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PostSubject: Columbine hearsay   Thu May 26, 2016 12:51 am

Over the years I have came across many accounts of people who say they knew or met someone who went to Columbine.Obviously,I can't prove these accounts are factual but it's interesting to read them.
Many are negative about the school and their experiences there.

Here is the first one:


I don't know, she outlines a failure throughout the system. He obviously had some technical proclivity, but when they caught him "hacking" into a school's computer system he is expelled? I've seen popular kids get away with much, much worse ... the worse being the institutionalized pranks that seniors play, but only the right seniors.

Writing an incredibly disturbing paper about killing your classmates and the teacher doesn't even bring it to the parent teacher conference? When the parent asks to see it, or at the very least show it to a guidance counselor it is ignored completely.

And when it is all over, who does everyone blame? The parents. Bad parenting. Were they abused? No. Hey, the parents went to fucking parent-teacher conferences which in many schools is an amazing accomplishment in itself. Sure he acted weird, but interacting with him showed nothing more than average teenage angst. Ironically, if the parents had come down hard on the video games and trenchcoats and poor choice in music, they probably would have focused on their parents and like 90% of suburbia, blamed everything on them up until grad school.

I'm no saying their model parents by any means, but Columbine wasn't exactly Sesame Street. I've worked with a guy who graduated a year or two ahead of this and spent some time with his friends a couple times after work. These are average, normal people -- dare I even say were probably popular students. And not one had anything good to say about Columbine, or the community. They way they describe it, it was some sort of Revolutionary Road hell where the real problems were not the lack of culture, lack of diversity, it was that no one cared. It was a prosperous suburb in the late 90s, everyone had only known things going up. This year you buy the house, next year you're buying the luxury car. You can bury yourself in your job and you'll be steadily rewarded. They make it sound almost like some sort of narcotic haze.

Take your normal high school clique experience and then multiply it by writing a paper describing how you'll brutally kill everyone in it and at most you'll get a passing reference to your parents about how it was disturbing. Sort of like finding a dead bird in your yard, ignore it and a cat will carry it away.

Obviously they deserve a lot of responsibility in regards to their actions, but blaming it just on parenting or lax gun control laws is a little too easy. But when you have two teenagers who think the only life after high school is the same mundane, brutal existence they've known all their life and the only recourse is some sort of paranoid fantasy? There's plenty of blame to go around on that one.

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PostSubject: Re: Columbine hearsay   Thu May 26, 2016 9:21 am

I think this was exactly the type of existence that Eric was against and wanted no part of.......the mundane life. You grow up, get married, have 2.5 kids, work at the same lame job, do the same lame shit everyone else is doing, etc. But why? Because it's expected of you?  



ever wonder why we go to school? besides getting a so called education. its not to obvious to most of you stupid fucks but for these who think a little more and deeper you should realize it. its societies way of turning all the young people into good little robots and factory workers thats why we sit in desks in rows and go by bell schedules, to get prepared for the real world cause "thats what its like". well god damit no it isnt! one thing that seperates us from other animals is the fact that we can carry on actual thoughts. so why don't we? people go on day by day. rutine shit. why cant we learn in school how we want to. why cant we sit on desks and on shelves and put our feet up and relax while we learn? cause thats not what the "real world is like" well hey fuckheads, there is no such thing as an actual "real world". its just another word like justice, sorry, pity, religion, faith, luck and so on. we are humans. if we dont like something we have the fucking ability to change! but we dont, atleast U dont. I would. U just whine/bitch thoughtout life but never do a goddamn thing to change anything. "man can eat, drink, fuck, and hunt and anything else he does is madness" - Based on Lem's quote. boy oh fuckin boy is that true. when I go NBK, and people say things like, "oh it was so tragic," or "oh he is crazy!" or "It was bloody!" I think, so the fuck what, you think thats a bad thing? just because your mommy and daddy told you blood and violence is bad, you think its a fucking law of nature? wrong, only science and math are true, everything, and I mean everyfuckingthing else is man made
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PostSubject: Re: Columbine hearsay   Thu May 26, 2016 12:46 pm

I think the purpose of life is doing what makes you happy and content. If some people find happiness in marriage, kids, hobbies and their job I'm all for it. Eric thought that how/what he thinks applies for everyone in the world. If he hated Littleton that much he could have gone far away from there, maybe travel the world for a couple of years.
Eric seeked acceptance after all. From his writtings we can see his desire to be a leader, to help, guide and understand people. Society praises usefull citizens, individuals who did something good for others, if he wanted to be praised then he had to do something not just whining about it. Nothing comes for free. Even if you dont succeded at first you have to try again.

If he wanted to exit society he could have gone to live in the wild or he could have screwed  the beliefs/routine of his family/community and move on.

