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PostSubject: My confession   Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:47 am

I'm not gonna lie and I feel very guilty about this too. I do find Eric and Dylan cute and quite attractive. Is it wrong? Am I the only one who feels that way? Maybe I'm losing my mind here but I can't help it.

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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:58 am

I don't feel that way very much but you are def. not alone. There are pages and pages online of people men and women alike who are attracted them.

People only interested in Columbine for the "cute" guys who committed the crime. Condoning what they did. Thinking if they were around them at the time they could have made them fall in love with them and stop the massacre.

Both guys were not horrible looking. They each had some "quirks" that made them not the traditional "Brad Pitt" but neither were ugly. I don't usually think much about it. I am interested in this case for other reasons.

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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:05 pm

Oh girl. You know what, I salute you for saying this bluntly. Cause it might be an unpopular thing to claim. But it's not the first time, no surprise. There's literally girls who flaunt they're groupies online and claiming the boys as their own. They "care" about the case, because really what they care about is the boys.
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Thinking if they were around them at the time they could have made them fall in love with them and stop the massacre.
I read this all the time and I hate this. Stop it. No you don't. They're dead! You have no idea who the hell they are cause you never knew them!
These girls are even wondering what they're like in bed.

I can understand noticing a person objectively if they're attractive or not, separating them as a person and for their actions, I do. So judging the boys through this aspect, I say, yeah, they're interestingly attractive. But that's it. As human beings, unfortunately it's part of human nature to think a heinous crime is okay because of how the perpetrator looks.

Girls, as Eric loved to say, are begging to be shot by these boys.

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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:23 pm

I find them cute like baby alligators
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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:35 pm

You aren't wrong, and you're definitely not the only one... they were handsome boys who would have grown up to be attractive men.
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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:01 am

aquillina wrote:
I'm not gonna lie and I feel very guilty about this too. I do find Eric and Dylan cute and quite attractive. Is it wrong? Am I the only one who feels that way? Maybe I'm losing my mind here but I can't help it.


Not at all.They were extremely handsome young men.It's hard not to notice that.I see nothing wrong in thinking and feeling that way.
You are a deep thinker about all this and their looks are far, far from being the only reason you are interested so I don't think you should feel guilty about anything at all.

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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:34 am

I don't see anything wrong with thinking they were cute, as long as you don't condone what they did. It's perfectly normal to be attracted to someone physically, but hate their personality or hate something they did. Happens all the time.
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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:37 am

I initially thought the boston bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was cute and he had amaaaaazing abs but he's horrible and threw his entire life down the drain.

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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:47 am

Thanks guys. It's such a shame that such good-looking guys had to commit such a horrendous act.

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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Fri Jul 15, 2016 3:29 am

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Thanks guys. It's such a shame that such good-looking guys had to commit such a horrendous act.
Right? Otherwise it'd be much easier to drool over them tongue tongue tongue tongue Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil geek geek geek geek

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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Fri Jul 15, 2016 3:43 am

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I find them cute like baby alligators
lol what?

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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:44 am

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I'm not gonna lie and I feel very guilty about this too. I do find Eric and Dylan cute and quite attractive. Is it wrong? Am I the only one who feels that way?

Not sure if srs.

I remember first hearing about the shootings on the radio when it happened and it disturbed the **** out of my innocent 9 y/o self. Imagine my surprise when I saw a copy of the infamous "The Monsters Next Door" Time magazine lying on the dining table and saw two decent and "normal"-looking guys on the cover. I guess some kids envision bad people to look menacing and conventionally ugly. It was certainly a paradox to behold after hearing so much about these awful people who I had never laid eyes on.

FYI: I don't find either particularly attractive, but they were alright looking. Dylan less typical looking than Eric. I think people hype up their appearance a lot. Eric was kind of ratty-looking imo, esp with his overbite, sharp facial features, small frame and just observing how he carried himself in general. Dylan looked pretty goofy to me with his under bite, disproportionate facial features and long limbs. They both looked fine, though. I'd say average.
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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:11 am

I always had a thing strangely for guys who were plain and particularly with narrow, sharp noses. So, obviously when I first saw Eric I thought he was kinda attractive to me. Really basic but still alright. And he basically looks like two other guys who I've seen before in my lifetime, it's a very conventional face but it was attractive enough to me. I was surprised when I find out how short he was. I think if he were taller like Dylan's height he'd be almost perfect but that's just my opinion. Dylan had the sort of look that would have to grow on a person and find unique too. The way he carried himself was enough to attract a girl to him though.

I also think Eric's eyebrows were on fleek.

