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PostSubject: Body Count    Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:43 am

13 in total but how many victims were killed by eric and how many by dylan ?  

the cnn diagrams shows this , but , im too lazy or too high to analyse them all over again .

Anyone knows the exact figure ?
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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:24 am

Eric killed 8 people, Dylan killed 5 people.
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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:57 am

For some, how do they determine who killed them as they've been shot by both E & D? The area of the bullet that would for sure take the person out?

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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Sun Sep 18, 2016 5:11 am

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For some, how do they determine who killed them as they've been shot by both E & D? The area of the bullet that would for sure take the person out?
Wikipedia lists their individual kill counts now.

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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Sun Sep 18, 2016 5:34 am

I know as in, some victims had been shot by both of them, so I'm gonna assume the second shot or the fatal shot would count as the person (Eric or Dylan) who killed them.

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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Sun Sep 18, 2016 5:36 am

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I know as in, some victims had been shot by both of them, so I'm gonna assume the second shot or the fatal shot would count as the person (Eric or Dylan) who killed them.
Ballistics determined who killed who. For example, Eric's shot to Danny's chest killed him, but Dylan shot him again anyway. That would count for Eric and not Dylan.
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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Sun Sep 18, 2016 5:37 am

Whatttttt really? That's...okay.
Hm...
Edit: yeah you are right that's what I meant too. I mean the fatal shot would determine.

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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Sun Sep 18, 2016 5:38 am

What about John Tomlin? Eric shot him first but Dylan killed him. So Dylan right?

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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:36 am

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What about John Tomlin? Eric shot him first but Dylan killed him. So Dylan right?
Dylan kicked him, but Eric shot him.. So that counts for Eric.

Just like Dylan tried to grap Isiah, but Eric ended up killing him -- then Dylan killed Matt.
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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:06 am

I must have got the info wrong then. In zero hour it gave off the impression that Dylan's shot killed John.

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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:43 am

shades wrote:
I must have got the info wrong then. In zero hour it gave off the impression that Dylan's shot killed John.

all these documentaries about the columbine shooting spree were made by mainstream media , so dont expect every information about the shooting to be reliable .


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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:54 pm

I thought Eric shot Nicole and John, then when John tried to crawl away Dylan kicked him then shot him again, killing him
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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:20 pm

That's what I thought

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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:37 pm

Okay, I'm gonna give it a go from memory
Rachel- Eric
Danny - Eric (I thought Dylan)
Dave Sandérs- undetermined ballistics
Kyle - Dylan
Steven- Eric (I'm guessing)
Cassie- Eric
Isaiah- Eric
Matt- Dylan
Lauren- I don't know
John- Eric (I thought Dylan)
Kelly- I don't know
Daniel- Eric
Corey- I don't know
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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:05 pm

NotYourRobot wrote:
Okay, I'm gonna give it a go from memory
Rachel- Eric
Danny - Eric (I thought Dylan)
Dave Sandérs- undetermined ballistics
Kyle - Dylan
Steven- Eric (I'm guessing)
Cassie- Eric
Isaiah- Eric
Matt- Dylan
Lauren- I don't know
John- Eric (I thought Dylan)
Kelly- I don't know
Daniel- Eric
Corey- I don't know
Rachel - Eric
Danny - Eric
Sanders - Eric
Kyle - Dylan
Steven - Eric
Cassie - Eric
Isiah - Eric
Matt - Dylan
Lauren - Dylan
John - Dylan
Kelly - Eric.
Daniel - Eric
Corey - Dylan.


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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:08 pm

NotYourRobot wrote:
I thought Eric shot Nicole and John, then when John tried to crawl away Dylan kicked him then shot him again, killing him
Dylan kicked John when he was hiding, then Eric shot him.
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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:43 pm

In order of death(s):

