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PostSubject: Bullying?   Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:12 am

You know I think bullying had a part to do with shooting rather than being mentally ill. I was bullied in middle school and it hurts. Their is no reason for it. Why do people want to bully others for no reason? Don't they know it hurts? It wasn't an excuse for them to kill people, but anyone can have their breaking point.
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:54 pm

People tend to forget that Eric and Dylan weren't exactly at the bottom of the totem pole. Okay sure, people described them as so and they definitely saw themselves as that, losers, etc, but they really weren't. There were kids worse off than them, and they picked on others too. They were actually pretty average and surprisingly, cool enough. They had good friends, they did alright in schoolwork, they managed to get by. Do we even know what a loser is? A loser is someone with no hope. A loser is someone who probably doesn't even know they're losers. What their problem was was their self esteem. They were ungrateful. They wanted more. At one point I see why they were victimised, another I see them as brats.

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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:45 pm

I agree with [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Were they bullied? Yes they were. But were they also bullies themselves? Yes they were. Many kids (including myself) were bullied. Not all of them turn into killers so there has to be something else in the mix. That is where the mental illness kicks in. Depression can make you feel even more worthless than you already are. And thinking and seeing yourself as God can also mess with your head.

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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:09 pm

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I agree with [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].  Were they bullied?  Yes they were.  But were they also bullies themselves?  Yes they were.  Many kids (including myself) were bullied.  Not all of them turn into killers so there has to be something else in the mix.  That is where the mental illness kicks in.  Depression can make you feel even more worthless than you already are.  And thinking and seeing yourself as God can also mess with your head.
Well, why do jocks have to pick on others? To make them feel good about themselves even though they are probably football players or something like that? It tells me the jocks are very insecure about themselves too that they have to inflict pain on others.
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:27 pm

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Well, why do jocks have to pick on others? To make them feel good about themselves even though they are probably football players or something like that? It tells me the jocks are very insecure about themselves too that they have to inflict pain on others.

They ARE insecure of themselves. People pick on others all for their own expense. A normal, confident and nice person wouldn't do things like these.

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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:58 pm

I wasn't picked on by guys, but women picked on me? Now why would women pick on boys instead of girls?
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:43 pm

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I wasn't picked on by guys, but women picked on me? Now why would women pick on boys instead of girls?
I feel like your situation is more broader than that, down to what type of women are these and what kind of person are you. Did it start from somewhere, do they know who you are, etc. Regardless, if they're treating you that way you know these women aren't worth your time or at all.

And women pick on other women everyday.

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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:55 pm

shades, this was when I was middle school, 25 years ago. I'm now in college. It still hurts a little though. I've been going to therapy ever since. Also, yes they knew who I was.
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:38 pm

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shades, this was when I was middle school, 25 years ago. I'm now in college. It still hurts a little though. I've been going to therapy ever since. Also, yes they knew who I was.

You don't need them. I had a horrible high school experience too in the beginning. But I also knew my insecurities were all over the place. As far as I'm concerned, most of my past never happened. I hope you're able to deal with it, most importantly forget it. People plummet to their lowest to get shaped up and rise up again.

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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:10 am

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shades, this was when I was middle school, 25 years ago. I'm now in college. It still hurts a little though. I've been going to therapy ever since. Also, yes they knew who I was.

You don't need them. I had a horrible high school experience too in the beginning. But I also knew my insecurities were all over the place. As far as I'm concerned, most of my past never happened. I hope you're able to deal with it, most importantly forget it. People plummet to their lowest to get shaped up and rise up again.
Yes, also why couldn't Eric and Dylan find girlfriends? I know about Robyn, but what about Eric? Would you of gave them a chance and talked to them?
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:15 am

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shades, this was when I was middle school, 25 years ago. I'm now in college. It still hurts a little though. I've been going to therapy ever since. Also, yes they knew who I was.

You don't need them. I had a horrible high school experience too in the beginning. But I also knew my insecurities were all over the place. As far as I'm concerned, most of my past never happened. I hope you're able to deal with it, most importantly forget it. People plummet to their lowest to get shaped up and rise up again.
Yes, also why couldn't Eric and Dylan find girlfriends? I know about Robyn, but what about Eric? Would you of gave them a chance and talked to them?
Asking girls now if they'd give Dylan or Eric a chance is kind of unfair because of the fandom and how infamous they've become. Most girls say that, yes, they would have given both boys a shot. Well, if that were the case, how come neither one of them could find love? Hell, Eric couldn't even find someone to take to the prom just as date, let alone him trying to actually find a girlfriend.

