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PostSubject: Re: highlights of the 11k   Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:52 am

I don't know I want to give the Harrises the benefit of the doubt. I want to think that their cold exterior is a facade. That they are saying their son was a psycho and having very little interaction so they are not criticized. Look at how much fire Sue has come under for saying anything positive about her son that she loved for 17 years. Regardless of what she has to say about whose fault it was etc.

As a parent myself I cannot imagine just turning my back on my child.

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PostSubject: Re: highlights of the 11k   Thu Jun 02, 2016 4:24 pm

Just something I saw on one of the 11k pages that was an ad on the internet at the time. Not really Columbine related but I was Shocked about it![You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

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PostSubject: Re: highlights of the 11k   Thu Jun 02, 2016 4:53 pm

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PostSubject: Re: highlights of the 11k   Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:27 pm

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I'll not lose any sleep over that vile creature not having a service.


I know you hate him very much but I believe everyone deserves a service and a decent burial.
It's just a basic human right.

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PostSubject: Re: highlights of the 11k   Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:41 pm

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I don't know...in terms of what happened after their death and what their family did I have no info or reports on it. From that statement out of the 11K, if it's true, it's plain devastating. I'm just gonna put it to my mind that maybe the Harrises simply claim they're not having a service just to put it out there but they really did something personally between themselves for Eric. If it helps me sleep at night.

and yet If they didn't, it's morbidly unsurprising to me as they come off like the type of people who sweep dirt under the rug if they didn't like it, and will not deal or empathise with it - just like military families.


Kiwik, liquorvamp, LizPuff,
I just cannot believe that Eric's family never had any kind of a service for him at all.I think I would have to see some concrete proof that they didn't.
Maybe they had a service for him outside the funeral home once they received his ashes.Maybe they had one in their own home.No matter if it was inside the funeral home or out, the only thing that matters is if they ultimately did.
I do believe Eric's parent's loved him and have suffered over his loss.I can't believe that even to this day they don't still miss him and think of him.He was their child and they raised him for 18 years.While I do wish they speak out in his defense like Dylan's Mother does ,I have to remind myself that I haven't been through the awful ordeal they've been through and must give them the benefit of the doubt on a fundamental level.

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PostSubject: Re: highlights of the 11k   Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:59 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I agree, I believe his parents did love him. I think a lot of their silence is due to what their attorney has advised them to do. It even states in the 11k that when the cops arrived at their house on 4/20, one of their main concerns was repercussions from the victims' families. They seem to be very legal conscience.

Up until reading that statement in the 11k, I had read way back that his family did hold a private service for him. That's why I was so surprised that this document listed that there would be no services for him. Especially since Dylan got one. If Dylan deserved one then so did Eric in my opinion.
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PostSubject: Re: highlights of the 11k   Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:18 pm

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I agree, I believe his parents did love him. I think a lot of their silence is due to what their attorney has advised them to do. It even states in the 11k that when the cops arrived at their house on 4/20, one of their main concerns was repercussions from the victims' families. They seem to be very legal conscience.

Up until reading that statement in the 11k, I had read way back that his family did hold a private service for him. That's why I was so surprised that this document listed that there would be no services for him. Especially since Dylan got one.  If Dylan deserved one then so did Eric in my opinion.

I agree.I'm sure Eric's parents were concerned about legal repercussions but at first I think they were mainly afraid that some of the other parents might try to hunt them down and kill them or something.
I can't blame them for being very afraid.People who are out of their minds with grief are not rational.Anything could have possibly happened.

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PostSubject: Re: highlights of the 11k   Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:50 pm

Been stuck in kinda a rut with the 11k. A lot of duplicate leads and bogus information.

Anyway....PG 22574 The "bitch" in gym class.[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

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PostSubject: Re: highlights of the 11k   Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:29 pm

Thought I would include this. It is Tom and Sue's interview from the 20. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
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PostSubject: Re: highlights of the 11k   Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:51 pm

Btw congratulations on making through the 11K [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I love you Hahah

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PostSubject: Re: highlights of the 11k   Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:12 pm

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Btw congratulations on making through the 11K [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I love you Hahah

