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PostSubject: Evan Todd?   Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:37 am

I read one of his interviews yesterday and he doesn't feel any remorse for the way he bullied Eric and Dylan, how can he not? He should know by now bullying is wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:09 am

He seems to be a waster from everything I have read about him, from his comments directly after the attack condoning the ridicule and bullying they received to the article where he lost his college ring... somehow managed to get the word hero in that article if I remember rightly... erghh he seems a real oxygen thief of the world
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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:38 am

Of all the innocent, good kids they killed that day and they *intentionally* let this guy live?? If anything he should've been the first to go, especially all the shit he talked about the outcasts at that school after the shooting. I get they probably didn't really know him but still. At least Dylan called him fat.
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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:48 am

If I chose to look way deeper, them being unable to shoot a bully right infront of them is an indication that even though they have a gun in their hands they're still weaker and intimidated by him. It was okay for them to kill the innocent ones cause in contrast they have the power and control over them. Also, they made too long of a contact with Evan, and talking to him, so an instant shot couldn't happen. They humanised him way too much at the moment.


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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:14 am

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If I chose to look way deeper, them being unable to shoot a bully right infront of them is an indication that even though they have a gun in their hands they're still weaker and intimidated by him. It was okay for them to kill the innocent ones cause in contrast they have the power and control over them. Also, they made too long of a contact with Evan, and talking to him, so an instant shot couldn't happen. They humanised him way too much at the moment.


I had thought about the humanizing part too. I also wonder if maybe they spared him b/c the adrenaline was starting to wear off, this being after Eric broke his nose and Evan being the last person in the library they talked to before leaving to go shoot at the bombs and wander the halls. But still, this guy was a piece of shit.
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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Wed Dec 28, 2016 12:45 pm

The guy seems like a real jerkoff, but I will say this much: that had a world famous shooting happened at my high school, my reaction in the immediate aftermath, once I would have known who the killers were, I would have openly denounced them. I guess I wouldn't have condoned bullying so much as I would have said that they could take their precious feelings and shove them up their butt if violating them means that they have to blow away a bunch of people that for the most part they didn't even know.
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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:21 pm

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The guy seems like a real jerkoff, but I will say this much: that had a world famous shooting happened at my high school, my reaction in the immediate aftermath, once I would have known who the killers were, I would have openly denounced them. I guess I wouldn't have condoned bullying so much as I would have said that they could take their precious feelings and shove them up their butt if violating them means that they have to blow away a bunch of people that for the most part they didn't even know.

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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:55 pm

I don't think Dylan would be forgotten or dismissed who ever made him bad. However he is "just killing people", who didn't even know him. Most likely he was undecided what Todd assured him that he never had any problems with them, so his "goal" became more animated, more real. In addition, they were in a hurry. So I think Todd just lucky. And I'm sure he knows it.

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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:41 pm

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The guy seems like a real jerkoff, but I will say this much: that had a world famous shooting happened at my high school, my reaction in the immediate aftermath, once I would have known who the killers were, I would have openly denounced them.  I guess I wouldn't have condoned bullying so much as I would have said that they could take their precious feelings and shove them up their butt if violating them means that they have to blow away a bunch of people that for the most part they didn't even know.  

I get this. However his statement after the shooting kinda condemned All the outcasts, and the examples he used didn't weren't even things e&d did (weird hair, wearing horns on their hats, etc). People with his mentality are probably the reason why outcast kids at schools all over the country dealt with repercussions after the shooting, like a guilty by association deal. Also makes me wonder if his statement helped encouraged the early myths that e&d were goths who wore makeup and listened to Marilyn Manson
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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:22 pm

He is a pure and utter scumbag. A truly horrible person and everybody like him.

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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:47 pm

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The guy seems like a real jerkoff, but I will say this much: that had a world famous shooting happened at my high school, my reaction in the immediate aftermath, once I would have known who the killers were, I would have openly denounced them.  I guess I wouldn't have condoned bullying so much as I would have said that they could take their precious feelings and shove them up their butt if violating them means that they have to blow away a bunch of people that for the most part they didn't even know.  

I get this. However his statement after the shooting kinda condemned All the outcasts, and the examples he used didn't weren't even things e&d did (weird hair, wearing horns on their hats, etc).  People with his mentality are probably the reason why outcast kids at schools all over the country dealt with repercussions after the shooting, like a guilty by association deal.  Also makes me wonder if his statement helped encouraged the early myths that e&d were goths who wore makeup and listened to Marilyn Manson
Look at Evan Todd now, a worthless fatass. Smile. People like this lard ass is the reason their should be anti-bullying prevention programs. He probably felt insecure around Eric and Dylan, they were smart with computers and had high intelligence, I can't believe I'm defending these murderers, but people like Todd should look in the mirror before they judge anyone.
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PostSubject: bullying, etc.   Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:50 pm

"He probably felt insecure around Eric and Dylan, they were smart with computers and had high intelligence"

I....think you're projecting a bit there. Lots of high schools really do seem to belong to the Jock Bully types; high schools really fail to reward (PROPERLY reward, that is) intellect or knowledge. Really a lot of high schools are just day care centers for athletes. In fact day care, not learning, is probably the primary purpose of high school now. Kids like Evan Todd were socially rewarded for acting like Evan Todd; intellect gets shut out of high school for pretty much precisely that reason. Kids who speak up and actually discuss things in class are dismissed as know-it-alls, "hey shut up you," even by their teachers. The idea that some big tough guy who could snap necks is secretly pissed off that he can't design DOOM levels like "the weird Eric kid" rings a bit false to me.

