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PostSubject: I wonder…   Thu Mar 24, 2016 1:27 pm

After reading Columbine by Dave Cullen, I have a few questions/thoughts. I know that I nor anyone make might ever know the reality of what happened but I'm curious to see other opinions.
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PostSubject: Re: I wonder…   Thu Mar 24, 2016 3:01 pm

1. Did Patrick Ireland regained consciousness at any point when Erlc and Dylan reentered the library?
2. How close where E&D's dead bodies to those of their victims?
3. Do you think Dylan saw Patti Nielson hiding under the librarian's desk and chose to not kill her?
4. Did Eric's parents really tell the police that they did not think their son was involved? Because I heard a 911 call from his father clearly connecting Eric to the shooting in progress?
5. Why did the police move Rachel almost immediately but left Danny lying dead on the sidewalk for days?
6. That Misty Bernall is a real piece of work.
7. Did Dylan really have second thoughts about going through with it after the propane bombs failed to go off in the cafeteria? Because he seems to be having the time of his life in the 911 call from the library?
8. The three hours it took for the police/SWAT to enter the school and then the evacuation of the students helping to keep him alive resulted in Dave Sanders.
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PostSubject: Re: I wonder…   Thu Mar 24, 2016 3:33 pm

NotYourRobot wrote:
1. Did Patrick Ireland regained consciousness at any point when Erlc and Dylan reentered the library?
2. How close where E&D's dead bodies to those of their victims?
3. Do you think Dylan saw Patti Nielson hiding under the librarian's desk and chose to not kill her?
4. Did Eric's parents really tell the police that they did not think their son was involved? Because I heard a 911 call from his father clearly connecting Eric to the shooting in progress?
5. Why did the police move Rachel almost immediately but left Danny lying dead on the sidewalk for days?
6. That Misty Bernall is a real piece of work.
7. Did Dylan really have second thoughts about going through with it after the propane bombs failed to go off in the cafeteria? Because he seems to be having the time of his life in the 911 call from the library?
8. The three hours it took for the police/SWAT to enter the school and then the evacuation of the students helping to keep him alive resulted in Dave Sanders.
1. No, he isn't able to recall anything about Dylan and Eric after he was shot.
2. Here is a diagram of the Library with Dylan and Eric's bodies (in black) and their victims (in gray).
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3. If Dylan did see her, he never made any indication that he was aware she was there.
4. No. Wayne Harris called the police and said "I think my son may be involved in the shooting at Columbine High School".
5. I really don't know why they kept moving Rachel's body all around. As for Danny, I can only assume they checked to see if he was alive and once they knew he wasn't, his body had to remain there until the crime scene was cleared and the coroner arrived, which apparently wasn't until the following day. None of the bodies left Columbine until April 21st.
7. No, as far as we can tell, Dylan never had second thoughts. He was running around, screaming and laughing and bullying all the kids before he shot them. Cullen would like you to believe that Dylan was this depressed little follower who was pressured into the shooting by Eric. That however wasn't the case and most of the evidence points to the idea actually being Dylan's.
8. Yes, Dave Sanders died because it took Swat forever to enter the school and by time any help got to him (even though students put a sign in the window letting the police know that someone was in that room bleeding to death) it was hours later and he had already died.

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PostSubject: Re: I wonder…   Thu Mar 24, 2016 4:26 pm

Thank you so much! My heads been spinning since I read that book.
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PostSubject: Re: I wonder…   Thu Mar 24, 2016 5:50 pm

Please just look up Cullen on this board and you will see tons of evidence against him and his book.

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PostSubject: Re: I wonder…   Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:27 pm

I don't remember who said it but apparently she was injured and tried to keep completely silent because she overheard E&D raving about stabbing someone, so who was stabbed?

One more thing, has Patrick ever expressed any anger at being left behind by the people at his table?
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PostSubject: Re: I wonder…   Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:35 pm

NotYourRobot wrote:
I don't remember who said it but apparently she was injured and tried to keep completely silent because she overheard E&D raving about stabbing someone, so who was stabbed?

One more thing, has Patrick ever expressed any anger at being left behind by the people at his table?
No one at Columbine was stabbed. They had knives on them but they didn't use them. And I've never read anything about Patrick being upset/angry about being left behind. He was shot in the head, his friends probably thought he was dead. And they were injured themselves, they wouldn't have been able to lift him and carry him out. They probably figured they could let police know there was others in the Library who were dead/injured and that they'd help them. No one could've imagined they'd let them sit there for 3 hours.

In the end, Patrick had to save himself, which is sad and horrifying, because here all these police were right outside the school and no one helped him and had he not dragged himself out the window, he probably would have died just like Dave Sanders.

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PostSubject: Re: I wonder…   Thu Mar 24, 2016 7:32 pm

I found the "stabbing" story from Jennifer Doyle (this site won't let me post the external link for 7 days but I will when I can) it really confused me because I knew they carried knives but I never read about a stab wound.
And Patrick, his strength and bravery at 17 completely fascinated me.
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PostSubject: Re: I wonder…   Thu Mar 24, 2016 7:43 pm

NotYourRobot wrote:
I found the "stabbing" story from Jennifer Doyle (this site won't let me post the external link for 7 days but I will when I can) it really confused me because I knew they carried knives but I never read about a stab wound.
And Patrick, his strength and bravery at 17 completely fascinated me.
Yes, they mentioned something about being bored with shooting people and that maybe stabbing people would be more fun but they never actually did it.

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