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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Thu Dec 22, 2016 2:31 am

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shades, this was when I was middle school, 25 years ago. I'm now in college. It still hurts a little though. I've been going to therapy ever since. Also, yes they knew who I was.

You don't need them. I had a horrible high school experience too in the beginning. But I also knew my insecurities were all over the place. As far as I'm concerned, most of my past never happened. I hope you're able to deal with it, most importantly forget it. People plummet to their lowest to get shaped up and rise up again.
Yes, also why couldn't Eric and Dylan find girlfriends? I know about Robyn, but what about Eric? Would you of gave them a chance and talked to them?
Asking girls now if they'd give Dylan or Eric a chance is kind of unfair because of the fandom and how infamous they've become. Most girls say that, yes, they would have given both boys a shot. Well, if that were the case, how come neither one of them could find love? Hell, Eric couldn't even find someone to take to the prom just as date, let alone him trying to actually find a girlfriend.
Well, I have aspergers which is a social disorder, they could've had something like that. Also, don't most girls sense something is not right upstairs with some guys?
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Thu Dec 22, 2016 3:18 am

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shades, this was when I was middle school, 25 years ago. I'm now in college. It still hurts a little though. I've been going to therapy ever since. Also, yes they knew who I was.

You don't need them. I had a horrible high school experience too in the beginning. But I also knew my insecurities were all over the place. As far as I'm concerned, most of my past never happened. I hope you're able to deal with it, most importantly forget it. People plummet to their lowest to get shaped up and rise up again.
Yes, also why couldn't Eric and Dylan find girlfriends? I know about Robyn, but what about Eric? Would you of gave them a chance and talked to them?
Asking girls now if they'd give Dylan or Eric a chance is kind of unfair because of the fandom and how infamous they've become. Most girls say that, yes, they would have given both boys a shot. Well, if that were the case, how come neither one of them could find love? Hell, Eric couldn't even find someone to take to the prom just as date, let alone him trying to actually find a girlfriend.
Well, I have aspergers which is a social disorder, they could've had something like that. Also, don't most girls sense something is not right upstairs with some guys?
Maybe. I don't really know what other girls think but I can say that for myself personally, I may have been friends with Dylan and Eric (and that's a pretty big maybe) but I would not have been interested in either of them. And it's not because of their looks (even though I don't really find them attractive but looks isn't always the main thing for me), it's because of how hard they went out of their way to try and act different than everyone else. And also how they acted violent all the time, making videos of themselves killing people, writing stories about killing people, dressing like weird German Nazi's or whatever the hell that look Chris Morris and Dylan were trying to achieve with the berets and German T-shirts.

They may have had some bullying done to them at Columbine but they went out of their way not to fit in. Back in Eric's earlier years, before he got all messed up with Dylan, he used to dress preppy. He had a lot of friends who said that he was a really nice kid, he got along with everyone and that they were shocked that it was actually him who was involved in Columbine. I know a lot of people think Eric was this great mastermind just because he wrote up this journal lashing out and acting like he was this crazy madman. I don't believe that though. I think he was heavily influenced by Dylan. That's a whole other topic though. So to stay on topic, it is very possible that girls didn't want to date them because of hard they went out of their way to act crazy and dress differently and act violent both in and out of school.

I mean look at Brooks Brown, if he can get a girlfriend, I'm sure Dylan and Eric could have, right? I mean there's got to be some reason the girls didn't like them. I also think they were both way out of their league with the girls they were trying to go after, Eric in particular. Dylan was just lusting over these girls that didn't even know him and he wouldn't even approach them. Eric did try to get girls but they all turned him down.

I can honestly say I never bullied anyone when I was in school and I felt bad for kids that were bullied and even though I was not bullied myself (in high school), I have been bullied as an adult though, I made quite a few friends with kids that were bullied. So I do feel bad that Dylan and Eric were bullied but on the flip side of the coin, they bullied way worse than they were bullied. I mean they had that one kid so scared he didn't even wanna go back to school and Dylan either slapped or punched that one girl during gym class. So I think it was probably all those things combined that made girls not like them.