Don't forget, Columbine is located in the Midwest. Sure, it wasn't a "redneck" high school (albeit very very white--look at that class photo again!) but I'm willing to bet a huge, huge number of Midwestern high school kids in general and Columbine students in particular would have been happy to trash E&D as "f*ggots" or whatever for the cameras. Or, just amongst themselves. I'm from the Midwest and trying to "understand" guys like E&D or feel any sympathy for them, let alone the freaky "OMG Dylan was so cute" type crap that's all over the Internet, would have not AT ALL been popular sentiments at my high school in April 1999--in fact they would have been pretty much nonexistent. The prevailing sentiment? "Fuck those motherfuckers."
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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:30 pm

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"He probably felt insecure around Eric and Dylan, they were smart with computers and had high intelligence"

I....think you're projecting a bit there.  Lots of high schools really do seem to belong to the Jock Bully types; high schools really fail to reward (PROPERLY reward, that is) intellect or knowledge.  Really a lot of high schools are just day care centers for athletes.  In fact day care, not learning, is probably the primary purpose of high school now.  Kids like Evan Todd were socially rewarded for acting like Evan Todd; intellect gets shut out of high school for pretty much precisely that reason.  Kids who speak up and actually discuss things in class are dismissed as know-it-alls, "hey shut up you," even by their teachers.  The idea that some big tough guy who could snap necks is secretly pissed off that he can't design DOOM levels like "the weird Eric kid" rings a bit false to me.  

Don't forget, Columbine is located in the Midwest.  Sure, it wasn't a "redneck" high school (albeit very very white--look at that class photo again!) but I'm willing to bet a huge, huge number of Midwestern high school kids in general and Columbine students in particular would have been happy to trash E&D as "f*ggots" or whatever for the cameras.  Or, just amongst themselves.  I'm from the Midwest and trying to "understand" guys like E&D or feel any sympathy for them, let alone the freaky "OMG Dylan was so cute" type crap that's all over the Internet, would have not AT ALL been popular sentiments at my high school in April 1999--in fact they would have been pretty much nonexistent.  The prevailing sentiment?  "Fuck those motherfuckers."  
Wow sounds like your high school was filled with rednecks, no offense. I wouldn't want no part of it.
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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:26 am

How do we know for a fact that Evan Todd bullied Eric and Dylan?

I doubt that he did. If he says he did he probably made it up.
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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:53 pm

I think It was along the lines of like Evan was asked if he ever did sth to Eric and Dylan and he answered something like everybody did, they were weirdos , etc etc I'm not sure if he directly said that HE did. He knew that he was a jock so by default Eric and Dylan might've targeted him. On the day itself when Dylan asked him why shouldn't we shoot you Evan replied cause I don't want any trouble. Then he claimed Dylan replied "Trouble? You don't know what trouble is."

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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:53 pm


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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:54 pm



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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:56 pm

He looks like he's trying to be a better person. He doesn't look that bad really.

What if he's able to change and has learnt his lesson? Aren't everyone during high school horrible sometimes? We all used to be part of peer pressure.

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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:04 pm

I don't believe that Evan Todd bullied Eric and Dylan. He later claimed to have bullied them along with "the whole school," so that is not really an admission of his personal involvement in bullying.

He also claimed they were into witchcraft and said they engaged in romantic displays of affection in public, so his comments are not trustworthy.

When Dylan saw Evan Todd in the library he clearly did not recognize him and Dylan was a person who remembered every slight. Further evidence that Evan Todd never bullied them.
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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:16 pm

Right, he just saw Evan as a jock wearing a white hat at the time.

