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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:13 pm

I informed him when I first heard this movie was in the making that they will be using that fake statement and he corrected me and told me "But it did happen, I remember it happening 100%".
He didn't go into detail but he refereed to the reports about Eric's short conversation to Rachel.

I don't know, I never believed it but if it did happen then my opinion was Eric may have just made a comment about God towards Rachel's corpse as he walked by, no interaction and no dramatic Hollywood hair tuggin'. Richard insist that the report is true though. I would ask him to tell me in his words the whole story but it is not a nice subject to bring up to him, but he is very reachable he recently did an interview on YouTube about marijuana.
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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:20 pm

Are you talking about the last version of events he has claimed happened where he said that after he was shot that Eric asked him if he believed in God and Richard said no, thereby causing Eric to leave him alone and move on to Rachel?

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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:36 pm

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Are you talking about the last version of events he has claimed happened where he said that after he was shot that Eric asked him if he believed in God and Richard said no, thereby causing Eric to leave him alone and move on to Rachel?

Yeah, there are so many variations on this that unless someone was standing there, minding their own business and heard any of the numerous variations of these alleged exchanges, AND managed to get away with their life, I think we would have heard by now.

To be honest, this is a ploy to martyrdom Rachel and for SOMEONE to TRY to make a quick buck.

This "incident" is one of biggest pet peeves and ranks very low on what I actually care about.
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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:45 pm


The reason I am doubtful about that version is that Richard has told 3 versions of what happened and I know he was greatly traumatized and could have become confused over the years, especially since people have asked him to tell the story of Rachel's martyrdom over and over.



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Are you talking about the last version of events he has claimed happened where he said that after he was shot that Eric asked him if he believed in God and Richard said no, thereby causing Eric to leave him alone and move on to Rachel?

Yeah, there are so many variations on this that unless someone was standing there, minding their own business and heard any of the numerous variations of these alleged exchanges, AND managed to get away with their life, I think we would have heard by now.

To be honest, this is a ploy to martyrdom Rachel and for SOMEONE to TRY to make a quick buck.

This "incident" is one of biggest pet peeves and ranks very low on what I actually care about.

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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:32 pm

Richard Castaldo Challenges the Official Columbine Narrative:

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It is discussed here:

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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:10 am

I don't believe it too. I think she had perished instantly. But he said that it did happen. I don't know if they are paying him to say it or confusion from being shot.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I'm not sure if he was referring to the statement of both of them being questioned or just her. All I told him is they are going to add the conversation between Harris and Scott in the movie, to see if he was angry about it.
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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:49 am

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I don't believe it too. I think she had perished instantly. But he said that it did happen. I don't know if they are paying him to say it or confusion from being shot.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I'm not sure if he was referring to the statement of both of them being questioned or just her. All I told him is they are going to add the conversation between Harris and Scott in the movie, to see if he was angry about it.

My two cents is that he may well believe it did happen. After 17 years and so much shock, confusion, and of course being shot himself on top of everyone asking him questions over and over and hearing so much speculation he may think that is what actually happened.

Evidence points to the fact that Rachel died right after being shot. She may have cried or whimpered briefly but I do not believe any exchange happened
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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:56 am

Isn't it too much of a coincidence though for the same question to be asked in the library too WHERE it ACTUALLY happened to a survivor, Valeen, who was asked if she believed in God? Also don't forget Cassie got the same myth for awhile.

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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:27 pm

Rachel SCOTT Autopsy Diagram:

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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Fri Dec 09, 2016 6:35 am

Yes, I've seen those. The key to the whole saga would be the findings, which, like Eric, Dylan and Isaiah are numerous pages long.

@sororityalpha You are a treasure trove of information and I love it! I'm curious how you have accumulated so many rare stories and photos and even more curious (and jealous) of your organizational skills. You're awesome!
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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:15 am

I thought those diagrams were lost forever, thanks! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:37 pm

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Rachel SCOTT Autopsy Diagram:

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Rachel still had her backpack on when she was shot and later when she was moved. We know from the above diagrams the entrance & exit pathways of the gunshots. My question to you is this:

CBI 1048/JCSO 10283 - Copper Jacketed Bullet from Rachel's Backpack.

This bullet/fragment matches to Eric's Hi-Point Carbine.

Which gunshot do you think went into the backpack? Does this further show what position Rachel may have been in when she was shot?
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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:09 pm

My opinion would be 2. Perforating gunshot wound to the trunk, based on entrance and exit locations. I can only base that on the very limited information available in addition to the descriptions of the other gunshot wounds. Locations of the wounds, and the fact of exit wounds also further narrow down where the bullet in the backpack could have originated from.

It does not reveal at all what position she was in when she was shot, although I seem to remember that she was in a sitting position when she was shot.
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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:47 am

Great. So obviously the whole fabricated hair-pulling conversation on the ground shit in the movie is fairytale.

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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:25 pm

Eric & Dylan scenes:
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - Last basement tape recording.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - Eric & Dylan in class listening to Rachel's speech.
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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:03 pm

^bleh. Why do they have the e&d characters wearing their nbk shirts outside of the massacre? Were they scared the audience would forget who they were supposed to be or did they just have a limited wardrobe for them...

