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PostSubject: Re: Patti Neilson   Thu May 12, 2016 1:34 pm

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I always wonder if Randy and Judy can even carry on a real conversation that does not revolve around Columbine.  I mean they turned Brooks' room into an evidence room....Randy seems to be online all the time on things like Amazon putting his "comments" into Columbine book reviews and other nonsense....I just think they are all too wrapped up in what happened.

Wow, really? And Brooks wasn't killed...imagine if he had been. They really need to forgive, give it a rest, and move on, just as many of the victims' parents have.

Maybe they (Randy especially) just like the attention.

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PostSubject: Re: Patti Neilson   Thu May 12, 2016 1:48 pm

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I always wonder if Randy and Judy can even carry on a real conversation that does not revolve around Columbine.  I mean they turned Brooks' room into an evidence room....Randy seems to be online all the time on things like Amazon putting his "comments" into Columbine book reviews and other nonsense....I just think they are all too wrapped up in what happened.

Wow, really? And Brooks wasn't killed...imagine if he had been.  They really need to forgive, give it a rest, and move on, just as many of the victims' parents have.

Maybe they (Randy especially) just like the attention.

Yep. In a Columbine Documentary, Randy leads the camera to a room stacked with tons of folders of evidence and photos and boxes of stuff and that used to be Brooks' room.

I saw Randy on Cullen's book reviews on amazon and clicked on his amazon screen name. The results were just pages and pages of him stating the same facts and arguing with people about Columbine. And it spanned years. Poor guy needs a break.
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PostSubject: Re: Patti Neilson   Thu May 12, 2016 1:50 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] maybe they strongly felt they could have been heroes, because of the prior complaints that Judy made. at that point of time she looked like an uppity uptight mother but Eric and Dylan ended being killers, both who had been friends with Brooks. Of course, years have passed and they should move on however I'm just throwing in a reason as to why they may have been hung up on the case. There was one documentary though where they interviewed Randy and whoaaa he had like, a shelf or, closet? of files and files and papers/reports on the case and that really shocked me. He had them organized and everything.

edit: lol yup LizPuff brought up the same footage I saw Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Patti Neilson   Thu May 12, 2016 1:56 pm

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] maybe they strongly felt they could have been heroes, because of the prior complaints that Judy made. at that point of time she looked like an uppity uptight mother but Eric and Dylan ended being killers, both who had been friends with Brooks. Of course, years have passed and they should move on however I'm just throwing in a reason as to why they may have been hung up on the case. There was one documentary though where they interviewed Randy and whoaaa he had like, a shelf or, closet? of files and files and papers/reports on the case and that really shocked me. He had them organized and everything.

edit: lol yup LizPuff brought up the same footage I saw Laughing

LOL at that documentary though... Not very factual but interesting. I lol at the fact that they called Brooks a "her" several times
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PostSubject: Re: Patti Neilson   Thu May 12, 2016 3:11 pm

Im amused by the direction this thread is going regarding the Browns and their obsession. Seems to me that we are ALL a little (or alot) obessessed with Columbine. We pour over information and hunger for more. We discuss and debate every possible scenario. Searching for answers that we will never have. The majority on this board have no connection to the events or people involved in the tragedy. Yet here WE are. The browns experienced the event first hand. I can see how and why they would be obsessed to such an extreme. I dont know i just found it funny that people on this board (especially) would tell the browns to move on and let it go etc... Just sayin.
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PostSubject: Re: Patti Neilson   Thu May 12, 2016 3:33 pm

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Im amused by the direction this thread is going regarding the Browns and their obsession.  Seems to me that we are ALL a little (or alot) obessessed with Columbine. We pour over information and hunger for more. We discuss and debate every possible scenario. Searching for answers that we will never have.  The majority on this board have no connection to the events or people involved in the tragedy. Yet here WE are.  The browns experienced the event first hand. I can see how and why they would be obsessed to such an extreme.  I dont know i just found it funny that people on this board (especially) would tell the browns to move on and let it go etc... Just sayin.