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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:32 pm

Whether Evan was directly linked to them or not he has admitted he was a bully and had made some ridiculous comments following the incident and saw himself as the victim throughout.. a few years later he lost his college ring and there is a article about him getting it back.. he seemed like a bit of a dick in his quoted statements then too.. whether it was them or anyone else he probably was more of a problem (in their eyes) to the school than say Rachel Scott or most of the other innocents.
I have no idea why he was spared but you can be sure it wasn't because he was not known or a good guy
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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:05 pm


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Evan Todd then explained Dylan Klebold began to question him while still pointing the Tec-9 up towards his face. Dylan asked, "Are you a jock?" Evan responded, "No." Dylan next commented, "Well, that's good, we don't like jocks." There was a brief pause, after which Dylan said, "Let me see your face," At that point, Evan removed his hat and tilted his face in an upward direction. Dylan looked him straight in the eyes and stated, "Give me one good reason why I shouldn't kill you," Evan responded, "I don't want to get in trouble." Dylan became angry and leaned down closer to him, stating, "trouble? You don't even know what fucking trouble is." Evan responded to Dylan by stating, "That's not what I meant, I mean, I don't have a problem with you guys, I never will and I never did." Dylan continued to stare at him for a moment and then looked away, stating "I'm gonna' let this fat fuck live, you can have at him if you want to." Evan indicated Eric Harris never acknowledged Dylan's statement and simply responded by stating, "let's go to the commons."
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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:14 pm

It actually makes me mad that Eric and Dylan set out to shoot all the people that did them wrong, and instead ended up killing random people they didn't even know. They let guys like Evan go, but went and shot people like Rachel Scott who didn't do anything to them.

Obviously none of the victims deserved to die, but it still makes no sense considering how intent they were on getting revenge on the jocks.
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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:19 pm

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"Evan responded to Dylan by stating, "That's not what I meant, I mean, I don't have a problem with you guys, I never will and I never did."

And there's no way to know if him saying that is true. If it is then yeah, he probably never messed with E&D directly.

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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:48 pm

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April 22, 1999
By Norm Clarke
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Columbine High sophomore Evan Todd lied when a gunman came into the library, shoved a shotgun in his face and asked him if he was a jock.

"I said no I wasn't," said the 15-year-old Todd, a member of the school's varsity wrestling team.

"I told him, 'I have no problem with you. I've never done anything to you. I just want to live."'

He was spared, he's convinced, because he didn't wear his favorite baseball cap. The one with the word Navy on it.

The one he wore instead sported a shamrock.

"That was my lucky charm."

Todd figures he was among nine or 10 survivors from the library, where most of the bodies were found after two Columbine students went on a shooting rampage.

He was in the library Tuesday when he heard explosions in the hallway.

"I glanced around the corner of the library and they shot at me with a shotgun. I dove behind a coffee machine," said Todd.

One of the gunmen, identified by Todd as Dylan Klebold, walked up to him and put the shotgun in his face.

After the exchange, Klebold turned away.

"They (Klebold and Eric Harris) went walking up and down the aisles, watching each other's backs, shooting people on the floor."

One of the shooters turned back and sprayed bullets at the coffee machine, where Todd was taking shelter. He was treated for eight minor wounds from flying wood and plastic debris.

"I heard maybe 50-60 shots in the library and they chucked four-five pipebombs in the room," he said.

"They kept saying jocks made them feel like outcasts. Then they said they were going to the cafeteria to get more people," said Todd.

He bolted from the library when the gunmen left.

Todd had gone to the library Tuesday to work on a report.

Its title? School uniforms, health behavior and crime.

"It was about if kids wore uniforms would violence be reduced," Todd said. "I thought about it today, about what a coincidence."
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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:12 pm

"Wow sounds like your high school was filled with rednecks, no offense. I wouldn't want no part of it."

I attended high school in northeastern Kansas, one state over from Columbine, I was 16 when it happened. Yes, it's full of rednecks and a-holes. Was. Probably still is.

Note: Eric and Dylan are listed as Colorado's entry in the "Absolute Worst Person From Each State." I found it weird in that list that nobody from California is apparently worse than the Zodiac Killer.
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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:27 am

To be honest, I don't really mind Evan now. I mean okay, yeah he says some troubling things in the beginning, he's blunt, not sure if he's still ignorant but he's a little better now.

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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:29 am

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"Wow sounds like your high school was filled with rednecks, no offense. I wouldn't want no part of it."

I attended high school in northeastern Kansas, one state over from Columbine, I was 16 when it happened.   Yes, it's full of rednecks and a-holes.  Was.  Probably still is.  

Note: Eric and Dylan are listed as Colorado's entry in the "Absolute Worst Person From Each State."  I found it weird in that list that nobody from California is apparently worse than the Zodiac Killer.  
Well, let's be fair, they did kill 12 people.
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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:31 am

I know Colorado is more liberal than it was in the past, but maybe they would've fared better at a high school in California or New York where they might be more accepting of the 2 guys since those states are really liberal.
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PostSubject: Re: Evan Todd?   Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:59 pm



Note: Eric and Dylan are listed as Colorado's entry in the "Absolute Worst Person From Each State."  I found it weird in that list that nobody from California is apparently worse than the Zodiac Killer.  [/quote]
Well, let's be fair, they did kill 12 people.[/quote]

I don't know who from Colorado would be worse--and I also don't know if that list was compiled before James Eagan Holmes went on his little movie-kill. (Screw that creep, too. Also he didn't look like the joker, if anything the pic of him I saw made him look like Cillian Murphy, the Scarecrow.)
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