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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Thu Dec 22, 2016 3:22 am

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shades, this was when I was middle school, 25 years ago. I'm now in college. It still hurts a little though. I've been going to therapy ever since. Also, yes they knew who I was.

You don't need them. I had a horrible high school experience too in the beginning. But I also knew my insecurities were all over the place. As far as I'm concerned, most of my past never happened. I hope you're able to deal with it, most importantly forget it. People plummet to their lowest to get shaped up and rise up again.
Yes, also why couldn't Eric and Dylan find girlfriends? I know about Robyn, but what about Eric? Would you of gave them a chance and talked to them?
Asking girls now if they'd give Dylan or Eric a chance is kind of unfair because of the fandom and how infamous they've become. Most girls say that, yes, they would have given both boys a shot. Well, if that were the case, how come neither one of them could find love? Hell, Eric couldn't even find someone to take to the prom just as date, let alone him trying to actually find a girlfriend.
Well, I have aspergers which is a social disorder, they could've had something like that. Also, don't most girls sense something is not right upstairs with some guys?
Maybe. I don't really know what other girls think but I can say that for myself personally, I may have been friends with Dylan and Eric (and that's a pretty big maybe) but I would not have been interested in either of them. And it's not because of their looks (even though I don't really find them attractive but looks isn't always the main thing for me), it's because of how hard they went out of their way to try and act different than everyone else. And also how they acted violent all the time, making videos of themselves killing people, writing stories about killing people, dressing like weird German Nazi's or whatever the hell that look Chris Morris and Dylan were trying to achieve with the berets and German T-shirts.

They may have had some bullying done to them at Columbine but they went out of their way not to fit in. Back in Eric's earlier years, before he got all messed up with Dylan, he used to dress preppy. He had a lot of friends who said that he was a really nice kid, he got along with everyone and that they were shocked that it was actually him who was involved in Columbine. I know a lot of people think Eric was this great mastermind just because he wrote up this journal lashing out and acting like he was this crazy madman. I don't believe that though. I think he was heavily influenced by Dylan. That's a whole other topic though. So to stay on topic, it is very possible that girls didn't want to date them because of hard they went out of their way to act crazy and dress differently and act violent both in and out of school.

I mean look at Brooks Brown, if he can get a girlfriend, I'm sure Dylan and Eric could have, right? I mean there's got to be some reason the girls didn't like them. I also think they were both way out of their league with the girls they were trying to go after, Eric in particular. Dylan was just lusting over these girls that didn't even know him and he wouldn't even approach them. Eric did try to get girls but they all turned him down.

I can honestly say I never bullied anyone when I was in school and I felt bad for kids that were bullied and even though I was not bullied myself (in high school), I have been bullied as an adult though, I made quite a few friends with kids that were bullied. So I do feel bad that Dylan and Eric were bullied but on the flip side of the coin, they bullied way worse than they were bullied. I mean they had that one kid so scared he didn't even wanna go back to school and Dylan either slapped or punched that one girl during gym class. So I think it was probably all those things combined that made girls not like them.



I don't care if Eric and Dylan looked different, they had no right being bullied period!!! Good gosh if I hear one of my bullies being dead, I'm going to pop the champagne and celebrate.
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Thu Dec 22, 2016 2:37 pm

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shades, this was when I was middle school, 25 years ago. I'm now in college. It still hurts a little though. I've been going to therapy ever since. Also, yes they knew who I was.

You don't need them. I had a horrible high school experience too in the beginning. But I also knew my insecurities were all over the place. As far as I'm concerned, most of my past never happened. I hope you're able to deal with it, most importantly forget it. People plummet to their lowest to get shaped up and rise up again.
Yes, also why couldn't Eric and Dylan find girlfriends? I know about Robyn, but what about Eric? Would you of gave them a chance and talked to them?
Asking girls now if they'd give Dylan or Eric a chance is kind of unfair because of the fandom and how infamous they've become. Most girls say that, yes, they would have given both boys a shot. Well, if that were the case, how come neither one of them could find love? Hell, Eric couldn't even find someone to take to the prom just as date, let alone him trying to actually find a girlfriend.
Well, I have aspergers which is a social disorder, they could've had something like that. Also, don't most girls sense something is not right upstairs with some guys?
Maybe. I don't really know what other girls think but I can say that for myself personally, I may have been friends with Dylan and Eric (and that's a pretty big maybe) but I would not have been interested in either of them. And it's not because of their looks (even though I don't really find them attractive but looks isn't always the main thing for me), it's because of how hard they went out of their way to try and act different than everyone else. And also how they acted violent all the time, making videos of themselves killing people, writing stories about killing people, dressing like weird German Nazi's or whatever the hell that look Chris Morris and Dylan were trying to achieve with the berets and German T-shirts.

