the fact that they both mention Ben Affleck made the think it was the same chick.
Same backpack too. I think it's the same girl. Maybe she changed clothing before going downstairs? That seems odd though. Why would she just up and change clothes in the middle of a school day? Unless she had phys-ed or something.

They were filmed on different days / times. Eric is also wearing different pants in both videos.
I thought Eric might have had different pants on. It looked like in the 2nd part of it he was wearing shorts. I definitely think it's the same girl though.

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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:52 pm

Anyone think it's possible to figure out who those jocks were in the hallway video?
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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:52 pm

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Is the blonde chick from the beginning of the video the same person as the girl Eric and Mike talk to at the end? I always thought it was but I noticed the first girl has a slightly different voice and she is wearing a white short sleeved shirt with sweat pants. The other girl is wearing a long white sleeved shirt and blue jeans. But the fact that they both mention Ben Affleck made the think it was the same chick.
Same backpack too. I think it's the same girl. Maybe she changed clothing before going downstairs? That seems odd though. Why would she just up and change clothes in the middle of a school day? Unless she had phys-ed or something.

They were filmed on different days / times. Eric is also wearing different pants in both videos.
I thought Eric might have had different pants on. It looked like in the 2nd part of it he was wearing shorts. I definitely think it's the same girl though.

The girl in both videos are Brandi Tinklenburg.

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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:28 am

"The wall of jocks" is the most exaggerated story in the history of the Columbine.

A group of people barely bump in the hall and we are supposed to believe this contributed to a school shooting. Give me a break.
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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:49 pm

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"The wall of jocks" is the most exaggerated story in the history of the Columbine.

A group of people barely bump in the hall and we are supposed to believe this contributed to a school shooting.  Give me a break.

It was the atmosphere of Columbine that contributed heavily to the shooting. The wall of jokes is merely an example of that atmosphere.

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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:00 pm

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"The wall of jocks" is the most exaggerated story in the history of the Columbine.

A group of people barely bump in the hall and we are supposed to believe this contributed to a school shooting.  Give me a break.

It was the atmosphere of Columbine that contributed heavily to the shooting. The wall of jokes is merely an example of that atmosphere.

Exactly. The wall of jocks was no defining factor, but it certainly displays the negativity in CHS - as well as being evidence that (sorry Cullen) E&D were not at the top of the food chain.

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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:22 pm

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"The wall of jocks" is the most exaggerated story in the history of the Columbine.

A group of people barely bump in the hall and we are supposed to believe this contributed to a school shooting. Give me a break.

One of the jocks is flipping off the camera. This shows the hostility that the jocks felt toward Eric and the other kids at the lower end of the totem pole.

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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:40 am

This kind of interaction happens in the hallway of every high school thousands of times a day. If this was a cause of high school shootings, they would be happening every day.

The cause of the shooting was not the jocks. It was whatever happened in Eric and Dylan that made them respond to a typical school atmosphere with the desire to kill 400 people most of whom they had never met.

That is the cause of Columbine. Not the music. Not the video games. Not the jocks.
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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:16 am

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This kind of interaction happens in the hallway of every high school thousands of times a day.  If this was a cause of high school shootings, they would be happening every day.

The cause of the shooting was not the jocks. It was whatever happened in Eric and Dylan that made them respond to a typical school atmosphere with the desire to kill 400 people most of whom they had never met.

That is the cause of Columbine.  Not the music.  Not the video games.  Not the jocks.

I don't know what kind of school you went to but that kind of harassment didn't happen at my school. So saying its typical is just bullshit. Sure there were jocks and outcasts at my school but for the most part, they stayed separate and left eachother alone. They teased eachother, sure. But never did they pulled a power play like we see in the wall of jocks. 

They clearly have room to walk past them without walking through them. This isnt a crowded hallway. The jocks see Eric and Mike and they turn right towards. As if they are saying "this is my fucking school get the fuck outta our way"

So you're saying that Eric and Dylan's high school experience had absolutely  no influence on thier desire to kill people AT THEIR SCHOOL?!
That makes very little sense to me....
If that's true then why didn't they attack anywhere else?

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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:43 pm

I've watched the wall of jocks video again and again over the years, desperately trying to see what everyone else is seeing that I am not.

1.  There is no flailing of arms.  Once again I must reiterate that Brooks is wrong.
2.  I don't see anyone flipping off the camera.  Is it the student on the right?  He's so pixelated that I can't see a damn thing.
3.  "The jocks plow right into them!"  Eric and Mike scoot right on past.   I guess hallway adequate dictates that the jocks were on the wrong side of the hallway.
4.  Is anyone ever going to comment on the fact that Mike turns around and says in a goofy voice, "I think you guys should be doing some video production stuff."?  Yeah, I can just see the seething hatred between the nerds and jocks.
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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Fri Jan 29, 2016 4:35 pm

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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:00 pm

So you have nothing to say about Mike saying, "Shouldn't you guys be doing some video production stuff?"? Here, I can make up a scenario too:

Those guys were in the same class. They know Mike and Eric V. and are on good terms with them. Dude on the right flips off the camera and then messes with Eric V. because he's horsing around. Mike turns around and jokes that they're horsing around rather than doing school stuff. Eric Harris takes it personally because he's an idiot.
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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:04 pm

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So you have nothing to say about Mike saying, "Shouldn't you guys be doing some video production stuff?"?  Here, I can make up a scenario too:

Those guys were in the same class.  They know Mike and Eric V. and are on good terms with them.  Dude on the right flips off the camera and then messes with Eric V. because he's horsing around.  Mike turns around and jokes that they're horsing around rather than doing school stuff.  Eric Harris takes it personally because he's an idiot.