Rachel Scott - shot and killed by Eric.
Richard Castaldo - shot by Eric and Dylan.
Daniel Rohrbough - shot and killed by Eric. Shot again by Dylan shortly thereafter.
Sean Graves - shot by Eric.
Lance Kirkin - shot by Eric. Shot again by Dylan shortly thereafter.
Michael Johnson - shot by Eric and Dylan.
Mark Taylor - shot by Eric and Dylan.
Anne-Marie Hochhalter - shot by Eric.
Patti Nielson - shot at by Eric and Dylan.
Brian Anderson - shot at by Eric and Dylan.
Stephanie Munson - shot by Dylan.
Dave Sanders - shot and killed by Eric.
Evan Todd - underneath desk Eric shot at, injured by wood splinters.
Kyle Velasquez - shot and killed by Dylan.
Patrick Ireland - shot by Dylan.
Daniel Steepleton - shot by Dylan.
Makai Hall - shot by Dylan.
Steven Curnow - shot and killed by Eric.
Kacey Ruegsegger - shot by Eric.
Cassie Bernall - shot and killed by Eric.
Isiah Shoels - shot and killed by Eric.
Matthew Kechter - shot and killed by Dylan.
Mark Kintgen - shot by Dylan.
Lisa Kreutz - shot by Dylan.
Valeen Schnurr - shot by Dylan.
Lauren Townsend - shot and killed by Dylan.
Nicole Nowlen - shot by Eric.
John Tomlin - shot by Eric, then kicked by Dylan and eventually killed by him (my mistake).
Kelly Fleming - shot and killed by Eric.
Jeanna Park - shot by Eric.
Daniel Mauser - shot and killed by Eric.
Jennifer Doyle - shot by Eric and Dylan.
Austin Eubanks - shot by Eric and Dylan.
Corey Depooter - shot and killed by Dylan.

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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:48 pm

They shot 34 people in total, killing 13 and injuring 21.

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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:09 pm

And all but the first few in 7 minutes
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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:15 am


From those injured/killed in the Library:

Pages 011140-011141:

1. Brian Anderson (treated and released) - shot by Harris (actually injured by west doors prior to entering the library).
2. Jennifer Doyle (hospitalized) - shot by Klebold.
3. Steven Eubanks (treated and released) - shot by Harris.
4. Makai Hail (hospitalized) - shot by Klebold.
5. Patrick Ireland (hospitalized) - shot by Klebold.
6. Mark Kintgen (hospitalized) - shot by Klebold.
7. Lisa Kreutz (hospitalized) - shot by both Klebold and Harris.
8. Patricia Nielsen (treated and released) - shot by Harris (actually injured by west doors prior to entering the library).
9. Nicole Nowlen (hospitalized) - shot by Harris.
10. Kacey Reugsegger (hospitalized) - shot by Harris.
11. Jeanna Park (hospitalized) - shot by Harris.
12. Vaieen Schnurr (hospitalized) - shot by Klebold.
13. Danny Steepleton (hospitalized) - shot by Klebold.
14. Evan Todd (hospitalized) - shot by Harris.

To summarize the above information, Eric Harris was responsible for injuring seven people by himself while Dylan Klebold injured six people. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris were both responsible for injuring one of the individuals.


The deceased were identified as follows:

1. Cassie Bernall - shot by Harris.
2. Steven Curnow - shot by Harris.
3. Corey DePooter - shot by Klebold and Harris.
4. Kelly Fleming - shot by Harris.
5. Matthew Kechter - shot by Klebold.
6. Daniel Mauser - shot by Harris.
7. Isaiah Shoels - shot by Harris.
8. John Tomlin - shot by both Klebold and Harris.
9. Lauren Townsend - shot by both Klebold and Harris.
10. Kyle Velasquez - shot by Klebold.

In summary, Eric Harris was responsible for killing five students, while Dylan Klebold killed two Together Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed an additional three students.


*More information on victims on pages 011868-011870 as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:29 am

Now this is clear and perfect. Thank you you guys.

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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:34 am

So can the official list that's been going around really be relied on? Cause there literally some deceased that could have been killed by both. It can't really be assumed the death is caused by whom, having the body count for the individual increase.

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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:36 am

One of them had to administer the fatal shot. They both did not fatally shoot people at the same exact time. Like Lauren for example, it was Dylan that fatally shot her. Regardless if Eric shot her or not, she would have died by the bullet Dylan hit her with. Therefore making him responsible for her death.

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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:31 pm

sororityalpha wrote:

From those injured/killed in the Library:

Pages 011140-011141:

1. Brian Anderson (treated and released) - shot by Harris (actually injured by west doors prior to entering the library).
2. Jennifer Doyle (hospitalized) - shot by Klebold.
3. Steven Eubanks (treated and released) - shot by Harris.
4. Makai Hail (hospitalized) - shot by Klebold.
5. Patrick Ireland (hospitalized) - shot by Klebold.
6. Mark Kintgen (hospitalized) - shot by Klebold.
7. Lisa Kreutz (hospitalized) - shot by both Klebold and Harris.
8. Patricia Nielsen (treated and released) - shot by Harris (actually injured by west doors prior to entering the library).
9. Nicole Nowlen (hospitalized) - shot by Harris.
10. Kacey Reugsegger (hospitalized) - shot by Harris.
11. Jeanna Park (hospitalized) - shot by Harris.
12. Vaieen Schnurr (hospitalized) - shot by Klebold.
13. Danny Steepleton (hospitalized) - shot by Klebold.
14. Evan Todd (hospitalized) - shot by Harris.