They may have had some bullying done to them at Columbine but they went out of their way not to fit in. Back in Eric's earlier years, before he got all messed up with Dylan, he used to dress preppy. He had a lot of friends who said that he was a really nice kid, he got along with everyone and that they were shocked that it was actually him who was involved in Columbine. I know a lot of people think Eric was this great mastermind just because he wrote up this journal lashing out and acting like he was this crazy madman. I don't believe that though. I think he was heavily influenced by Dylan. That's a whole other topic though. So to stay on topic, it is very possible that girls didn't want to date them because of hard they went out of their way to act crazy and dress differently and act violent both in and out of school.

I mean look at Brooks Brown, if he can get a girlfriend, I'm sure Dylan and Eric could have, right? I mean there's got to be some reason the girls didn't like them. I also think they were both way out of their league with the girls they were trying to go after, Eric in particular. Dylan was just lusting over these girls that didn't even know him and he wouldn't even approach them. Eric did try to get girls but they all turned him down.

I can honestly say I never bullied anyone when I was in school and I felt bad for kids that were bullied and even though I was not bullied myself (in high school), I have been bullied as an adult though, I made quite a few friends with kids that were bullied. So I do feel bad that Dylan and Eric were bullied but on the flip side of the coin, they bullied way worse than they were bullied. I mean they had that one kid so scared he didn't even wanna go back to school and Dylan either slapped or punched that one girl during gym class. So I think it was probably all those things combined that made girls not like them.



I don't care if Eric and Dylan looked different, they had no right being bullied period!!! Good gosh if I hear one of my bullies being dead, I'm going to pop the champagne and celebrate.

Bullying sucks period. No one deserves to be bullied. But there are always going to be people that get their self esteem by stealing it from others.
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:28 pm

Well, I think self defense courses should be mandatory in schools.
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:04 pm

I think people should be raised to be decent human beings but unfortunately belittling seems to be part of human nature. Some of us are bred with insecurities, while others have egos.

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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:15 pm

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I think people should be raised to be decent human beings but unfortunately belittling seems to be part of human nature. Some of us are bred with insecurities, while others have egos.
Well, they can take their insecurities and egos and shove them while they are laying in the hospital, because bullies will piss off the wrong person and that's what will happen.
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:18 pm

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I think people should be raised to be decent human beings but unfortunately belittling seems to be part of human nature. Some of us are bred with insecurities, while others have egos.
Unfortunately you are sounding like one of those teachers who tells the victims of bullying "kids will be kids" that shit shouldn't fly anymore. They need to be suspended or expelled from the school.
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:25 pm

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Unfortunately you are sounding like one of those teachers who tells the victims of bullying "kids will be kids" that shit shouldn't fly anymore. They need to be suspended or expelled from the school.

My dear, no I don't. Cause you're not reading deeper. It's not kids will be kids, it's humans will be humans. Adults are bullies, patronising and abusive too. You will see it everywhere you go. It's NOT just a high school thing. What matters is how you fight it if you are a victim of this, how you stop it if you are a witness of this, and how you help if the victim is someone who can't defend themselves aka mentally challenged/disabled.

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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:45 am

I don't believe bullying was the cause of Columbine. Eric and Dylan did not target bullies in the shooting. When explaining their own motivations, they did not cite revenge for bullying. In the 11K, 17 people, including Robyn Anderson, say they never saw Eric or Dylan harassed. 20 or so say they saw them picked on for their clothes, while others mention that the harassment was "mild" (only one says it was "relentless").

By contrast, 28 people, including their close associates Chris Morris (8897) and Devon Adams (10616), say that Harris and Klebold bullied others.

