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PostSubject: Re: What made Eric suicidal?   Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:36 pm

I think Eric felt miserable. He's fixated on his problems. There was nothing strong enough to distract him from his anger and frustration.

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PostSubject: Re: What made Eric suicidal?   Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:46 pm

not sure Eric was suicidal.. just the option that played out. Shootout suicide via cops or escaping and hijacking a plane or some other fantasy was preferred, but he certainly would take suicide over incarceration that's for sure.

Eric=focused on destruction.. end game was just part of the deal.

Dylan=focused on ending his life.. mass murder was just part of the deal.
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PostSubject: Re: What made Eric suicidal?   Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:00 am

I think he was suicidal to some extent. He just didn't see the world as worth living in. He didn't want to fade away, he wanted to do what he always wanted to do. Two birds with one stone I guess.

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PostSubject: Re: What made Eric suicidal?   Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:36 am

Fatheroftwo is right.

Eric was not suicidal. But he was willing to die for a big national event, much like Timothy McVeigh was.
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PostSubject: Re: What made Eric suicidal?   Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:09 pm

It was documented while Eric was in the diversion program that he stated he would get suicidal here and there, mostly out of anger. It's also documented in the paperwork his parents filled out that he had discussed having suicidal thoughts (in addition to his anger and mood swings) with his therapist then was prescribed medication. You can find this info here, for anyone who doesn't feel like digging through the 11k:

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So even though Eric may not have been suicidal on the same level or for the same reasons Dylan was, it's been documented that he did express having suicidal feelings.
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PostSubject: Re: What made Eric suicidal?   Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:04 pm

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not sure Eric was suicidal..  just the option that played out.  Shootout suicide via cops or escaping and hijacking a plane or some other fantasy was preferred, but he certainly would take suicide over incarceration that's for sure.

Eric=focused on destruction.. end game was just part of the deal.

Dylan=focused on ending his life..  mass murder was just part of the deal.

Yeah but for someone who felt that mass murder "was just part of the deal", he sure did seem to enjoy it a lot. He was the one whooping and hollering during the shooting, talking to the victims and having the time of his life, while Eric was pretty quiet. Not to mention Dylan wrote about wanting to kill people before he even decided on doing it with Eric.
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PostSubject: Re: What made Eric suicidal?   Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:23 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] exactly. He enjoyed it alot cuz he finally had the obligation to die.

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PostSubject: Re: What made Eric suicidal?   Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:38 pm

Sad situation for everyone. I think Dylan and Eric wanted to be loved by their peers in school, I just don't understand why didn't give them a chance.
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PostSubject: Re: What made Eric suicidal?   Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:22 pm

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] exactly. He enjoyed it alot cuz he finally had the obligation to die.

I still think they wanted to kill people AND die themselves equally. In Dylan's case, I really don't think someone who is suicidal will go for mass murder just as an excuse to die. Not unless he already liked the idea of murder (which can be seen in Dylan's earlier journal entries).

As for Eric, he wouldn't have gone through with the revenge and destruction he craved unless he also wanted to die. It wouldn't have been worth it to him no matter how badly he wanted revenge, if he liked himself and had things to look forward to he wouldn't have done it.
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PostSubject: Re: What made Eric suicidal?   Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:29 pm

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It was documented while Eric was in the diversion program that he stated he would get suicidal here and there, mostly out of anger. It's also documented in the paperwork his parents filled out that he had discussed having suicidal thoughts (in addition to his anger and mood swings) with his therapist then was prescribed medication. You can find this info here, for anyone who doesn't feel like digging through the 11k:

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So even though Eric may not have been suicidal on the same level or for the same reasons Dylan was, it's been documented that he did express having suicidal feelings.
It seems that Eric was more sincere about his problems (although he later regretted it). Dylan was hiding, I guess he wanted to look "normal". Well, Dylan almost didn't trust anyone with his secrets.

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PostSubject: Re: What made Eric suicidal?   Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:48 pm

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Sad situation for everyone. I think Dylan and Eric wanted to be loved by their peers in school, I just don't understand why didn't give them a chance.
Why do you think that no one loved them? But what about their friends who did not turn away from them, even after what they did? The problem is that they wanted much more...

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PostSubject: Re: What made Eric suicidal?   Sun Feb 12, 2017 6:51 am

Ok. I'm taking my med's in order to answer this. (And, no they don't help) WHY, BRAD are they perpetual victims to YOU? You say these sympathetic, apologist platitudes and then duck out with no answer. WHY? They were no more bullied than an average teen in NINETEEN NINETY NINE. Maybe less. Peopled luuuuurved them, I'm sure. People were their FRIENDS. They had it far better than most, despite their VICTIM MENTALITY! Hell, I never got to throw a pipe bomb in a field, so they had it better than me.