Probably a true statement right there lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Patti Neilson   Thu May 12, 2016 9:00 pm

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Im amused by the direction this thread is going regarding the Browns and their obsession.  Seems to me that we are ALL a little (or alot) obessessed with Columbine. We pour over information and hunger for more. We discuss and debate every possible scenario. Searching for answers that we will never have.  The majority on this board have no connection to the events or people involved in the tragedy. Yet here WE are.  The browns experienced the event first hand. I can see how and why they would be obsessed to such an extreme.  I dont know i just found it funny that people on this board (especially) would tell the browns to move on and let it go etc... Just sayin.

Yes, believe me, the irony was not lost on me when I wrote what I did.

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PostSubject: Re: Patti Neilson   Thu May 12, 2016 10:03 pm

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Im amused by the direction this thread is going regarding the Browns and their obsession.  Seems to me that we are ALL a little (or alot) obessessed with Columbine. We pour over information and hunger for more. We discuss and debate every possible scenario. Searching for answers that we will never have.  The majority on this board have no connection to the events or people involved in the tragedy. Yet here WE are.  The browns experienced the event first hand. I can see how and why they would be obsessed to such an extreme.  I dont know i just found it funny that people on this board (especially) would tell the browns to move on and let it go etc... Just sayin.

I'm pretty thankful that the Browns took such an interest in the case!  I'm glad they came forward with the truth about how they tried to warn the police about Eric. It paints a much clearer picture of Jeffco at the time.
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PostSubject: Re: Patti Neilson   Thu May 12, 2016 10:34 pm

I think for a long time the Browns did take things to an extreme degree.If you read a news story about Columbine either Randy or Judy or both were quoted.They showed up in every documentary.
They were often interviewed on news reports.This went on for about a decade.But the last big public showing from the Browns about this that I'm aware of was Randy speaking up against Cullen's book,so I think to a large extent they have moved on.They'll never forget it since this involved people they knew and they used to be friends with some of the victims families after they fell out with the Klebolds(not sure if they still are) but they seemed to have moved on greatly from how they used to be.

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PostSubject: Re: Patti Neilson   Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:58 am

My personal opinion is that say Patti Nielson had somehow managed to evacuate the library. What's left? Many classrooms where children were huddled inside, basically sitting ducks. A locked door is nothing for a 12 gauge loaded with .00 buck.

So what we've termed as the library massacre would instead be Math Room 3 or something. There were just too many kids still inside, their only security a locked door or a table or something pushed against the door.
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PostSubject: Re: Patti Neilson   Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:07 am

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My personal opinion is that say Patti Nielson had somehow managed to evacuate the library. What's left? Many classrooms where children were huddled inside, basically sitting ducks. A locked door is nothing for a 12 gauge loaded with .00 buck.

So what we've termed as the library massacre would instead be Math Room 3 or something. There were just too many kids still inside, their only security a locked door or a table or something pushed against the door.

Agreed. She was in between a rock and a hard place and didn't know where to go and what to do. If she had managed to lock the door to the library I Doubt it would have made a difference.
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PostSubject: Re: Patti Neilson   Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:35 am

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My personal opinion is that say Patti Nielson had somehow managed to evacuate the library. What's left? Many classrooms where children were huddled inside, basically sitting ducks. A locked door is nothing for a 12 gauge loaded with .00 buck.

So what we've termed as the library massacre would instead be Math Room 3 or something. There were just too many kids still inside, their only security a locked door or a table or something pushed against the door.

Agreed.  She was in between a rock and a hard place and didn't know where to go and what to do.  If she had managed to lock the door to the library I Doubt it would have made a difference.

I do too, considering there was glass on the doors which could have easily been broken and the door unlocked or they could have shot the lock with the shotgun. If they had wanted in, anywhere in the school, I believe they would have got in.

This was unprecedented in American schools. There were no drills to practice, no manual to read, no video to watch to prepare for such an attack. I feel sorry for her, I'm sure she has feelings of guilt, what-ifs and I-should-haves.

Again, I think if the library had been evacuated, we would be talking about a different classroom. They came to kill and I think would have carried out massacring children regardless of what room they were in.
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PostSubject: Re: Patti Neilson   Sat Jul 02, 2016 4:22 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]: THANK YOU. I was gonna comment that very thing. I can't believe this is still being debated.