When people say Eric and Dylan were motivated by bullying, they are projecting their own feelings onto Eric and Dylan. Millions of kids are bullied. Only Eric and Dylan committed Columbine.
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:29 am

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I don't believe bullying was the cause of Columbine. Eric and Dylan did not target bullies in the shooting. When explaining their own motivations, they did not cite revenge for bullying. In the 11K, 17 people, including Robyn Anderson, say they never saw Eric or Dylan harassed. 20 or so say they saw them picked on for their clothes, while others mention that the harassment was "mild" (only one says it was "relentless").

By contrast, 28 people, including their close associates Chris Morris (8897) and Devon Adams (10616), say that Harris and Klebold bullied others.

When people say Eric and Dylan were motivated by bullying, they are projecting their own feelings onto Eric and Dylan. Millions of kids are bullied. Only Eric and Dylan committed Columbine.
For once you and I can agree on something. I do not believe that bullying was a main reason behind Columbine either. And I also believe that Dylan and Eric bullied way worse than they were bullied. If they were picked on, like you said, I think it was because of how they purposely went out of their way to dress like outcasts and stand out. I read about Dylan slapping a girl in gym class and him bullying one kid so bad he didn't wanna come back to school. I have never read anything about Dylan or Eric being physically abused by anyone.

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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:58 am

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I don't believe bullying was the cause of Columbine. Eric and Dylan did not target bullies in the shooting. When explaining their own motivations, they did not cite revenge for bullying. In the 11K, 17 people, including Robyn Anderson, say they never saw Eric or Dylan harassed. 20 or so say they saw them picked on for their clothes, while others mention that the harassment was "mild" (only one says it was "relentless").

By contrast, 28 people, including their close associates Chris Morris (8897) and Devon Adams (10616), say that Harris and Klebold bullied others.

When people say Eric and Dylan were motivated by bullying, they are projecting their own feelings onto Eric and Dylan. Millions of kids are bullied. Only Eric and Dylan committed Columbine.
For once you and I can agree on something. I do not believe that bullying was a main reason behind Columbine either. And I also believe that Dylan and Eric bullied way worse than they were bullied. If they were picked on, like you said, I think it was because of how they purposely went out of their way to dress like outcasts and stand out. I read about Dylan slapping a girl in gym class and him bullying one kid so bad he didn't wanna come back to school. I have never read anything about Dylan or Eric being physically abused by anyone.
Does it really matter what type of freaking clothes they wear? Everyone deserves to be treated with kindness, don't just assume the worst in someone, just because of how they dress.
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:23 am

I think I read an account (not sure if it was true) of Eric getting hit in the face repeatedly with a dodgeball after gym class due to his team winning a game against a team of jocks or something along those lines. I also saw a note between him and a girl in one of his classes who was asking Eric to remove her boyfriend from his "kill list", and Eric referenced the guy hitting him in the face and that being why he was on the list. The details are fuzzy as it's been a while since I read these things, so I apologize if I'm remembering it wrong. Those are the only actual accounts I've read about physical abuse towards e&d, other than Eric supposedly being slammed against the lockers occasionally.
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:26 am

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I don't believe bullying was the cause of Columbine. Eric and Dylan did not target bullies in the shooting. When explaining their own motivations, they did not cite revenge for bullying. In the 11K, 17 people, including Robyn Anderson, say they never saw Eric or Dylan harassed. 20 or so say they saw them picked on for their clothes, while others mention that the harassment was "mild" (only one says it was "relentless").

By contrast, 28 people, including their close associates Chris Morris (8897) and Devon Adams (10616), say that Harris and Klebold bullied others.

When people say Eric and Dylan were motivated by bullying, they are projecting their own feelings onto Eric and Dylan. Millions of kids are bullied. Only Eric and Dylan committed Columbine.
For once you and I can agree on something. I do not believe that bullying was a main reason behind Columbine either. And I also believe that Dylan and Eric bullied way worse than they were bullied. If they were picked on, like you said, I think it was because of how they purposely went out of their way to dress like outcasts and stand out. I read about Dylan slapping a girl in gym class and him bullying one kid so bad he didn't wanna come back to school. I have never read anything about Dylan or Eric being physically abused by anyone.
Does it really matter what type of freaking clothes they wear? Everyone deserves to be treated with kindness, don't just assume the worst in someone, just because of how they dress.
To me? No it doesn't matter to me what they wore or what anyone wears. Quit acting like I'm talking about me personally. I am saying what my opinion is on why the other kids may have picked on them. Did you not read where I said that I never picked on anyone? And yea, people do deserve to be treated nicely but they should also treat others nicely in return but Dylan and Eric didn't. Several of people said they picked on other kids. I see you constantly ignore that though and just carry on about Dylan and Eric being "bullied".