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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:50 am

Lol ultraviolence, why i said that about baby alligators? It was the first thing that popped into my head. Have you seen a baby alligator? They are kinda cute... in a terrible and terrifying sort of way... Understand there are no alligators within 2000 miles of where i live so i find them to be utterly terrifying creatures.
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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:33 am

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Lol ultraviolence, why i said that about baby alligators? It was the first thing that popped into my head. Have you seen a baby alligator? They are kinda cute... in a terrible and terrifying sort of way... Understand there are no alligators within 2000 miles of where i live so i find them to be utterly terrifying creatures.

LOLOLOLLLOLOL.
You know what they are like baby alligators!

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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:44 am

I don't understand why everyone thinks Eric was so short. Was he 5'8" or 5'9"? I guess to me that's really not that short, considering I'm only 5'4", lol.  He doesn't look all that short in the videos I've seen of him. But anyone would look short compared to guys who are 6'4"......so yeah, of course standing around all his tall friends would make him look like the scrawny one of the bunch.

Also, when I see videos of E&D I don't really understand how they were so weird for the way they dressed. Dylan dressed kind of grungy, which was pretty popular back then.  Eric just wore band t-shirts and black pants a lot it seems. What's so strange about that? I think people tried really hard to jump on the "weird goth outcast" bandwagon and over-analyzed their looks after the massacre. To me, they look like average high school kids.
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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:48 am

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I don't understand why everyone thinks Eric was so short. Was he 5'8" or 5'9"? I guess to me that's really not that short, considering I'm only 5'4", lol.  He doesn't look all that short in the videos I've seen of him. But anyone would look short compared to guys who are 6'4"......so yeah, of course standing around all his tall friends would make him look like the scrawny one of the bunch.

Also, when I see videos of E&D I don't really understand how they were so weird for the way they dressed. Dylan dressed kind of grungy, which was pretty popular back then.  Eric just wore band t-shirts and black pants a lot it seems. What's so strange about that? I think people tried really hard to jump on the "weird goth outcast" bandwagon and over-analyzed their looks after the massacre. To me, they look like average high school kids.

They were not wearing Abercrombie and Khakis but I think it was more their personalities. Dylan was antisocial, quiet and crabby looking. Eric was aggressive and would yell at people in the parking lot or if they bumped him in the hall.

I am sure they were outcasts but they made themselves that way.
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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:52 am

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I don't understand why everyone thinks Eric was so short. Was he 5'8" or 5'9"? I guess to me that's really not that short, considering I'm only 5'4", lol. He doesn't look all that short in the videos I've seen of him. But anyone would look short compared to guys who are 6'4"......so yeah, of course standing around all his tall friends would make him look like the scrawny one of the bunch.

Also, when I see videos of E&D I don't really understand how they were so weird for the way they dressed. Dylan dressed kind of grungy, which was pretty popular back then. Eric just wore band t-shirts and black pants a lot it seems. What's so strange about that? I think people tried really hard to jump on the "weird goth outcast" bandwagon and over-analyzed their looks after the massacre. To me, they look like average high school kids.

Absolutely. They looked so normal. Matter fact they looked good! I thought Dylan was pretty stylish and his aesthetic worked really well for him. They exaggerated the weirdness with the trenchcoats but, so? Clothing ought to be the last thing to bother a person.

And Eric wasn't short, but, most would say, he was short for most typical guys. And yeah considering being constantly next to Dylan it really didn't help him. Most girls want someone they literally look up to. Eric's my height, we'd be eye to eye I'd imagine.

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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:54 am

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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:58 am

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I don't understand why everyone thinks Eric was so short. Was he 5'8" or 5'9"? I guess to me that's really not that short, considering I'm only 5'4", lol.  He doesn't look all that short in the videos I've seen of him. But anyone would look short compared to guys who are 6'4"......so yeah, of course standing around all his tall friends would make him look like the scrawny one of the bunch.

Also, when I see videos of E&D I don't really understand how they were so weird for the way they dressed. Dylan dressed kind of grungy, which was pretty popular back then.  Eric just wore band t-shirts and black pants a lot it seems. What's so strange about that? I think people tried really hard to jump on the "weird goth outcast" bandwagon and over-analyzed their looks after the massacre. To me, they look like average high school kids.

They were not wearing Abercrombie and Khakis but I think it was more their personalities.  Dylan was antisocial, quiet and crabby looking. Eric was aggressive and would yell at people in the parking lot or if they bumped him in the hall.

I am sure they were outcasts but they made themselves that way.

I think they were probably initially seen as outcasts, but didn't want to be.  When they realized nothing was going to change, they sort of went with the outcast stereotype and became more asocial and hostile.  But looking at them from purely a physical perspective, I can't see how they looked so weird.  I think this just goes to show how HUGE the jock culture was at Columbine in comparison to other high schools. Littleton really sounds like a crappy place to live as a teenager.  That's a shame, because it looks like a beautiful place. I think I'm beginning to understand how one could come to hate that place so much and feel so trapped and miserable while living there.
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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:59 am

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I don't understand why everyone thinks Eric was so short. Was he 5'8" or 5'9"? I guess to me that's really not that short, considering I'm only 5'4", lol.  He doesn't look all that short in the videos I've seen of him. But anyone would look short compared to guys who are 6'4"......so yeah, of course standing around all his tall friends would make him look like the scrawny one of the bunch.