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PostSubject: Re: Patti Neilson   Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:56 am

I believe that she should of had the students rush out the emergency exit instead of hiding. They had a good 2-3 minutes to get out from the time she ran in and the shooters entered the library. They ended up using the exit later on anyway. These kids could of been saved. The real shitty thing though is the cops just stood outside doing nothing. They easily could of came into the school library and ended the situation. There were many of them and thats their job! its so pathetic. Patti even told the 911 operator that the gunman were in the library shooting people. Also, the library exit door was propped open and the cops could hear the students getting murdered. thats really sad! i think its such a shame they did nothing. the ones that did survive had to save themselves! Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Patti Neilson   Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:08 am

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I believe that she should of had the students rush out the emergency exit instead of hiding. They had a good 2-3 minutes to get out from the time she ran in and the shooters entered the library. They ended up using the exit later on anyway. These kids could of been saved. The real shitty thing though is the cops just stood outside doing nothing. They easily could of came into the school library and ended the situation. There were many of them and thats their job! its so pathetic. Patti even told the 911 operator that the gunman were in the library shooting people. Also, the library exit door was propped open and the cops could hear the students getting murdered. thats really sad! i think its such a shame they did nothing. the ones that did survive had to save themselves! Rolling Eyes

Go back and read my post on the first page.

When she saw Eric, he was standing by the emergency exit. For all she knew, he was still there.

When you see a shooter, you don't lead people on an escape route toward the shooter.
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PostSubject: Re: Patti Neilson   Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:57 pm

I had no idea that Eric was by the emergency exit. I thought there was one in the back of the library down a little hallway that they later exited. I thought the shooters came in the library thru the main entrance. Sorry
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PostSubject: Re: Patti Neilson   Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:43 pm

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I had no idea that Eric was by the emergency exit. I thought there was one in the back of the library down a little hallway that they later exited. I thought the shooters came in the library thru the main entrance. Sorry
They did come into the school through the west entrance but the layout of the school is such that the emergency exit of the library opens up directly onto the walkway to the west entrance. Eric and Dylan started the shooting right outside the library emergency exit. Richard and Rachel were sitting somewhere between the west entrance doors and the library emergency exit door.

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PostSubject: Re: Patti Neilson   Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:41 am

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I had no idea that Eric was by the emergency exit. I thought there was one in the back of the library down a little hallway that they later exited. I thought the shooters came in the library thru the main entrance. Sorry

No problem. I didn't mean to be harsh. Here are some diagrams that will help you visualize what Patti saw. The emergency exit at the back of the library is in blue. The black arrow is Eric's shooting. The red arrow is her running and crawling away.

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PostSubject: Re: Patti Neilson   Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:47 am

Okay thank you! that really helped a lot. I totally get it now lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Patti Neilson   Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:31 am

Was Patrick Ireland in the library still when Eric and Dylan committed suicide ???
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PostSubject: Re: Patti Neilson   Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:31 am

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Was Patrick Ireland in the library still when Eric and Dylan committed suicide ???

Yes. And so was Lisa Kreutz. Patrick was in and out of consciousness but Lisa most likely heard it all. I would love to hear her testimony on it but she has never spoken about it

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PostSubject: Re: Patti Neilson   Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:19 am

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i dont understand why the f..k they put the body of rachel in the path of the kids still fleeing.

despicable .
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PostSubject: Re: Patti Neilson   Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:47 pm

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Was Patrick Ireland in the library still when Eric and Dylan committed suicide ???

Yes. And so was Lisa Kreutz.  Patrick was in and out of consciousness but Lisa most likely heard it all.  I would  love to hear her testimony on it but she  has never spoken about it


I never heard about Lisa.... what happened with her ?!?!?
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PostSubject: Re: Patti Neilson   Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:42 am

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Was Patrick Ireland in the library still when Eric and Dylan committed suicide ???

Yes. And so was Lisa Kreutz.  Patrick was in and out of consciousness but Lisa most likely heard it all.  I would  love to hear her testimony on it but she  has never spoken about it


I never heard about Lisa.... what happened with her ?!?!?

She had been shot and injured her arm so she laid there. She was taken out of the library by the police sweep. She has never publicly spoken about anything other than what was in the 11k. And in that she never mentions anything about the suicides. If anyone truly did hear what happened between the 2 boys if anything it was her

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