By your comments to me and other people in this thread, I get the instinct feeling that no matter what anyone says to you, you're just going to stick up for Dylan and Eric, carrying on about how they were "bullied" all because you yourself are unable to forget something that happened to you over 25 years ago and basically said you wished the people who bullied you in middle school were dead and how happy you'd be if they died. So I'll just leave this thread now. I don't know you or what you went through but I hope that someday you can get over what happened to you in middle school cuz it's not good to keep carrying that around.

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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:19 am

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I don't believe bullying was the cause of Columbine. Eric and Dylan did not target bullies in the shooting. When explaining their own motivations, they did not cite revenge for bullying. In the 11K, 17 people, including Robyn Anderson, say they never saw Eric or Dylan harassed. 20 or so say they saw them picked on for their clothes, while others mention that the harassment was "mild" (only one says it was "relentless").

By contrast, 28 people, including their close associates Chris Morris (8897) and Devon Adams (10616), say that Harris and Klebold bullied others.

When people say Eric and Dylan were motivated by bullying, they are projecting their own feelings onto Eric and Dylan. Millions of kids are bullied. Only Eric and Dylan committed Columbine.
For once you and I can agree on something. I do not believe that bullying was a main reason behind Columbine either. And I also believe that Dylan and Eric bullied way worse than they were bullied. If they were picked on, like you said, I think it was because of how they purposely went out of their way to dress like outcasts and stand out. I read about Dylan slapping a girl in gym class and him bullying one kid so bad he didn't wanna come back to school. I have never read anything about Dylan or Eric being physically abused by anyone.
Does it really matter what type of freaking clothes they wear? Everyone deserves to be treated with kindness, don't just assume the worst in someone, just because of how they dress.
To me? No it doesn't matter to me what they wore or what anyone wears. Quit acting like I'm talking about me personally. I am saying what my opinion is on why the other kids may have picked on them. Did you not read where I said that I never picked on anyone? And yea, people do deserve to be treated nicely but they should also treat others nicely in return but Dylan and Eric didn't. Several of people said they picked on other kids. I see you constantly ignore that though and just carry on about Dylan and Eric being "bullied".

By your comments to me and other people in this thread, I get the instinct feeling that no matter what anyone says to you, you're just going to stick up for Dylan and Eric, carrying on about how they were "bullied" all because you yourself are unable to forget something that happened to you over 25 years ago and basically said you wished the people who bullied you in middle school were dead and how happy you'd be if they died. So I'll just leave this thread now. I don't know you or what you went through but I hope that someday you can get over what happened to you in middle school cuz it's not good to keep carrying that around.
Sorry, I meant 15 years ago and I am over it. I know they bullied too, it's just a sad situation altogether.
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:25 am

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I don't believe bullying was the cause of Columbine. Eric and Dylan did not target bullies in the shooting. When explaining their own motivations, they did not cite revenge for bullying. In the 11K, 17 people, including Robyn Anderson, say they never saw Eric or Dylan harassed. 20 or so say they saw them picked on for their clothes, while others mention that the harassment was "mild" (only one says it was "relentless").

By contrast, 28 people, including their close associates Chris Morris (8897) and Devon Adams (10616), say that Harris and Klebold bullied others.

