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PostSubject: Do we know what the plans were??   Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:33 am

I'm currently reading Dave Cullen's book, "Columbine"....and find it very interesting!!

But since the "shootings" weren't the plans.....as they had planted the bombs and planned to shoot whoever tried to escape.

What did they originally plan to do to themselves.....or do we even know?? Did they plan to shoot themselves in the parking lot or some other place??

Just curious questions. Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: Do we know what the plans were??   Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:41 am

There were a couple of ideas they mentioned, inc. hijacking a plane.

I think the realistic one was suicide by cop & go out in what they saw as a blaze of glory.
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PostSubject: Re: Do we know what the plans were??   Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:24 am

This is a really interesting question that I've never thought about until now!
Did they just plan to stay in the parking lot, shooting survivors the entire time until the cops showed up and killed them? That sounds kind of silly. I wonder what the game plan was.
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PostSubject: Re: Do we know what the plans were??   Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:31 am

They had plans. Eric planned just about everything in his journals. He mentioned a previous school shooting and how that was a pussy way.
From what I can tell the bombs was what everything was based around and the guns allowed them to kill people left/out of blast. It also left them more control in the event. More power. And leading up to it they seem obsessed with their guns and Eric SEEMED to have a personal relationship with his shotgun, naming it even.
They also carried knives into columbine. I think it was all to give them as much of an opportunity to hurt people as possible.
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PostSubject: Re: Do we know what the plans were??   Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:25 am

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They had plans. Eric planned just about everything in his journals. He mentioned a previous school shooting and how that was a pussy way.
From what I can tell the bombs was what everything was based around and the guns allowed them to kill people left/out of blast. It also left them more control in the event. More power.

Yeah that was their plan. Please remember that Columbine was meant to be a bombing, Columbine was a failed bomb plot. The shooting was improvised and even that in itself sucked thankfully. The moment the bomb failed that day, everything they did that day was thought on the spot and it was messy.

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PostSubject: Re: Do we know what the plans were??   Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:54 am

I think the knives were just accessories to "complete the set" in my opinion.

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PostSubject: Re: Do we know what the plans were??   Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:31 am

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I think the knives were just accessories to "complete the set" in my opinion.
I think they thought the knives made them look badass, but could also be used if someone tried to jump them while they reloaded.
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PostSubject: Re: Do we know what the plans were??   Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:36 am

Yup, I made a specific thread about the knives awhile ago. Now that it's been brought up abit, I honestly feel that they wouldn't have the balls to use a knife and stab people if they were to get jumped. I wish on 4/20 a group of kids decide hey what the hell and then jump them. Who knows, they might've gotten at least one of them down.

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PostSubject: Re: Do we know what the plans were??   Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:50 am

Stabbing someone is up close and personal, I don't think they were wanting to do that, it was more "peacocking"... Look at me I look bad ass.

Think about it, their plan was to blow up the school, and shoot fleeing survivors, not one iota of up close and personal about doing this. Plus they would have to back them up into whatever or the other hold them at gun point while the other one does it.

The only way I could see the knifes coming into play would be if they were shot and laying there waiting for the EMS or Officer to come to them and try to attack them with it. OR maybe this goes back to another thread I said that suicide by cop is not a good way because they could have just been wounded, they might have had the knife so if they were wounded and couldnt fire their guns they had a knife to slit their wrists. But as we all know Dylan had a 9mm bullet in his boot, Dylan made sure he had that so if he did run out of ammo he knew he had one bullet left and that was reserved for him.

Of course this is all just my opinion.
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PostSubject: Re: Do we know what the plans were??   Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:57 am

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Yup, I made a specific thread about the knives awhile ago. Now that it's been brought up abit, I honestly feel that they wouldn't have the balls to use a knife and stab people if they were to get jumped. I wish on 4/20 a group of kids decide hey what the hell and then jump them. Who knows, they might've gotten at least one of them down.
Yes, I think they would have panicked had someone or group tried to jump them, and doubt if they would have used the knives especially Dylan was sorta clumsy and probably would have dropped the knife if he even was able to get it out. Eric might have been able to draw his knife but not sure either could actually stab someone.
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PostSubject: Re: Do we know what the plans were??   Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:02 am

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Yup, I made a specific thread about the knives awhile ago. Now that it's been brought up abit, I honestly feel that they wouldn't have the balls to use a knife and stab people if they were to get jumped. I wish on 4/20 a group of kids decide hey what the hell and then jump them. Who knows, they might've gotten at least one of them down.