To summarize the above information, Eric Harris was responsible for injuring seven people by himself while Dylan Klebold injured six people. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris were both responsible for injuring one of the individuals.


The deceased were identified as follows:

1. Cassie Bernall - shot by Harris.
2. Steven Curnow - shot by Harris.
3. Corey DePooter - shot by Klebold and Harris. (The autopsy found that Klebold killed DePooter).
4. Kelly Fleming - shot by Harris.
5. Matthew Kechter - shot by Klebold.
6. Daniel Mauser - shot by Harris.
7. Isaiah Shoels - shot by Harris.
8. John Tomlin - shot by both Klebold and Harris. (Klebold killed this student however).
9. Lauren Townsend - shot by both Klebold and Harris. (The autopsy found Klebold was responsible for this death).
10. Kyle Velasquez - shot by Klebold.

In summary, Eric Harris was responsible for killing five students, while Dylan Klebold killed two Together Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed an additional three students.


*More information on victims on pages 011868-011870 as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:01 pm

Jenn wrote:
One of them had to administer the fatal shot. They both did not fatally shoot people at the same exact time. Like Lauren for example, it was Dylan that fatally shot her. Regardless if Eric shot her or not, she would have died by the bullet Dylan hit her with. Therefore making him responsible for her death.

Neither were keeping tabs on body count. And if they had by this time as a result of the "fog of war" they likely believed they killed dozens.

People think Eric was the more "psychopathic" killer but it was simply because he was conscious enough to send more rounds down range. It's not like Eric was a proficient shooter. Reasons being that his carbine would likely have been better at a longer range than Dylan's jam-o-matic Tec 9 to begin with. Neither had the experience or range time to truly assess who was better at shooting. I can't remember but i think Dylan ended up favoring his DB shotgun and eric his carbine. I'll be fair I don't know what type of shell was used for their shotguns. Slugs? Buck? Game/target load? So many factors go into shooting, especially up close.

If it were me, I would have favored the game/target load. Slugs seems to kick less than buck (some would disagree) but my experience varies which would wear one down after several shots. Target/game would have been advantageous at a closer ranger due to the spread and less of the kick (less kick of the gun attrition).
The nines (both Dylan and Eric had nine parabellum) would have come down to a "hand gun vs a long rifle/carbine". Personally I am not as proficient with a hand gun as I am with a rifle and that might contribute to Erics higher kill count.

Although one had to administer the fatal shot but if both took shots at the same target it would come down to placement and or ballistic of the gun.

This is part of why I believe after 20 minutes or so they realize, despite their "hooting and hollering" after it wore off, it was ' Hey I don't wanna go to jail. neither do I. Well, let's do this'. I think they realize they fucked up and it was time to atone for their sins with God whether they believed in him or not.

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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:38 pm

Imperator wrote:
People think Eric was the more "psychopathic" killer but it was simply because he was conscious enough to send more rounds down range.  It's not like Eric was a proficient shooter.  Reasons being that his carbine would likely have been better at a longer range than Dylan's jam-o-matic Tec 9 to begin with.  Neither had the experience or range time to truly assess who was better at shooting.  I can't remember but i think Dylan ended up favoring his DB shotgun and eric his carbine.  I'll be fair I don't know what type of shell was used for their shotguns.  Slugs?  Buck?  Game/target load?  So many factors go into shooting, especially up close.  

If it were me, I would have favored the game/target load.  Slugs seems to kick less than buck (some would disagree) but my experience varies which would wear one down after several shots.  Target/game would have been advantageous at a closer ranger due to the spread and less of the kick (less kick of the gun attrition).  
The nines (both Dylan and Eric had nine parabellum) would have come down to a "hand gun vs a long rifle/carbine".  Personally I am not as proficient with a hand gun as I am with a rifle and that might contribute to Erics higher kill count.  

Although one had to administer the fatal shot but if both took shots at the same target it would come down to placement and or ballistic of the gun.  


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3” Winchester Super-X 00 Buck Shot Shells: Winchester Super-X shot shell consisted of 15 lead 00 buck shot pellets, white granulated buffer material, two thick fiber wads, tan in color, and one thin cup over the powder wad.

2 ¾” Federal 00 Buck Shot Shells: Federal Premium shot shell consisted of 9 copper washed 00 buck pellets with granulated buffer material, a white plastic shot cup with a flat base and an over the powder white plastic shot wad.

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PostSubject: Re: Body Count    Sun Oct 23, 2016 2:15 pm

Thanks for that info. We're these shells found spent or just what they have had on them (car/bag/person)?
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