Also, when I see videos of E&D I don't really understand how they were so weird for the way they dressed. Dylan dressed kind of grungy, which was pretty popular back then.  Eric just wore band t-shirts and black pants a lot it seems. What's so strange about that? I think people tried really hard to jump on the "weird goth outcast" bandwagon and over-analyzed their looks after the massacre. To me, they look like average high school kids.

They were not wearing Abercrombie and Khakis but I think it was more their personalities.  Dylan was antisocial, quiet and crabby looking. Eric was aggressive and would yell at people in the parking lot or if they bumped him in the hall.

I am sure they were outcasts but they made themselves that way.

I think they were probably initially seen as outcasts, but didn't want to be.  When they realized nothing was going to change, they sort of went with the outcast stereotype and became more asocial and hostile.  But looking at them from purely a physical perspective, I can't see how they looked so weird.  I think this just goes to show how HUGE the jock culture was at Columbine in comparison to other high schools. Littleton really sounds like a crappy place to live as a teenager.  That's a shame, because it looks like a beautiful place. I think I'm beginning to understand how one could come to hate that place so much and feel so trapped and miserable while living there.

My brother's GF is from Littleton. She is only 24 so was never there when E&D were and she went to Chatfield so not CHS but she says it is still just as bad. Her FB pics are gorgeous though
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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:02 pm

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I think they were probably initially seen as outcasts, but didn't want to be.  When they realized nothing was going to change, they sort of went with the outcast stereotype and became more asocial and hostile.

Boom there it is. If they can't beat it they might aswell be it and relish in it.

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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:03 pm

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I don't understand why everyone thinks Eric was so short. Was he 5'8" or 5'9"? I guess to me that's really not that short, considering I'm only 5'4", lol.  He doesn't look all that short in the videos I've seen of him. But anyone would look short compared to guys who are 6'4"......so yeah, of course standing around all his tall friends would make him look like the scrawny one of the bunch.

Maybe because he was significantly shorter than Dylan - who was a really tall guy. But yeah, this makes me wonder too.

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Also, when I see videos of E&D I don't really understand how they were so weird for the way they dressed. Dylan dressed kind of grungy, which was pretty popular back then.  Eric just wore band t-shirts and black pants a lot it seems. What's so strange about that? I think people tried really hard to jump on the "weird goth outcast" bandwagon and over-analyzed their looks after the massacre. To me, they look like average high school kids.

Very good point! This "weird goth outcast" babbling has already gotten on my nerves, so thanks for mentioning the problem with it.
I hope this does not sound too personal, but - seeing your nickname and avatar - I assume that you may have other standards for "average" than the mainstream folks do. Same for me: there are many things which are labeled by mainstream people as "extreme" or "weird" - while I see the same things as absolutely normal and not really extreme. Okay, enough personal talk and I really hope that my thoughts do not offend you!
What I mean is that Eric's and Dylan's clothing style (and music preferences) surely seems average for someone with an interest in brutal black/death metal, but for a really mainstream person - who sees only trendy and/or conventional good boys/girls -, even an innocent Rammstein T-shirt or a pair of simple black BDU trousers might seem to be extravagant or deviant.
And the "goth" label usually makes me go berserk. The adults seem to not understand that not everyone who wears black is a goth! (Me neither.)

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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:08 pm

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I assume that you may have other standards for "average" than the mainstream folks do. Same for me: there are many things which are labeled by mainstream people as "extreme" or "weird" - while I see the same things as absolutely normal and not really extreme. Okay, enough personal talk and I really hope that my thoughts do not offend you!
What I mean is that Eric's and Dylan's clothing style (and music preferences) surely seems average for someone with an interest in brutal black/death metal, but for a really mainstream person - who sees only trendy and/or conventional good boys/girls -, even an innocent Rammstein T-shirt or a pair of simple black BDU trousers might seem to be extravagant or deviant.

The thing that is aggravating years later and present day is that the mainstream conventional zombies as the boys call them begin to steal the unique/punk/goth aesthetic and they make it look cool or accepted because it's a popular person that's presenting it. It's happening alot and it's kinda irritating. So it's weird when someone who is actually an outcast has a style like that but put it on a "normie" and all of a sudden it's cool? No no.

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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:13 pm

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The thing that is aggravating years later and present day is that the mainstream conventional zombies as the boys call them begin to steal the unique/punk/goth aesthetic and they make it look cool or accepted because it's a popular person that's presenting it. It's happening alot and it's kinda irritating. So it's weird when someone who is actually an outcast has a style like that but put it on a "normie" and all of a sudden it's cool? No no.