I don't think that would have been a smart idea. You can't just jump a guy wielding two guns.

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PostSubject: Re: Do we know what the plans were??   Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:02 am

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The only way I could see the knifes coming into play would be if they were shot and laying there waiting for the EMS or Officer to come to them and try to attack them with it. OR maybe this goes back to another thread I said that suicide by cop is not a good way because they could have just been wounded, they might have had the knife so if they were wounded and couldnt fire their guns they had a knife to slit their wrists. But as we all know Dylan had a 9mm bullet in his boot, Dylan made sure he had that so if he did run out of ammo he knew he had one bullet left and that was reserved for him.

Of course this is all just my opinion.

Very good possibilities. I highly doubt they dare touch any of the knives at all. They needed that space between their victim and themselves, and the perfect weapon is the gun.

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PostSubject: Re: Do we know what the plans were??   Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:04 am

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I don't think that would have been a smart idea. You can't just jump a guy wielding two guns.
But they suck at using it. Unless amongst that group of friends one or two is willing to sacrifice their lives to take the bullet while the others smother them quick.

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PostSubject: Re: Do we know what the plans were??   Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:04 am

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The only way I could see the knifes coming into play would be if they were shot and laying there waiting for the EMS or Officer to come to them and try to attack them with it. OR maybe this goes back to another thread I said that suicide by cop is not a good way because they could have just been wounded, they might have had the knife so if they were wounded and couldnt fire their guns they had a knife to slit their wrists. But as we all know Dylan had a 9mm bullet in his boot, Dylan made sure he had that so if he did run out of ammo he knew he had one bullet left and that was reserved for him.

Of course this is all just my opinion.

Very good possibilities. I highly doubt they dare touch any of the knives at all. They needed that space between their victim and themselves, and the perfect weapon is the gun.

I agree. There is no way they had the courage to use their knives on any of their victims. But maybe they brought them for practical purposes; like they maybe needed to cut something down or skin a wire of the bombs, stuff like that.

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PostSubject: Re: Do we know what the plans were??   Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:11 am

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But they suck at using it. Unless amongst that group of friends one or two is willing to sacrifice their lives to take the bullet while the others smother them quick.
I see what you mean. Still though I doubt it would have been a successful take down. Maybe I'm not thinking hard enough.

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PostSubject: Re: Do we know what the plans were??   Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:13 am

I feel like if a bunch of kids were to jump both boys from behind there would be no way they would be fast enough to shoot them all before being taken down.

It wouldn't be "smart" but it might have saved some lives.

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PostSubject: Re: Do we know what the plans were??   Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:15 am

I'm thinking out of other crimes on documentaries where a lone gunman gets taken down and it worked. If the group figures out which way to come in from and how fast they do it, It's very possible.

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PostSubject: Re: Do we know what the plans were??   Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:24 am

Well realistically nobody wants to get shot even if could have saved some lives. I just can't picture a few boys who possess no fighting/combat experience to over power Harris and Klebold. If they were swift and agile like Jet Li or Jackie Chan, then yeah maybe.

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PostSubject: Re: Do we know what the plans were??   Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:48 am

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Well realistically nobody wants to get shot even if could have saved some lives. I just can't picture a few boys who possess no fighting/combat experience to over power Harris and Klebold. If they were swift and agile like Jet Li or Jackie Chan, then yeah maybe.

Very true and that is what happened that day.
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PostSubject: Re: Do we know what the plans were??   Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:48 pm

I don't know how "successful" shooting fleeing students would have been. Granted the bombs would killed the 450+ in the cafeteria/commons but CHS had over 1000 and that's a lot of people stampeding out of there. I mean just watch that cafeteria CCTV video and see how quickly that room clears. On top of that, the boys, thankfully, had sucky guns. Plus, Neil Gardner showed up within minutes and more police soon followed, their diversion bomb (was there only one?) didn't divert anybody.


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PostSubject: Re: Do we know what the plans were??   Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:51 pm

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I'm currently reading Dave Cullen's book, "Columbine"....and find it very interesting!!

But since the "shootings" weren't the plans.....as they had planted the bombs and planned to shoot whoever tried to escape.

What did they originally plan to do to themselves.....or do we even know??  Did they plan to shoot themselves in the parking lot or some other place??  

Just curious questions.  Thanks!


Please take this entire book with a grain of salt.It's essentially fiction.

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