LMAO I am so close to done! I have read every single page. Big accomplishment....Also a sign I need a hobby
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PostSubject: Re: highlights of the 11k   Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:08 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I realize this is a very old thread, but wanted to respond to what has been said above regarding McEwen. Apologies for the long comment...aside from having info to tell that to my knowledge is incorrect and/or not known, much is telling my relation to McEwen and his family...but I also tend to be rather wordy in anything I write. While I have told a few people over all these years the general gist of what McEwen had told me about his relationship as coworkers with Eric and Dylan and what he knew (which is not fully documented to my knowledge, and goes further than what you posted pertaining to an interview with him and his mother, a now former teacher at Ken Caryl Middle School)...this is only the 2nd comment I've ever made of it, and didn't go near the depth I will here, because McEwen knew much more than what is described in your post. I would however like to state that I had absolute zero knowledge of anything relating to persons and the tragic events at Columbine HS until after the fact, and have absolutely no culpability in what transpired...I am speaking purely from the perspective of what my best friend (McEwen) had confided in me after the fact regarding what he knew and legal repercussions brought unto him in the hours and days following April 20, 1999. I grew up in the same area and knew him (McEwen) practically my entire life up until the day he took his own life in 2006 following a series of tragic events. McEwen was the best friend I've ever had, and I was quite close with both of his parents (his mother was a big part in our Boy Scout troop that McEwen and I were part of, and I leisurely partook in a competition shooting team she ran (before he could no longer be around firearms due to legal trouble, McEwen and I often shot skeet at clay pigeons in a nearby field in our area that is within a short walking distance of his home. At least at the time was perfectly fine and legal to do so. I later found while watching the news that this area was one of the "practice" areas for Eric and Dylan. There is no connection or correlation I am aware of as there were/still are many outdoor areas that hunting and target shooting are legal within this area) and friendly acquaintances with his two older brothers (one of whom I became just as close and good of friends with, particularly after McEwen's passing in 2006)..  Because of how close I had been with the McEwen family nearly all my life, this brother often told me that my friendship was a comfort to him because of how close I had been with his brother. McEwen referred to me as his "protegè" for a number of years, and this brother had often thought of himself as a mentor to me (which he was, and helped me through some very difficult times prior to his own passing a few years later from an unknown heart issue). More to the point and going back to 1999, I was days away from turning 13 years old and was at Swedish Hospital for my mother undergoing a major heart surgery when the shooting broke out (I had been told that if it broke out 5 min sooner her surgery would've been delayed to redirect attention to the incoming victims; which would have meant losing her given the circumstances). During that time in the ICU waiting room I saw six of the victims go by after their surgeries, and a frantic mother who's daughter attended Columbine was there in ICU waiting room for reasons of her own, and unable to get ahold of her daughter for several hours (cell phone use then was nothing like today). I was unaware of any kind of relationship he had with Eric or Dylan outside of being coworkers, never met or spoke to either of them myself, but do recall McEwen mentioning someone named "Reb" on occasion to the capacity that seemed like a friendly acquaintance. It wouldn't be until after the events at Columbine HS that I came to know this as a nickname that Eric went by. I can't remember exactly when, but within the week following the events at Columbine HS, and gradually over the next few following weeks, McEwen had told me he knew everything about Eric and Dylan's plans, and that there was another coworker he didn't particularly care for that talked and acted as if he was part of that "trench coat mafia" (as I recall, McEwen spoke of him as something of a "wannabe", a punk, an idiot, and someone who exaggerated and bragged about many things. I don't remember the name McEwen had said, but I assume this to be Chuck Morris based on anything else said of him). He (McEwen) had said, numerous times, that he knew every detail of their plans and how they were going to orchestrate them. He knew what they had acquired and where they obtained the weapons and other materials, that they planned a diversion (the small explosion further south on Pierce St.), that they had done "dry runs" of the attacks and described every step of their plans. Also that he spoke to Eric on their way to the school on April 20 (where the interview you cite says they sped off when McEwen attempted approaching them...McEwen never told me *what* was said other than him (McEwen) telling them (Eric and Dylan) not to do this, but did tell me he knew that was the moment he realized they were following through on their plans, and that Eric and Dylan were both dressed in black, with black duffle bags on the seats). He also told me prior to April 20, 1999 (don't know exactly when) that he went to JeffCo Sheriff Dept to report what he knew (which for McEwen was *extremely* out of character. For him to do so meant he knew the threat was more than just "talk" or "venting" as people thought, which he told me he knew based on what Eric and Dylan had told and shown him. I do not know what McEwen was told or shown outside of what I described above). Within hours of the shooting and before the "third shooter" theory by law enforcement became publicly reported, McEwen was temporarily detained as being that third person. He told me it seemed like the entire JeffCo and Douglas counties Sheriff departments were speeding towards his home (McEwen lived in Douglas County with his parents...it's technically unincorporated JeffCo, but the grid lines and for mail purpose puts this area into Douglas County, a stones throw from JeffCo). He told me the judge, which knew him and vice versa because of McEwen's past legal troubles, knew he wasn't the third shooter, and the events of that morning gave him an alibi (his appointment with Shiloh House) and released him. Even years after that day on April 20, 1999, McEwen was bothered by the fact nothing he said was taken seriously, and had told me he wasn't believed because of his own criminal record, particularly the multiple felonies. This fact bothered him and for many years, occasionally mentioned it while saying that if only he had been believed that this tragedy never would have happened. I may be missing a few details here and there with how scattered this likely reads to others, and some info may seem jumbled, but feel free to ask any questions. I will answer the best I can. 
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PostSubject: Re: highlights of the 11k   Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:55 am

