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PostSubject: Re: A Mothers Reckoning Book Responses   Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:35 am

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can i read this for free anywhere?

i'm poor

If you don’t mind audiobooks you can listen to it for free through scribd and Sue is the narrator.

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PostSubject: Re: A Mothers Reckoning Book Responses   Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:37 am

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PostSubject: Re: A Mothers Reckoning Book Responses   Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:21 pm

What does everyone think of Sue telling parents that they should read their kids' journals? I don't know if I agree with this. I can't image ever going through anyone's most private thoughts. That is a huge violation. I understand why she says this because of her situation. I suppose if you were really worried about your kid and they weren't telling you anything, but then when you tell them you read their journal, they're gonna be pretty pissed at you. I just don't think that's good advice.

She says that Dylan's "journal" was actually just scraps of paper and it sounds like she didn't even know he had them. Makes me wonder if he had a notebook filled with his thoughts and she found it while doing one of her room checks, if she would have read it?
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PostSubject: Re: A Mothers Reckoning Book Responses   Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:57 am

@Mariposa919 wrote:
What does everyone think of Sue telling parents that they should read their kids' journals? I don't know if I agree with this. I can't image ever going through anyone's most private thoughts. That is a huge violation. I understand why she says this because of her situation. I suppose if you were really worried about your kid and they weren't telling you anything, but then when you tell them you read their journal, they're gonna be pretty pissed at you. I just don't think that's good advice.

She says that Dylan's "journal" was actually just scraps of paper and it sounds like she didn't even know he had them. Makes me wonder if he had a notebook filled with his thoughts and she found it while doing one of her room checks, if she would have read it?  

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PostSubject: Re: A Mothers Reckoning Book Responses   Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:29 pm

The thing that stood out for me while reading the book and still continues to linger in my thoughts...is that Sue describes several times, moments in which Dylan was in serious pain and suffering from something that happened to him. He goes off on his own to cry and once even falls asleep under all his childhood stuffed animals. He even remarks to her that one occurence was the worst day of his life.

She's aware this has happened and aware of his responses and symptoms of despair, .and yet she does nothing.

She does not ask him what happened. She does not check in with him later to see how he is. She does not encourage him to tell her so she can help or even just listen to his story so he doesn't feel alone.

She simply leaves him on his own to cope with these obviously severe and tragic occurrences in his life without any support or understanding.
Kids need support. They need to know someone is there they can go to. Being a teenager is awful. Parents need to persue thier kids during times of trouble until they know whats going on. If not that then they need to follow up. Find out how their kids are doing afterwards. Find out if there is something they can do to help. Guide them along the rocky and dangerous slope of adolescents. Yes I know teenagers are very private but when your child is in distress you simply have to get in there until they are ready to talk. Get in their face and be so annoying they tell you just to shut you up. Whatever it takes.

She. Does. Nothing.

That poor kid. It breaks my heart.
If these are the stories she shared I wonder how many others occured that she didn't.
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PostSubject: Re: A Mothers Reckoning Book Responses   Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:37 pm

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The thing that stood out for me while reading the book and still continues to linger in my thoughts...is that Sue describes several times, moments in which Dylan was in serious pain and suffering from something that happened to him. He goes off on his own to cry and once even falls asleep under all his childhood stuffed animals. He even remarks to her that one occurence was the worst day of his life.

She's aware this has happened and aware of his responses and symptoms of despair, .and yet she does nothing.

She does not ask him what happened. She does not check in with him later to see how he is.  She does not encourage him to tell her so she can help or even just listen to his story so he doesn't feel alone.

She simply leaves him on his own to cope with these obviously severe and tragic occurrences in his life without any support or understanding.
Kids need support. They need to know someone is there they can go to. Being a teenager is awful. Parents need to persue thier kids during times of trouble until they know whats going on.  If not that then they need to follow up. Find out how their kids are doing afterwards. Find out if there is something they can do to help. Guide them along the rocky and dangerous slope of adolescents. Yes I know teenagers are very private but when your child is in distress you simply have to get in there until they are ready to talk. Get in their face and be so annoying they tell you just to shut you up. Whatever it takes.