I'm not required to be nice to ANYONE, from childhood until now. I'm not required to hahash stoooopid bullshit, ad nauseum. Why? Because I have an unbreakable backbone and I'm a very strong personality.
I sympathize with those who are truly bullied. These "idols"'you laude are NOT who I sympathize with.
And I don't live in the past.
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PostSubject: Re: What made Eric suicidal?   Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:08 am

Well, most women wouldn't give them a chance. One girl insulted Eric in front of the whole classroom, now was that right? I don't think so, she could've told him somewhere else. Little stuff like that builds up inside of you and turns into anger.
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PostSubject: Re: What made Eric suicidal?   Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:56 am

Who.Gives.Two.Shits about a SECADE ago! You are cherry picking and then baiting us with that logic. I see my previous advice fell upon deaf ears when I encouraged you to research, beginning to end. Not the, oh poor guy can't get any angle noe the, oh poor guy got looked at cross eyed angles.

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PostSubject: Re: What made Eric suicidal?   Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:34 pm

Hey, if you don't like what I post, then don't respond to them, it's as simple as that.
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PostSubject: Re: What made Eric suicidal?   Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:37 pm

It's not about not liking what you post [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. You just keep going in circles with your questions and your points.

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PostSubject: Re: What made Eric suicidal?   Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:53 pm

@bradt93 That's the rallying cry of neonates who need a bottle of milk, worldwide. I HAVE been nice and FAR more patient with your incessant whining than most. My feeeeeeeling is you are here to bait people into such inane conundrums as Whyyyyyy didn't girls liiiiiike them? Maybe they emanated crazy like waves on hot pavement. Maybe they stunk to high heavens. Who knows, who cares. In the end, it mattered not.

No, "I don't like what you post". It's the logic of a preschooler (those monsters I don't like, by the way). You are dealing with successful, intelligent people here, who, no matter their background, hold their head up high and go on with LIFE. And at 28? Get to living in the here and now.

Further, I will counter your every inane, weak argument where possible. YOU don't tell ME where to respond. Got that? Tattoo it in your lower back as a reminder.
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PostSubject: Re: What made Eric suicidal?   Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:34 pm

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PostSubject: Re: What made Eric suicidal?   Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:40 pm

And, that, brad, is game, set, match. There's no emojis for what I intend for you. Except a baby bottle, a middle finger and a laugh.
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PostSubject: Re: What made Eric suicidal?   Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:42 pm

I guess you don't understand what it's like to be bullied and it scars you for life.
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PostSubject: Re: What made Eric suicidal?   Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:55 pm

Alright. Posting the same questions and comments in different threads isn't going to get you different answers. You can ask why the school didnt stop bullying, why didn't e&d just kill bullies, why didn't girls like e&d, why were innocent people the ones who were killed etc. as much as you want in whatever thread you want, but at this point I doubt you're gonna get any responses that will be different than the ones you've already gotten. If the comments here aren't good enough to satisfy your questions, maybe try doing a Google search or reading some books on the subject that were written by people who work in the mental health field instead of repeating yourself over and over again on a public forum, expecting some magic response to end all the questions. People here have been very accomodating to you even when you haven't been very cooperative (like you not acknowledging the questions people ask You), so try to look outside of yourself and understand that your repetitive behavior is becoming frustrating to some.
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PostSubject: Re: What made Eric suicidal?   Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:30 pm

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I guess you don't understand what it's like to be bullied and it scars you for life.
If you want to discuss the topic of bullying and their effects, you can create a topic under "mental health". I see that you really want to talk about it. May be due to your Asperger's you are not good at dealing with the consequences of bullying and do not quite understand why others can't respond to your questions. Sorry if I'm wrong.

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PostSubject: Re: What made Eric suicidal?   Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:38 am

I think Eric was suicidal because besides hating the world and the way life operated, he felt he didn't belong here.He felt like nothing would ever change, he'd never find his place, he'd never find the right people who he could truly belong with.
He'd go through life like the misfit he somewhat was always searching, never finding, always frustrated and lonely.
Eric was a very angry individual but I think he was also a deeply lonely one. I've often had an imagined image of him staring out that small window in his room late at night when the whole neighborhood was silent and he was the only one awake probably for 5 miles around,looking into the black night sky and thinking of his loneliness and how he'd never find the things he was looking for and how hopeless life seemed to him.
I think those are the times he'd really let himself think about it.

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PostSubject: Re: What made Eric suicidal?   Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:09 pm

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I guess you don't understand what it's like to be bullied and it scars you for life.

Have you considered the possibility that maybe your own experience is not the best prism for viewing Eric's and Dylan's?

That maybe they were not like you, didn't have your experiences, didn't think or feel the way you did?

I am saying this to you respectfully, trying to get you to consider another point of view.
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