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I realize this is a very old thread, but wanted to respond to what has been said above regarding McEwen. Apologies for the long comment...aside from having info to tell that to my knowledge is incorrect and/or not known, much is telling my relation to McEwen and his family...but I also tend to be rather wordy in anything I write. While I have told a few people over all these years the general gist of what McEwen had told me about his relationship as coworkers with Eric and Dylan and what he knew (which is not fully documented to my knowledge, and goes further than what you posted pertaining to an interview with him and his mother, a now former teacher at Ken Caryl Middle School)...this is only the 2nd comment I've ever made of it, and didn't go near the depth I will here, because McEwen knew much more than what is described in your post. I would however like to state that I had absolute zero knowledge of anything relating to persons and the tragic events at Columbine HS until after the fact, and have absolutely no culpability in what transpired...I am speaking purely from the perspective of what my best friend (McEwen) had confided in me after the fact regarding what he knew and legal repercussions brought unto him in the hours and days following April 20, 1999. I grew up in the same area and knew him (McEwen) practically my entire life up until the day he took his own life in 2006 following a series of tragic events. McEwen was the best friend I've ever had, and I was quite close with both of his parents (his mother was a big part in our Boy Scout troop that McEwen and I were part of, and I leisurely partook in a competition shooting team she ran (before he could no longer be around firearms due to legal trouble, McEwen and I often shot skeet at clay pigeons in a nearby field in our area that is within a short walking distance of his home. At least at the time was perfectly fine and legal to do so. I later found while watching the news that this area was one of the "practice" areas for Eric and Dylan. There is no connection or correlation I am aware of as there were/still are many outdoor areas that hunting and target shooting are legal within this area) and friendly acquaintances with his two older brothers (one of whom I became just as close and good of friends with, particularly after McEwen's passing in 2006)..  Because of how close I had been with the McEwen family nearly all my life, this brother often told me that my friendship was a comfort to him because of how close I had been with his brother. McEwen referred to me as his "protegè" for a number of years, and this brother had often thought of himself as a mentor to me (which he was, and helped me through some very difficult times prior to his own passing a few years later from an unknown heart issue). More to the point and going back to 1999, I was days away from turning 13 years old and was at Swedish Hospital for my mother undergoing a major heart surgery when the shooting broke out (I had been told that if it broke out 5 min sooner her surgery would've been delayed to redirect attention to the incoming victims; which would have meant losing her given the circumstances). During that time in the ICU waiting room I saw six of the victims go by after their surgeries, and a frantic mother who's daughter attended Columbine was there in ICU waiting room for reasons of her own, and unable to get ahold of her daughter for several hours (cell phone use then was nothing like today). I was unaware of any kind of relationship he had with Eric or Dylan outside of being coworkers, never met or spoke to either of them myself, but do recall McEwen mentioning someone named "Reb" on occasion to the capacity that seemed like a friendly acquaintance. It wouldn't be until after the events at Columbine HS that I came to know this as a nickname that Eric went by. I can't remember exactly when, but within the week following the events at Columbine HS, and gradually over the next few following weeks, McEwen had told me he knew everything about Eric and Dylan's plans, and that there was another coworker he didn't particularly care for that talked and acted as if he was part of that "trench coat mafia" (as I recall, McEwen spoke of him as something of a "wannabe", a punk, an idiot, and someone who exaggerated and bragged about many things. I don't remember the name McEwen had said, but I assume this to be Chuck Morris based on anything else said of him). He (McEwen) had said, numerous times, that he knew every detail of their plans and how they were going to orchestrate them. He knew what they had acquired and where they obtained the weapons and other materials, that they planned a diversion (the small explosion further south on Pierce St.), that they had done "dry runs" of the attacks and described every step of their plans. Also that he spoke to Eric on their way to the school on April 20 (where the interview you cite says they sped off when McEwen attempted approaching them...McEwen never told me *what* was said other than him (McEwen) telling them (Eric and Dylan) not to do this, but did tell me he knew that was the moment he realized they were following through on their plans, and that Eric and Dylan were both dressed in black, with black duffle bags on the seats). He also told me prior to April 20, 1999 (don't know exactly when) that he went to JeffCo Sheriff Dept to report what he knew (which for McEwen was *extremely* out of character. For him to do so meant he knew the threat was more than just "talk" or "venting" as people thought, which he told me he knew based on what Eric and Dylan had told and shown him. I do not know what McEwen was told or shown outside of what I described above). Within hours of the shooting and before the "third shooter" theory by law enforcement became publicly reported, McEwen was temporarily detained as being that third person. He told me it seemed like the entire JeffCo and Douglas counties Sheriff departments were speeding towards his home (McEwen lived in Douglas County with his parents...it's technically unincorporated JeffCo, but the grid lines and for mail purpose puts this area into Douglas County, a stones throw from JeffCo). He told me the judge, which knew him and vice versa because of McEwen's past legal troubles, knew he wasn't the third shooter, and the events of that morning gave him an alibi (his appointment with Shiloh House) and released him. Even years after that day on April 20, 1999, McEwen was bothered by the fact nothing he said was taken seriously, and had told me he wasn't believed because of his own criminal record, particularly the multiple felonies. This fact bothered him and for many years, occasionally mentioned it while saying that if only he had been believed that this tragedy never would have happened. I may be missing a few details here and there with how scattered this likely reads to others, and some info may seem jumbled, but feel free to ask any questions. I will answer the best I can. 