Eric and Dylan overtought and underestimated life. They should have let things go and think beyond the bad stuff in life.
It's such a wasted existence, funny how Eric didn't even get to enjoy what he had "accomplished" by his NBK. If you can't enjoy what you did why bother doing it? For others who didn't give a damn about you I guess Rolling Eyes
I put all the blame on Eric and Dylan, they could have changed their lives for the better. Like Eric said "if we dont like something we have the fucking ability to change" and yet he gave up on life.
I bet they were not the only different kids from Littleton.
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PostSubject: Re: Columbine hearsay   Thu May 26, 2016 1:04 pm

For Eric to have the mindset that being part of the norm of life and society sucks, and that he wouldn't be caught dead being part of it or abiding by the norm's rules, already makes him a doomed person to live. That's partially a mental illness/depression right there. He will never be happy. He had many things he was angry about. He did try to be a normal person though, but it was only sub-par and he never got the results he wanted. This played a part in having no restrictions committing NBK. Eric, he definitely had issues. Dylan, he was a hovering empty young man with a void inside him that could not be filled. His own self-deprecation left him no hesitations to kill aswell.
I chose Society under the cause of columbine poll. Our generation gives us access to learn all kinds of things and to be open minded and to secure our OWN beliefs. It's good, but those older than us would say it's too much freedom, there's a lack of structure. It could cause us to go crazy because we constantly just want to go against the bigger man, to go against what is normal. Eric's journal entries put together is almost like a manifesto. And we know people who kill at times have manifestos, why they do what they do, why they wouldn't mind killing and dying to share with the world what they feel is right for them and being in a living breathing working paying world SUCKS.

I understand what Eric means, I get it. I get it and I do not condone murder but I can understand why HE feels it is right. If he doesn't kill himself soon and continues being on this earth it will drive him crazy. Unfortunately, he and Dylan feels what they did was right for them.

I mean they managed to have girls, go to parties, went to dances, Dylan picked out his dorm room, Eric was good with computers, eric had a girl in his bedroom, these were opportunities they actually had, they did more than I have really. Why weren't they happy? Why didn't they kiss the girl or, goofed off and talk back to people picking on them and be greatful of how smart they were?

It wasn't about where they were, it wasn't about admiring their damage, it was sharing their beliefs, and they had to rid of themselves, because Eric and Dylan, Eric especially, was never going to be happy. It's that little tick in their mental stability that let their perspective take over them.

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PostSubject: Re: Columbine hearsay   Thu May 26, 2016 1:18 pm

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For Eric to have the mindset that being part of the norm of life and society sucks, and he wouldn't be caught dead being part of it and abiding by the norm's rules, already makes him a doomed person to live. That's partially a mental illness/depression right there. He will never be happy. He had many things he was angry about. He did try to be a normal person though, but it was only sub-par and he never got the results he wanted. This played a part in having no restrictions committing NBK. Eric, he definitely had issues. Dylan, he was a hovering empty young man with a void inside him that could not be filled. His own self-deprecation left him no hesitations to kill aswell.
I chose Society under the cause of columbine poll. Our generation gives us access to learn all kinds of things and to be open minded and to secure our OWN beliefs. It's good, but those older than us would say it's too much freedom, there's a lack of structure. It could cause us to go crazy because we constantly just want to go against the bigger man, to go against what is normal. Eric's journal entries put together is almost like a manifesto. And we know people who kill at times have manifestos, why they do what they do, why they wouldn't mind killing and dying to share with the world what they feel is right for them and being in a living breathing working paying world SUCKS.

I understand what Eric means, I get it. I get it and I do not condone murder but I can understand why HE feels it is right. If he doesn't kill himself soon and continues being on this earth it will drive him crazy. Unfortunately, he and Dylan feels what they did was right for them.

It wasn't about where they were, it wasn't about admiring their damage, it was sharing their beliefs, and they had to rid of themselves, because Eric and Dylan, Eric especially, was never going to be happy. It's that little tick in their mental stability that let their perspective take over them.
Why society sucks?
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PostSubject: Re: Columbine hearsay   Thu May 26, 2016 1:20 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] huh?

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PostSubject: Re: Columbine hearsay   Thu May 26, 2016 1:27 pm

liquorvamp wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] huh?
From what I read I thought you share the same opinion about society as Eric, if I'm wrong I'm sorry.
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PostSubject: Re: Columbine hearsay   Thu May 26, 2016 1:29 pm

But when you have two teenagers who think the only life after high school is the same mundane, brutal existence they've known all their life and the only recourse is some sort of paranoid fantasy?

I like this statement. E&D couldn't see the life that would come 16 days later. They thought the rest of life was going to be the same as the first part of their lives.

I know Eric had mentioned wanting to travel. I think that would have done him a lot of good.
I don't think college would have been good for Dylan....College can be a depressing place alone.. and if he had no friends or family around I see his depression getting worse.

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PostSubject: Re: Columbine hearsay   Thu May 26, 2016 1:32 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] oh, okay. I wouldn't say the same opinion but I understand why he hates it.
During his time...let's make Columbine as a prime example, people worshipped the popular zombified kids as opposed to people like him who was smarter and probably had alot more to offer. That's an example right there. Bring him out to the real world and our pre-structured society will outcast people like him by default. There's no way he would want to live in a world like that. He never gave himself a chance to be an adult though, it could've been different, but at that point of time he had already written his own fate. literally.