When people say Eric and Dylan were motivated by bullying, they are projecting their own feelings onto Eric and Dylan. Millions of kids are bullied. Only Eric and Dylan committed Columbine.
For once you and I can agree on something. I do not believe that bullying was a main reason behind Columbine either. And I also believe that Dylan and Eric bullied way worse than they were bullied. If they were picked on, like you said, I think it was because of how they purposely went out of their way to dress like outcasts and stand out. I read about Dylan slapping a girl in gym class and him bullying one kid so bad he didn't wanna come back to school. I have never read anything about Dylan or Eric being physically abused by anyone.
Does it really matter what type of freaking clothes they wear? Everyone deserves to be treated with kindness, don't just assume the worst in someone, just because of how they dress.
To me? No it doesn't matter to me what they wore or what anyone wears. Quit acting like I'm talking about me personally. I am saying what my opinion is on why the other kids may have picked on them. Did you not read where I said that I never picked on anyone? And yea, people do deserve to be treated nicely but they should also treat others nicely in return but Dylan and Eric didn't. Several of people said they picked on other kids. I see you constantly ignore that though and just carry on about Dylan and Eric being "bullied".

By your comments to me and other people in this thread, I get the instinct feeling that no matter what anyone says to you, you're just going to stick up for Dylan and Eric, carrying on about how they were "bullied" all because you yourself are unable to forget something that happened to you over 25 years ago and basically said you wished the people who bullied you in middle school were dead and how happy you'd be if they died. So I'll just leave this thread now. I don't know you or what you went through but I hope that someday you can get over what happened to you in middle school cuz it's not good to keep carrying that around.
Also, I apologize to you, I didn't mean you personally. This is just personal to me and a deep topic. So I'm sorry.
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:52 am

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I don't believe bullying was the cause of Columbine. Eric and Dylan did not target bullies in the shooting. When explaining their own motivations, they did not cite revenge for bullying. In the 11K, 17 people, including Robyn Anderson, say they never saw Eric or Dylan harassed. 20 or so say they saw them picked on for their clothes, while others mention that the harassment was "mild" (only one says it was "relentless").

By contrast, 28 people, including their close associates Chris Morris (8897) and Devon Adams (10616), say that Harris and Klebold bullied others.

When people say Eric and Dylan were motivated by bullying, they are projecting their own feelings onto Eric and Dylan. Millions of kids are bullied. Only Eric and Dylan committed Columbine.
For once you and I can agree on something. I do not believe that bullying was a main reason behind Columbine either. And I also believe that Dylan and Eric bullied way worse than they were bullied. If they were picked on, like you said, I think it was because of how they purposely went out of their way to dress like outcasts and stand out. I read about Dylan slapping a girl in gym class and him bullying one kid so bad he didn't wanna come back to school. I have never read anything about Dylan or Eric being physically abused by anyone.
Does it really matter what type of freaking clothes they wear? Everyone deserves to be treated with kindness, don't just assume the worst in someone, just because of how they dress.
To me? No it doesn't matter to me what they wore or what anyone wears. Quit acting like I'm talking about me personally. I am saying what my opinion is on why the other kids may have picked on them. Did you not read where I said that I never picked on anyone? And yea, people do deserve to be treated nicely but they should also treat others nicely in return but Dylan and Eric didn't. Several of people said they picked on other kids. I see you constantly ignore that though and just carry on about Dylan and Eric being "bullied".

By your comments to me and other people in this thread, I get the instinct feeling that no matter what anyone says to you, you're just going to stick up for Dylan and Eric, carrying on about how they were "bullied" all because you yourself are unable to forget something that happened to you over 25 years ago and basically said you wished the people who bullied you in middle school were dead and how happy you'd be if they died. So I'll just leave this thread now. I don't know you or what you went through but I hope that someday you can get over what happened to you in middle school cuz it's not good to keep carrying that around.
Also, I apologize to you, I didn't mean you personally. This is just personal to me and a deep topic. So I'm sorry.
No need to apologize. I completely understand what it's like to be bullied and how it's hard to let go of it and it can make you very insecure and that insecurity carries over into other relationships. And I don't just mean romantic relationships. Relationships with friends and with family also.

I've been into Columbine for a long time now and my personal opinion is that I believe that one of the reasons Dylan and Eric were made fun of is because of how they dressed. Eric said something like that in his journal. I also believe they were picked on mildly compared to what a lot of other kids go through. It doesn't mean I agree with it because I don't.

I also don't think bullying was the main reason behind Columbine. I used to back in my earlier years but now I think the main thing that sparked it was Dylan's depression and Dylan's anger and jealousy towards others he believed had it better than him and had the things he wanted. Dylan was the first one to bring up going on a shooting and it would be too much of a coincidence that both Dylan and Eric thought of it at the same time. I think Dylan brought the idea to Eric and used Eric to prepare the entire thing. I honestly believe Dylan wanted to commit suicide and this was the only way he was gonna go through with it.

