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 What do we NOT know about Columbine 4/20/99?

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PostSubject: What do we NOT know about Columbine 4/20/99?   Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:59 pm

If we think about it, the things that we know occurred on the day of Columbine are also news that are carefully chosen to be released. Of course apart from that along the years we have accounts from students themselves, testimonies, books, etc.

What are things do we not know, though. Things about that day that are possibly kept from us and we never thought about it.

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PostSubject: Re: What do we NOT know about Columbine 4/20/99?   Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:30 pm

That's a very hard question to answer right there. I like to think what else is there not to know? Right now all I could think about now is Eric's family and hear their side of the story about their late son/brother.

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PostSubject: Re: What do we NOT know about Columbine 4/20/99?   Fri Nov 25, 2016 5:02 pm

The same things in anyone's life.
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PostSubject: hmmmm   Fri Nov 25, 2016 6:05 pm

-Why the boys didn't kill anyone else after 11:36 PM
-Why they told Brooks Brown to go home after repeatedly threatening him online
-Whether there was anything personal involved in killing Rachel Scott
-What "Nixon" meant (i.e., naming it "Nixon")

Then there's the matter of conflicting testimonies about Rachel Scott dying instantly or not, Cassie Bernall praying or not, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: What do we NOT know about Columbine 4/20/99?   Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:55 am

-I believe they were waiting to ambush some police that came into the school and didn't want to blow their cover.

-After Brooks showed concern for Eric, Eric felt that Brooks actually cared about him when he thought Brooks was out to ruin his life, so he "liked him" now.

-Brook's mom says Dylan liked Rachel Scott and knew her, and helped her with some homework. Not sure how valid that is. I think they just wanted to kill everything they could.

-Nixon could refer to vietnam in some fashion. He did mention it in his journal but I am not sure:
“In less than nine hours now, people will die because of me, it will be a day that will be remembered forever.”
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PostSubject: Re: What do we NOT know about Columbine 4/20/99?   Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:26 pm

You know what the best part is, we can't actually know for sure if that conversation with Brooks actually happened. Eric isn't around to prove that. Were that witness at all seeing the both of them tgt outside?

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PostSubject: Re: What do we NOT know about Columbine 4/20/99?   Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:20 pm

I agree with the speculation I've seen floating around that Brooks saw something suspicious or caught sight of Eric's weapons and high tailed it out of there. Wasn't Eric's original plan to kill Brooks and his family first? It seems unlikely that during Eric's one and only chance to go on a killing spree he lets the one person he's harboured a significant amount of hatred for (for years!) go... But it could also fall into the theory that they couldn't shoot anyone who had direct contact with them. Whatever Really happened, Brooks sure was lucky.
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PostSubject: Re: What do we NOT know about Columbine 4/20/99?   Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:07 am

The "interesting tidbits about Brooks Brown" thread seems to have quite a few answers to whether or not the Eric-Brooks conversation happened. I'm going to believe that it did.
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PostSubject: Re: What do we NOT know about Columbine 4/20/99?   Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:02 am

Other than what was caught on camera, what happened outside, and what happened in the library, we don't really know much of what they were doing when they were just shooting at nothing in the hallways. Apparently a few people there were actually shot at in the hallway, but weren't actually shot in the begging of the attack inside the school. (Video below)


I have also heard reports that for a brief period of time, they were shooting at kids at the Cafeteria before everybody was evacuated (Most likely false).
But there are three moments in the columbine high school massacre that are poorly documented.
-From the time between when they went into the school and when they entered the library.
-The time between when they left the library and entered the cafeteria.
And probably one of the most mysterious of all of them
-The ten minute period between when they left the cafeteria and when they committed suicide.
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PostSubject: Re: What do we NOT know about Columbine 4/20/99?   Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:43 pm

I'd like to see the notes from Eric's therapist . I think they could be very telling as to what may have been going on with him.

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PostSubject: Re: What do we NOT know about Columbine 4/20/99?   Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:57 pm

Their exact movements through the school.
The Brooks Brown encounter.
Time of Dylan's suicide.
Their morning routine, what they did that morning before going to CHS.

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PostSubject: Re: What do we NOT know about Columbine 4/20/99?   Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:24 pm

BornToKill wrote:
Their exact movements through the school.

This is actually a very bold point. We don't know their exact movements through the school and things they could have done or left behind.

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PostSubject: Re: What do we NOT know about Columbine 4/20/99?   Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:27 pm

Good answers [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Their morning routine too even a minute of it.

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PostSubject: Re: What do we NOT know about Columbine 4/20/99?   Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:29 pm

I would also like to know more about the authorities' immediate actions right after the shooting meaning after they identified the boys. I remember Danny's dad and Randy brown talked on the radio show about how jeffco had a secret meeting of some sort...urgh I'm gonna have to hear that episode again.

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PostSubject: Re: What do we NOT know about Columbine 4/20/99?   Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:07 pm

I would like to know exactly when the authorities knew the identities of the victims yet didn't inform the families for almost 24 hours after the shootings, and why they promised a final bus that never arrived at the grade school and they knew was never going to arrive. Also, what really happened the last few minutes before the boys suicide - why the library and did they say anything to each other or did Eric just kill himself without any warning and what was Dylan's reaction to that. So many questions that will never be answered.
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PostSubject: Re: What do we NOT know about Columbine 4/20/99?   Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:11 am

That's probably unrelated to that specific day; still it's something I do not have an answer for.-- I don't know if Eric's or Dylan's home computers have been re-examined during the years, but I'd really like to know if, with more advanced computer forensics tools, something important about their personal lives (maybe another journal?) could have suddenly popped out.
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PostSubject: Re: What do we NOT know about Columbine 4/20/99?   Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:00 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] or maybe an online account that's still out there untouched or archived that belongs to either Eric or Dylan.

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PostSubject: Re: What do we NOT know about Columbine 4/20/99?   Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:56 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:
That's probably unrelated to that specific day; still it's something I do not have an answer for.-- I don't know if Eric's or Dylan's home computers have been re-examined during the years, but I'd really like to know if, with more advanced computer forensics tools, something important about their personal lives (maybe another journal?) could have suddenly popped out.

With what we have today we could access what Dylan had on his hdd. May not be anything groundbreaking but it would be something new. I don't know if they have looked at it but if they did they probably would hold off on telling anyone anything for as long as they could.
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