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PostSubject: Re: Columbine hearsay   Thu May 26, 2016 1:34 pm

and also Eric and Dylan were both very self-aware, and they knew that aswell. Having self-awareness is a painful trait to have because it will leave you to notice things more than others and you will be obsessed with perfection and you'll be too embarrassed/insecure with certain things that'll overly cause you to want to beat yourself up/have paranoia that didn't have to be present. Their BEING was a nightmare to THEMSELVES, so they couldn't literally walk the world.

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PostSubject: Re: Columbine hearsay   Thu May 26, 2016 2:00 pm

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] oh, okay. I wouldn't say the same opinion but I understand why he hates it.
During his time...let's make Columbine as a prime example, people worshipped the popular zombified kids as opposed to people like him who was smarter and probably had alot more to offer. That's an example right there. Bring him out to the real world and our pre-structured society will outcast people like him by default. There's no way he would want to live in a world like that. He never gave himself a chance to be an adult though, it could've been different, but at that point of time he had already written his own fate. literally.
Well, that school was not for them. I dont think that every highschool is like Columbine. I guess they were "unlucky" in this situation. But if you dont fit somewhere you got to find another place.
Eric could have fit in the real world, better than Dylan. That place was not for him for sure but he could have been someone in world's society. He was able to have a bright future. I dont think that making videogames for a living or making bombs for the marines would have bother him. He needed people like him in his life and something to keep his mind busy. As for Dylan, he didnt give a shit about society, he wanted love but didnt do much to have it. (My opinion)
Many young people are self aware. They were not the single self aware, depressed kids from Littleton.
They had some mental illness for sure..


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PostSubject: Re: Columbine hearsay   Thu May 26, 2016 2:07 pm

Kida wrote:
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] oh, okay. I wouldn't say the same opinion but I understand why he hates it.
During his time...let's make Columbine as a prime example, people worshipped the popular zombified kids as opposed to people like him who was smarter and probably had alot more to offer. That's an example right there. Bring him out to the real world and our pre-structured society will outcast people like him by default. There's no way he would want to live in a world like that. He never gave himself a chance to be an adult though, it could've been different, but at that point of time he had already written his own fate. literally.
Well, that school was not for them. I dont think that every highschool is like Columbine. I guess they were "unlucky" in this situation. But if you dont fit somewhere you got to find another place.
Eric could have fit in the real world, better than Dylan. That place was not for him for sure but he could have been someone in world's society. He was able to have a bright future. I dont think that making videogames for a living or making bombs for the marines would have bother him. He needed people like him in his life and something to keep his mind busy. As for Dylan, he didnt give a shit about society, he wanted love but didnt do much to have it. (My opinion)
Many young people are self aware. They were not the single self aware, depressed kids from Littleton.
They had some mental illness for sure...


I agree about Dylan. I know he was shy and self conscious but he didn't make many steps to try to find love. If that is truly what he did want.
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PostSubject: Re: Columbine hearsay   Thu May 26, 2016 2:08 pm

Well, I don't think it's about a different scenery as I said above. Their problem was themselves. If they wanted to give themselves time they would have but they knew their being wasn't going to live through this world.
I'm not saying this without wishing they had found love and happiness, their mindset had doomed themselves to the decisions they had made.

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PostSubject: Re: Columbine hearsay   Fri May 27, 2016 1:09 am

Here is a former Columbine student who has accepted the Cullen doctrine wholeheartedly and gets somewhat hostile when a couple of people challenge it.


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PostSubject: Re: Columbine hearsay   Fri May 27, 2016 9:52 am

PaintItBlack wrote:
Here is a former Columbine student who has accepted the Cullen doctrine wholeheartedly and gets somewhat hostile when a couple of people challenge it.


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"This is the definitive book on the subject. What Cullen brings to the table is a robust psychological profile that was unavailable before. The research is complete, compelling, and unbiased. There was great controversy regarding the makeshift and permanent memorials, which is also well-addressed."
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PostSubject: Re: Columbine hearsay   Fri May 27, 2016 9:17 pm

Kida wrote:
PaintItBlack wrote:
Here is a former Columbine student who has accepted the Cullen doctrine wholeheartedly and gets somewhat hostile when a couple of people challenge it.


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"This is the definitive book on the subject. What Cullen brings to the table is a robust psychological profile that was unavailable before. The research is complete, compelling, and unbiased. There was great controversy regarding the makeshift and permanent memorials, which is also well-addressed."
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I agree,Kida.To me that would be very funny if it wasn't in my belief so utterly wrong.

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PostSubject: Re: Columbine hearsay   Mon Jul 25, 2016 1:44 am

qoaa 10 points 9 months ago

I'm 39, I used to chat with Harris on the Undernet IRC network in [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Bunch of us traded .wad files for Doom where we created our own levels.

I had a somewhat copy of Whitehouse using old layouts and old blueprint drawings I copied.

He was cool, my name is Eric also so we it along. He was an op in the channel but we ragged on him as he used AOL and had an AOL website he used ftp to update it and dreamweaver. His "blog" posts (before blogs were a thing) got progressively angry and he admitted being put on prozav and meds.

He was cool until meds he then disappeared from IRC. About year and half later is when it happened.

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