Well that is interesting. Thank you for sharing. I am sorry for the loss of your friend.

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PostSubject: Re: highlights of the 11k   Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:32 am

This report disturbs me more than any other Columbine related evidence I've seen/read for some reason.
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PostSubject: Re: highlights of the 11k   Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:27 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], hopefully it adds a little to the info following the aftermath. I still get goosebumps every time I drive by Columbine (and still can't believe they re-opened the school with bullet holes in the walls...that was a big topic in our local news). I've occasionally and very briefly looked up info, and that interview you posted about McEwen giving has been the single biggest piece of I've found. Aside from the fact McEwen was a smooth talker who undoubtedly gave just enough info for appeasement in the interview you cited, I knew there was more to it I wanted to share that to my knowledge isn't known or documented (like how Eric and Dylan *didn't* speed off when McEwen tried approaching them, he spoke to at least Eric, and how he told JeffCo Sherriff every last detail of their plans but wasn't believed, then was ironically detained as 3rd shooter *because* of what he said/specific details he knew. Especially since he was only detained, I'd be surprised if there's any records of it outside his parole officer's papers, but years ago found a short piece mentioning it). That time was right after McEwen had just finished serving a few years in prison, and aside from his demeanor towards law enforcement, I'd bet dollars to rocks he told enough to give what ppl wanted of him without incriminating himself. Again, apologies for such a novel of a comment, but hope it helps fill in some gaps.
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PostSubject: Re: highlights of the 11k   Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:35 pm

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], hopefully it adds a little to the info following the aftermath. I still get goosebumps every time I drive by Columbine (and still can't believe they re-opened the school with bullet holes in the walls...that was a big topic in our local news). I've occasionally and very briefly looked up info, and that interview you posted about McEwen giving has been the single biggest piece of I've found.  Aside from the fact McEwen was a smooth talker who undoubtedly gave just enough info for appeasement in the interview you cited, I knew there was more to it I wanted to share that to my knowledge isn't known or documented (like how Eric and Dylan *didn't* speed off when McEwen tried approaching them, he spoke to at least Eric, and how he told JeffCo Sherriff every last detail of their plans but wasn't believed, then was ironically detained as 3rd shooter *because* of what he said/specific details he knew. Especially since he was only detained, I'd be surprised if there's any records of it outside his parole officer's papers, but years ago found a short piece mentioning it). That time was right after McEwen had just finished serving a few years in prison, and aside from his demeanor towards law enforcement, I'd bet dollars to rocks he told enough to give what ppl wanted of him without incriminating himself. Again, apologies for such a novel of a comment, but hope it helps fill in some gaps.

It is always a rare treat to hear from someone that close to the area. I hope you stick around to hear more from you

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PostSubject: Re: highlights of the 11k   Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:44 pm

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"This report disturbs me more than any other Columbine related evidence I've seen/read for some reason."

You mean what I said/posted? Sorry, I didn't mean it to come off as disturbing...meant it to be informative by passing along first hand info that to my knowledge isn't known or documented.
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PostSubject: Re: highlights of the 11k   Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:50 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], of course, and feel free to ask any questions. This has been the most informative source I've ever found over the years when I have occasionally looked for bits and pieces of info (mostly pertaining to McEwen)...so I'm gonna stick around.
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PostSubject: Re: highlights of the 11k   Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:16 pm

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], of course, and feel free to ask any questions. This has been the most informative source I've ever found over the years when I have occasionally looked for bits and pieces of info (mostly pertaining to McEwen)...so I'm gonna stick around.


Oh Gosh no!!!!! I apologize.not you at all, the whole report in general. Reading the excerpts in the thread, recounts of what happened.. for some reason it gets under my skin more than the basement tape transcripts, suicide photos...journals
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