Yes, you've hit the nail on the head - Eric is not Mike.

(But I hasten to add that, when Mike sees the jocks, he looks straight at them. He doesn't even look at Eric - Eric sees them, and then he shuts up and looks straight at them, too. If you can't tell that they're intimidated, then you don't know how to read body language.)

Mike pokes fun at Eric when Brandi humiliates him - "Eric got jacked up the ass!" Eric looks wounded. (How do you interpret the expression on his face.) But boys don't complain about such things - you're supposed to be a man and suck it up. But it's not good to suck things up all the time - the anger festers and eats away at you.

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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:07 pm

Confident or stupid ... I have seen many fighters tilt their chins up to other fighters and get KO


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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:08 pm

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Confident or stupid ... I have seen many fighters tilt their chins up to other fighters and get KO


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Yes, but Eric is not an MMA fighter ... he's a kid walking through the hallway. And these assholes are trying to trip him up.

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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:08 pm

The thing is that the jocks are daring the smaller boys to get out of the way. It is a power trip for them.

The one thing you never do is move out of the way ... that marks you as a total wuss.

Eric does not move, but he does lose his nerve. He looks down.

The way to "win" this kind of confrontation is to look straight ahead. (Look for something off in the distance - a door, maybe - and focus your eyes on it. Don't take your eyes off of it, no matter what.) If you can do that and not flinch, then you are signaling that you are not intimidated.

One time, when I was in school, I was going from classroom to classroom delivering newspapers. (I was on the school paper.)

A group of boys were trying to intimidate me, making dumb remarks.

Out of the corner of my eye, I saw that one was planning to jump out at me. I steeled myself and mentally said, "Don't react."

Sure enough, the dumbass kid jumped out at me and yelled "Boo!" ... and I didn't even react. I didn't look at him or anything. I kept right on walking. But I could hear the other boys muttering to themselves.

They never bothered me again - didn't even look at me.

But I was a lot bigger than Eric, even when I was a freshman. So it's not as if I had big guys challenging me left and right.

I have to admit that there were even times when I kind of tried to psych out other guys myself. There was this short guy who was a football player. (He was muscular and had a very pretty girlfriend.) I didn't "jump" him, per se, but when I passed him in the hallway I would kind of stand up to my full height to see how he reacted. He would pass me with a steely expression on his face, not even acknowledging my presence.

The thing is that boys (and some men) are always wanting to show that they're the top dog. They do lots of dumb things. But a little kid like Eric gets a lot more shit than a big one does.

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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:12 pm


... Eric and Dylan answered back with guns

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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:01 pm

For me the video is remarkable for how little conflict there seems to be between Eric and the jocks. If what I've been told about Columbine is true there should've been fists flying all over the place.  I don't see anything here but totally routine jostling among high school boys.  

I just cannot watch this and understand how someone could think it was the cause of mass murder.  The cause of mass murder was whatever was inside Eric that made them react to normal conflict with mass murder of people they didn't know
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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:18 pm

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For me the video is remarkable for how little conflict there seems to be between Eric and the jocks.  If what I've been told about Columbine is true there should've been fists flying all over the place.  I don't see anything here but totally routine jostling among high school boys.  

I just cannot watch this and understand how someone could think it was the cause of mass murder.  The cause of mass murder was whatever was inside Eric that made them react to normal conflict with mass murder of people they didn't know

This is just a grain of salt, a small snippet of the day. This could be the 10th time that something like that happened just on that day alone. We don't know.
Eric kind of looks like, "Oh here we go again, round 10 of the day", and just didn't have the energy to do anything but put his head down and muttle by. I guess only they would have that answer.
As far as that kind of bullying being the ONLY reason for the shooting, I don't agree. It was a mix of things, but I think we all know E & D's personally flaws that lead them to think and feel the way they did, by now.
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PostSubject: Re: The wall of jocks and "Eric got jacked up the ass"   Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:46 am

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For me the video is remarkable for how little conflict there seems to be between Eric and the jocks.  If what I've been told about Columbine is true there should've been fists flying all over the place.  I don't see anything here but totally routine jostling among high school boys.  

I just cannot watch this and understand how someone could think it was the cause of mass murder.  The cause of mass murder was whatever was inside Eric that made them react to normal conflict with mass murder of people they didn't know

This is just a grain of salt, a small snippet of the day. This could be the 10th time that something like that happened just on that day alone. We don't know.
Eric kind of looks like, "Oh here we go again, round 10 of the day", and just didn't have the energy to do anything but put his head down and muttle by. I guess only they would have that answer.
As far as that kind of bullying being the ONLY reason for the shooting, I don't agree. It was a mix of things, but I think we all know E & D's personally flaws that lead them to think and feel the way they did, by now.

When casual disrespect like that is a normal school experience, it has a way of inflaming anyone's personality flaws.

(ngl when I first watched this video I couldn't see anything out of the ordinary about it..."wuh? Isn't this how everyone gets treated by others?" Then I realized why I constantly felt angry at everyone and ashamed of myself.)
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