I have nothing to add. You managed to verbalize something that makes me very irritated. Thank you.
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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:30 pm

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I don't understand why everyone thinks Eric was so short. Was he 5'8" or 5'9"? I guess to me that's really not that short, considering I'm only 5'4", lol.  He doesn't look all that short in the videos I've seen of him. But anyone would look short compared to guys who are 6'4"......so yeah, of course standing around all his tall friends would make him look like the scrawny one of the bunch.

Maybe because he was significantly shorter than Dylan - who was a really tall guy. But yeah, this makes me wonder too.

Freezingmoon wrote:

Also, when I see videos of E&D I don't really understand how they were so weird for the way they dressed. Dylan dressed kind of grungy, which was pretty popular back then.  Eric just wore band t-shirts and black pants a lot it seems. What's so strange about that? I think people tried really hard to jump on the "weird goth outcast" bandwagon and over-analyzed their looks after the massacre. To me, they look like average high school kids.

Very good point! This "weird goth outcast" babbling has already gotten on my nerves, so thanks for mentioning the problem with it.
I hope this does not sound too personal, but - seeing your nickname and avatar - I assume that you may have other standards for "average" than the mainstream folks do. Same for me: there are many things which are labeled by mainstream people as "extreme" or "weird" - while I see the same things as absolutely normal and not really extreme. Okay, enough personal talk and I really hope that my thoughts do not offend you!
What I mean is that Eric's and Dylan's clothing style (and music preferences) surely seems average for someone with an interest in brutal black/death metal, but for a really mainstream person - who sees only trendy and/or conventional good boys/girls -, even an innocent Rammstein T-shirt or a pair of simple black BDU trousers might seem to be extravagant or deviant.
And the "goth" label usually makes me go berserk. The adults seem to not understand that not everyone who wears black is a goth! (Me neither.)

Sorry if I was too offtopic; the forum admins might moderate my post if it is inappropriate.


Nope, I'm not offended at all.  I realize that I'm looking at all of this through my eyes and I guess you could say that I've never been a mainstream person. So what I think is normal is probably really strange to many people. This happens to me all the time......someone will tell me something they think is so weird, and I just stand there baffled because I don't get it. I really don't understand about 95% of the people I meet.
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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:52 pm

I had no opinion whatsoever about how Eric and Dylan dressed. Like most of you all it did felt pretty normal for a bunch of teenage boys. People should dress in what they feel most comfortable in.

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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:56 pm

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Nope, I'm not offended at all.  I realize that I'm looking at all of this through my eyes and I guess you could say that I've never been a mainstream person. So what I think is normal is probably really strange to many people. This happens to me all the time......someone will tell me something they think is so weird, and I just stand there baffled because I don't get it. I really don't understand about 95% of the people I meet.


Aaaah okay.
Yes, everything is relative. I have never been a mainstream one either, but - as the questions on "being different" play very little role in how I think - this has always had relatively little importance for me. And being confronted with what the so-called normal people think "so weird", I often experience this: I don't get it.

And here, we have a tragically good example of this problem.
Yes, Eric and Dylan were indeed weird - but not because of their favourite bands or of their clothing style. Those who think these details are the most important ones might end up with incorrect conclusions.

Oh, and the same goes for the violent PC games! It is easy to blame Doom (or Quake, or Counter-Strike), but as far as I know, Eric and Dylan had approximately as much to do with the hardcore gamer subculture as they had with the dark/goth subculture.
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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:41 pm

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Nope, I'm not offended at all.  I realize that I'm looking at all of this through my eyes and I guess you could say that I've never been a mainstream person. So what I think is normal is probably really strange to many people. This happens to me all the time......someone will tell me something they think is so weird, and I just stand there baffled because I don't get it. I really don't understand about 95% of the people I meet.


Aaaah okay.
Yes, everything is relative. I have never been a mainstream one either, but - as the questions on "being different" play very little role in how I think - this has always had relatively little importance for me. And being confronted with what the so-called normal people think "so weird", I often experience this: I don't get it.

And here, we have a tragically good example of this problem.
Yes, Eric and Dylan were indeed weird - but not because of their favourite bands or of their clothing style. Those who think these details are the most important ones might end up with incorrect conclusions.

Oh, and the same goes for the violent PC games! It is easy to blame Doom (or Quake, or Counter-Strike), but as far as I know, Eric and Dylan had approximately as much to do with the hardcore gamer subculture as they had with the dark/goth subculture.
Here are thoughts of a Doom gamer who was/is really involved in gaming and knowing everyone who played big roles in the gaming community:
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That link was interesting. Thanks
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PostSubject: Re: My confession   Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:15 pm

My pleasure Smile
Ironically enough, I have never played, but now I feel like downloading Chocolate Doom and starting to play! How about you?
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