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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:50 am

That's exactly what I thought, we shouldn't have to beleve every word a just because a witness says so. No disrespect, bu I truly don't beleve that exchange happened. I think he shot lance but didn't say anything and thought he was dead.

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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:52 am

Yeah thats something I don't think he would make up. That poor guy has to look in the mirror everyday and relive/see that moment of his life that took less than a blink of an eye.
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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:54 am

What are the statistics of murder survivors deciding to make statements up just because they're at the center of attention and they are mad at their attacker? And does this tie to wanting to NOT believe that Dylan was that evil?

I sympathise with Eric and Dylan somehow, I do, sometimes I talk about them like I'm fans of them, but I cannot forget that they were pieces of shit that day and also Lance and Sean's story is the saddest for me that day. They lost a best friend within them and Sean had to play dead for hours just to get out of there alive.

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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:00 am

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What are the statistics of murder survivors deciding to make statements up just because they're at the center of attention and they are mad at their attacker? And does this tie to wanting to NOT believe that Dylan was that evil?

I sympathise with Eric and Dylan somehow, I do, sometimes I talk about them like I'm fans of them, but I cannot forget that they were pieces of shit that day and also Lance and Sean's story is the saddest for me that day. They lost a best friend within them and Sean had to play dead for hours just to get out of there alive.

I don't think he made it up because he was the center of attention or because he was mad at Eric and Dylan. I think it was just one of those thing that materialises after a traumatic event, which is why I'll be forever sceptical of this exchange.

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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:01 am

It doesn't make me feel any less sorry for Lance.

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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:10 am

I don't know. I doubt Richard, but I don't doubt Lance and Sean. I wish that I could send a text to hell and ask Dylan if he said that.



This is Lance's state after recovering. Do you think he's in that state of mind to decide to make that statement up? He's trying to remember what happened to him before he lost consciousness.

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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:16 am

ultraviolencelv wrote:
I don't know. I doubt Richard, but I don't doubt Lance and Sean. I wish that I could send a text to hell and ask Dylan if he said that.



This is Lance's state after recovering. Do you think he's in that state of mind to decide to make that statement up? He's trying to remember what happened to him before he lost consciousness.


Poor guy...
I just don't know. I'll never know, till the day I die.

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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:37 pm

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I don't know. I doubt Richard, but I don't doubt Lance and Sean. I wish that I could send a text to hell and ask Dylan if he said that.



This is Lance's state after recovering. Do you think he's in that state of mind to decide to make that statement up? He's trying to remember what happened to him before he lost consciousness.



I honestly don't believe Dylan is in Hell.

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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:11 pm

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I honestly don't believe Dylan is in Hell.
Very interesting for you to say that. Do you think he's in some kind of limbo land?

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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:50 am

I would agree only cause I'm skeptical about heaven and hell, I try to tell myself death is sleeping for good your soul wanders to idk, yeah maybe a limbo paradise or whatever. Maybe Eric and Dylan are resting at the place they constantly envision in their head.

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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:50 am

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I would agree only cause I'm skeptical about heaven and hell, I try to tell myself death is sleeping for good your soul wanders to idk, yeah maybe a limbo paradise or whatever. Maybe Eric and Dylan are resting at the place they constantly envision in their head.

I like to beleve that there is no preset heaven, but when we die we each go to our own personal heaven and stay there until we are born again in a different time.

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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:36 am

Potatosallad wrote:
Our own personal heaven
I really like that. I always say to myself; Paradise is a creation in your mind. Perhaps after death your soul wanders to exactly where you've always dreamed of

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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Sat Sep 10, 2016 10:56 am

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PaintItBlack wrote:

I honestly don't believe Dylan is in Hell.
Very interesting for you to say that. Do you think he's in some kind of limbo land?


No, I don't.
Because of his incredibly young age at death, I believe he is in Heaven.I don't believe in a limbo.
I believe in a traditional Heaven and Hell as the Bible describes them.

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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:02 am

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I would agree only cause I'm skeptical about heaven and hell, I try to tell myself death is sleeping for good your soul wanders to idk, yeah maybe a limbo paradise or whatever. Maybe Eric and Dylan are resting at the place they constantly envision in their head.

There was one a long thread on this that went on for close to two weeks about a year ,year a half ago where this was discussed in detail but my basic belief is that E &D are in Heaven because they died so young they didn't have the spiritual maturity to realize the full and lasting impact of their actions.
I'm aware that others disagree but that's my belief.