*edited to say the only time the "Eric" actor actually looks like him is towards the end of the basement tapes clip as he walks up to the camera and he's kinda blurry. Then once he's close up it doesn't look like him anymore haha
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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:21 pm

I refuse to watch this movie or even the clips associated with it. I choose to be blessedly ignorant of the whole thing.
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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:02 pm

I think that African American jock kid is suppose to represent Isiah since he was one of the very few black people at the school, but they've just presented him as a bully.
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I refuse to watch this movie or even the clips associated with it. I choose to be blessedly ignorant of the whole thing.
I wish it didn't exist too, I just had to see if they portrayed Eric and Dylan accurately even though I wish I could close my eyes and this film would go away.
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^bleh. Why do they have the e&d characters wearing their nbk shirts outside of the massacre? Were they scared the audience would forget who they were supposed to be or did they just have a limited wardrobe for them...

*edited to say the only time the "Eric" actor actually looks like him is towards the end of the basement tapes clip as he walks up to the camera and he's kinda blurry. Then once he's close up it doesn't look like him anymore haha
Everything you said I agree with, when I too thought it was strange seeing them in those shirts in class, I also thought the part before Eric says "too late" captured Eric's face/head shape since the video was not in HD.
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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:11 pm

So people have watched this movie? It didn't play anywhere close to where I am and I literally had even forgotten about it until I came back to the board. Where did you see it, in a theater or was it a straight to DVD type thing? I saw months back one or two of those Robertson people of Duck Dynasty fame was in it and that immediately clued me in as to what type of movie it would be. What roles do they even play in the film?

ETA So what's the general consensus? Seems no one likes it from what I've read.
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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:41 pm

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I don't believe it too. I think she had perished instantly. But he said that it did happen. I don't know if they are paying him to say it or confusion from being shot.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I'm not sure if he was referring to the statement of both of them being questioned or just her. All I told him is they are going to add the conversation between Harris and Scott in the movie, to see if he was angry about it.

My two cents is that he may well believe it did happen.  After 17 years and so much shock, confusion, and of course being shot himself on top of everyone asking him questions over and over and hearing so much speculation he may think that is what actually happened.

Evidence points to the fact that Rachel died right after being shot.  She may have cried or whimpered briefly but I do not believe any exchange happened
THIS. It describes how I feel about the situation and I don't think I could put it any better .

If there is any evidence that ever comes out that proves Rachel died a martyr,I would look at it with an open mind.


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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:32 am

Rachel broke up with her boyfriend? Why she went to prom with Nick? Why that day, she had lunch with Richard? All these boys were just her friends?
In my opinion many of the problems Eric was related to the fact that he was not physically able to repel pitching. But in the film he plays a grown muscular man. If Eric was such a physique, he most likely would find a way to his anger in fights.

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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:08 am

I also think Richard believes it happened.
But, we know that trauma, specifically with adolescents, can create fake memories. It is not at all uncommon for a victim of a violent crime to "make up" a story to aid in their healing.
Nothing at all personal against Richard, but from the evidence, it's unlikely that Rachel spoke to Eric.

I'm wondering if Richard gave his first story of this happening before or after learning about Eric's conversations in the library. Perhaps if he knew of Eric's "do you believe in God" question being asked, he integrated that into his own experience.
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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:37 am

For anyone wanting to watch the movie, for the time being, it's on YouTube.

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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:14 pm


Thank you Jenn
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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:06 pm

I enjoyed the movie. I accept that some events were fabricated but I think they were true to Rachel and her struggle. And that's what matters most to me.
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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:59 pm

Cinema Snob made a review about the film:



Had to click it immediately. I enjoyed it. This way I don't need to watch the whole thing.
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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:17 pm

I can tell just by the channel name that they're going to eviscerate it.
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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:00 am

The movie is coming out on DVD on the 24th Jan, hopefully within a week we'll get a torrent or a stream.
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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:39 pm

Seen it in it's entirety. I liked it, a very well made movie. They didn't even need to lie about her death. If she was just shot then and there like she was in real life, it wouldn't take anything away imo. May you rest in peace Rachel Joy.

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PostSubject: Re: "I'm Not Ashamed" movie hits theaters on Friday, October 21   Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:15 pm

I don't think I'll ever be able to bring myself to actually watch this movie despite my curiosity over it, but I did watch the Cinema Snob review and that showed enough for me.

Based on the clips I've seen it probably would've just been better to leave the shooters out of the movie and only include them during the actual shooting scene itself. They should've done it the way the Dawn Anna movie did and make the shooting happen out of nowhere with no one prepared for it, like how it was in real life. I get that the movie's main focus was to make Rachel out to be a martyr who was targeted for her faith (which I still have a problem with). But a side story of e&d planning for nbk kinda takes away from it being a story about *Rachel* and Her life.

It looks like the e&d characters get a lot more screen time than I expected, but their scenes are kinda embarrassingly done and exaggerated. Its weird to me with as sensitive as everyone is about not giving e&d the attention they wanted, that a movie that gives them multiple scenes with speaking parts was backed by the family of one of the (more famous) victim's of the shooting...
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