Anyway, I appreciate the apology but it wasn't needed. I understand where you're coming from.

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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:16 am

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I don't believe bullying was the cause of Columbine. Eric and Dylan did not target bullies in the shooting. When explaining their own motivations, they did not cite revenge for bullying. In the 11K, 17 people, including Robyn Anderson, say they never saw Eric or Dylan harassed. 20 or so say they saw them picked on for their clothes, while others mention that the harassment was "mild" (only one says it was "relentless").

By contrast, 28 people, including their close associates Chris Morris (8897) and Devon Adams (10616), say that Harris and Klebold bullied others.

When people say Eric and Dylan were motivated by bullying, they are projecting their own feelings onto Eric and Dylan. Millions of kids are bullied. Only Eric and Dylan committed Columbine.
For once you and I can agree on something. I do not believe that bullying was a main reason behind Columbine either. And I also believe that Dylan and Eric bullied way worse than they were bullied. If they were picked on, like you said, I think it was because of how they purposely went out of their way to dress like outcasts and stand out. I read about Dylan slapping a girl in gym class and him bullying one kid so bad he didn't wanna come back to school. I have never read anything about Dylan or Eric being physically abused by anyone.
Does it really matter what type of freaking clothes they wear? Everyone deserves to be treated with kindness, don't just assume the worst in someone, just because of how they dress.
To me? No it doesn't matter to me what they wore or what anyone wears. Quit acting like I'm talking about me personally. I am saying what my opinion is on why the other kids may have picked on them. Did you not read where I said that I never picked on anyone? And yea, people do deserve to be treated nicely but they should also treat others nicely in return but Dylan and Eric didn't. Several of people said they picked on other kids. I see you constantly ignore that though and just carry on about Dylan and Eric being "bullied".

By your comments to me and other people in this thread, I get the instinct feeling that no matter what anyone says to you, you're just going to stick up for Dylan and Eric, carrying on about how they were "bullied" all because you yourself are unable to forget something that happened to you over 25 years ago and basically said you wished the people who bullied you in middle school were dead and how happy you'd be if they died. So I'll just leave this thread now. I don't know you or what you went through but I hope that someday you can get over what happened to you in middle school cuz it's not good to keep carrying that around.
Also, I apologize to you, I didn't mean you personally. This is just personal to me and a deep topic. So I'm sorry.
No need to apologize. I completely understand what it's like to be bullied and how it's hard to let go of it and it can make you very insecure and that insecurity carries over into other relationships. And I don't just mean romantic relationships. Relationships with friends and with family also.

I've been into Columbine for a long time now and my personal opinion is that I believe that one of the reasons Dylan and Eric were made fun of is because of how they dressed. Eric said something like that in his journal. I also believe they were picked on mildly compared to what a lot of other kids go through. It doesn't mean I agree with it because I don't.

I also don't think bullying was the main reason behind Columbine. I used to back in my earlier years but now I think the main thing that sparked it was Dylan's depression and Dylan's anger and jealousy towards others he believed had it better than him and had the things he wanted. Dylan was the first one to bring up going on a shooting and it would be too much of a coincidence that both Dylan and Eric thought of it at the same time. I think Dylan brought the idea to Eric and used Eric to prepare the entire thing. I honestly believe Dylan wanted to commit suicide and this was the only way he was gonna go through with it.

Anyway, I appreciate the apology but it wasn't needed. I understand where you're coming from.
Some people say it was Eric behind the whole thing, so I'm not sure.
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Fri Dec 23, 2016 2:27 pm

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I think I read an account (not sure if it was true) of Eric getting hit in the face repeatedly with a dodgeball after gym class due to his team winning a game against a team of jocks or something along those lines. I also saw a note between him and a girl in one of his classes who was asking Eric to remove her boyfriend from his "kill list", and Eric referenced the guy hitting him in the face and that being why he was on the list. The details are fuzzy as it's been a while since I read these things, so I apologize if I'm remembering it wrong. Those are the only actual accounts I've read about physical abuse towards e&d, other than Eric supposedly being slammed against the lockers occasionally.

Yes this was in the 11k

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