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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:23 am

PaintItBlack wrote:
but my basic belief is that E &D are in Heaven because they died so young they didn't have the spiritual maturity to realize the full and lasting impact of their actions.
I'm aware that others disagree but that's my belief.

I know what you mean. I understand what you're saying by that explanation. It might be true.
End of the day, afterlife, spirituality and religion isn't something that everyone will agree with.

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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:43 am

I would point out that Dylan inflicted a non-lethal wound on Lance. I believe he intentionally shot him in the jaw.

In the basement tapes, Dylan talks about shooting a student in the jaw. He threatens a student that he believes was unfairly blessed with a square jaw. This may have been a form of hatred that derived from a poor self-image about his own jutting jawline.

In any case, I believe Lance was Dylan's first attempt to get himself involved in the shooting, and he only ended up being freaked out by what he'd done. He steps over the next person he sees without shooting and he doesn't shoot to kill until Eric chastises him before they go into the library.

Later of course he is able to kill without a conscience or mercy but not at first.
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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:53 am

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I would point out that Dylan inflicted a non-lethal wound on Lance. I believe he intentionally shot him in the jaw.


So Dylan didn't need any easing but he used Lance as his starter practise and he was infact, freaked out? So are you trying to say he DID need some easing because Eric had to do that? Because he didn't kill anyone with his first few shots?

So the evilness of shooting lance doesn't justify him not needing to be eased you are trying to say, because he didn't kill him.

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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Thu Sep 15, 2016 10:57 am

That's a very reaching look with wanting to shoot someone specifically in the jaw but once again [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] you spill some magic that got me thinking and then leave.

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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:11 am

I don't know, maybe the easing is not that far off. John for example, was killed by Dylan's second shot, while Eric was around. A couple of times some students simply get injured before a second shot finally killed them.

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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Thu Sep 15, 2016 5:53 pm

I believe there is evidence Dylan was specifically targeting his jaw.

In the basement tapes Dylan remarks about a sophomore student (not Lance), ""He doesn’t deserve the jaw evolution gave him . . . look for his jaw. It won’t be on his body.”

Dylan of course had a very prominent jawline, so it is possible self-hatred motivated Dylan's decision to target Lance's jaw.
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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:14 pm

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until Eric chastises him before they go into the library.
What did Eric say?

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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:21 am

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until Eric chastises him before they go into the library.
What did Eric say?

"You're still with me on this, we are still gonna do this right?"

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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:15 am

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until Eric chastises him before they go into the library.
What did Eric say?

"You're still with me on this, we are still gonna do this right?"
Oh, I didn't know that this was considered chastising and I didn't know that it was confirmed that Eric was the one to say this. Thank you.

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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:17 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] it's not confirmed. Unless that was said the very first time entering the library I still wouldn't consider it confirmed. I'm still on the fence that Dylan needed easing really.

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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:56 pm

How is shotgun blast point-blank to the face considered 'non-lethal? Whether or not that little exchange between Dylan and Lance actually happened, ît was still a pretty heinous thing to do since he must've known he was still alive (Danny yo, he was only shot in the leg at this point).
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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:24 am

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How is shotgun blast point-blank to the face considered 'non-lethal? Whether or not that little exchange between Dylan and Lance actually happened, ît was still a pretty heinous thing to do since he must've known he was still alive (Danny yo, he was only shot in the leg at this point).

I think he was trying to state the fact that Dylan may have consciously chose not to kill Lance, he just shot him at an area that will have him suffer but he wouldn't die, thus the speculation that only when Eric was around Dylan had to "cave in" and legitimately fatally kill kids.

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PostSubject: Re: Eased into killing   Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:22 am

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I believe there is evidence Dylan was specifically targeting his jaw.
I ask how you deem it possible to aim for someone's jaw when you are pointing a shotgun at someone's face at point blank range? Both Dylan and Eric were hopeless with guns, that shot would have been intended to be lethal.

lasttrain wrote:
In the basement tapes Dylan remarks about a sophomore student (not Lance), ""He doesn’t deserve the jaw evolution gave him . . . look for his jaw. It won’t be on his body.”
And you think he intended to let that student live?

lasttrain wrote:
Dylan of course had a very prominent jawline, so it is possible self-hatred motivated Dylan's decision to target Lance's jaw.  
I don't believe a person's specific "jaw" was on Dylan's mind that day, I believe shooting anybody he saw or ran into was -- which is what he pretty much did.
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