She. Does. Nothing.

That poor kid. It breaks my heart.



If these are the stories she shared I wonder how many others occured that she didn't.


Those resonated with me too. I know that he was really self-sufficient but he was still a child. He wasn’t a little adult. And he was suffering.

Another thing about the Mother’s Day incident when he says he can’t control his anger. If Dylan was always been such a gentle person why would that not shock her more?


Though she does talk about all the regrets she had about that day


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PostSubject: Re: A Mothers Reckoning Book Responses   Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:07 pm

Exactly. She seemed to "check out" when he needed her. This probably made him feel even more alone and isolated. Without a support system or source of help. Things could have been a lot different. No one is a perfect parent though and we all make mistakes we regret.
I just do not understand how she could stand and watch with out doing anything. She could have just brought him his favorite dessert so he knew she cared that he was hurting. Life could have been very different for him.

Eric's parents did care about him and were doing "all the right tbings" for him. We do not know what went on but he did have a psychiatrist, a counsellor and was on medication for his mental health. This shows that they were not just standing by and watching him struggle. They may have have made mistakes but i do think they honestly cared and were trying to get him help. We will probably never know how much they knew about what Eric was planning.

That being said there were a lot of missed red flags but now that being said neither boy was struggling their entire life with mental instability and violent tendencies like that of a child who has spent thier entire life needing help. I don't think either parent imagined in any way what actually happened.

There was a mother of a troubled boy that wrote a letter about her son after the Sandy hook tragedy. She knew her son was capable of being the next Adam Lanza. Neither Eric or Dylan went through this life long struggle. I believe it was only a few years before thier deaths in which they struggled and suffered with mental health issues. I'll try to find that letter....
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PostSubject: Re: A Mothers Reckoning Book Responses   Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:10 pm

So this is an article about the boy compared to Adam Lanza by his mom. The original blog link is in the article.

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PostSubject: Who was the four people Dylan let live?   Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:07 pm

To read over and over again that Dylan let four people live I was confused as to who it was?
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PostSubject: Re: A Mothers Reckoning Book Responses   Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:48 pm

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To read over and over again that Dylan let four people live I was confused as to who it was?

Evan Todd and John Savage both in the library, Tim Castle who was supposedly crawling in the ceiling when Dylan saw him and chose not to shoot him, I am blanking on the last one claimed but some say that Val Schnurr also counts due to the fact she was left alive

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PostSubject: Re: A Mothers Reckoning Book Responses   Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:19 pm

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To read over and over again that Dylan let four people live I was confused as to who it was?

Evan Todd and John Savage both in the library, Tim Castle who was supposedly crawling in the ceiling when Dylan saw him and chose not to shoot him, I am blanking on the last one claimed but some say that Val Schnurr also counts due to the fact she was left alive

Val Schnurr and Evan Todd were "spared" by both. I have a feeling Amanda Stair was also spared (possibly recognized). People on both sides of her died, but she did not.

In this sense there's many more library witnessess spared. There's the girls who got the "Pathetic!" quote, but who weren't shot for instance. I'm not sure the truth is as easy as just grouping people into "killed" and "spared" groups. Some were wounded, likely with the intention of being killed (Val), but once wounded E&D left them alive knowing they are just wounded not dead.

Overall the library shooting (with a few exceptions such as Kyle or Isaiah) victims seem very random. Despite Eric's rants in his diary, there was no "Kill em'all!" mentality displayed. They killed several people at random, but they also spared people at random. There was no single-minded drive to "shoot as many people in the head repeatedly" as would be later made by Cho or Lanza. E&D were not aiming for the highets possible bodycount, at least not in the library.

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