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PostSubject: Additional Shooters   Sat Dec 31, 2016 3:44 am

I am a strong believer in there being multiple shooters and that more people were injured/killed than the media tells us. Remember, cant always trust the media, look who owns them...
So many witnesses claim there were multiple shooters, I am a strong believer that Perry and Morris were shooters, and that there was a rooftop shooter.

The Addtional "Suspects" Of Columbine
This is a partial list of other people named by witnesses as being additional shooters or somehow involved in the attack. Most of these people were interviewed by police who cleared them as suspects claiming they had alibis. It turns out that the alibis in question are not as strong as the public has been led to believe. For example, most of the alibis are the mother or 'close friend swears person was at home or with them'-variety. Other 'suspects' listed have never been identified but were sighted by multiple witnesses.


Eric Harris - Known shooter, identified by witnesses

Dylan Klebold - Known shooter, identified by witnesses

The BMW Gang - Circa 40 minutes before the shooting a construction worker claimed he spotted a BMW, matching the description of Klebold's car, with 4 occupants do a u-turn in front of the school.

Chris Morris - Morris was claimed by several students to be the leader of the so-called "trench coat mafia". He was named by several witnesses as being a shooter and was actually taken into police custody before being released. Morris' alibi is that although he was at school in the morning that he cut class and went to a friends house to play video games prior to the start of the shootings. Morris also claimed to have gone to the before-school bowling class on 4/20 but his name does not appear on the roster. Morris' mother was a police officer.

Robert Perry - Multiple witnesses named him as being a shooter. Perry was a 'trench coater' but had graduated or dropped out the year prior. Perry was in the habit of spending time at the school to visit his friends. Perry had horrible acne at the time and this was a consistent feature described by witnesses. Of all the witnesses who actually named an additional shooter, the majority of the witnesses named Perry. Perry's alibi is, like most of the people named as additional shooters, his mother (now deceased).

Brian Sargent - Not identified by name, but several witnesses described a person extremely similar to Sargent, a short, chubby/fat shooter with a round face. Sargent is important as circa a dozen witnesses described an overweight shooter. Neither Harris nor Klebold were overweight. In fact, Sargent was reportedly the only member of the 'trench coaters' who was overweight. Sargent's alibi is that he was hanging out with friends after going to a local Burger King. It's not known how far the police checked out this alibi or whether they just accepted it at face value.

Joe Stair - Identified by name as being involved by several witnesses. However, no witness actually observed him to be holding or firing a gun. At least 5 witnesses heard other shooters say the name 'Joe'. At least 2 of the witnesses said a phrase similar to, "Joe, I have three of them in here", was made by other shooters. Mrs. Mikesell, an employee of Columbine High School, advised police that several students came and told her that Joe Stair had been seen in the school during the shootings. Like Perry, Joe Stair was not a current student of Columbine High School. Stair's alibi is that he claims he was at home with his mother until he left to pick up his sister at the library circa noon. There is no indication Stair's mother or sister were ever interviewed by police to either confirm or deny Stairs alleged alibi. In 2007, Stair was found hanged to death. Some speculate that it was not a suicide as Stair's body was found with a bloodied nose and with blood on the floor. Interestingly, Stair died shortly after he began posting on a message board dedicated to the Columbine tragedy.

Eric Dutro - A 'trench-coater', at least one witness claims the shooter she saw may have been Eric Dutro.

Nate Dykeman - Best friend of Dylan Klebold. (More info to come)

Eric Veik - Friend of Dylan Klebold, helped to make videos with Klebold and Harris, was not identified by witnesses as being a shooter; however, was the person who put the 'Thought of the Day", reading, "Bet you wish you weren't here today", on the school's monitors. Veik was arrested in October of 1999 for allegedly threatening to perform a repeat of 4/20. Veik was also investigated by police in conjunction with an alleged plan to blow up another school.

The Splatter Punks - Matt Nalty, Matt Akard, and Jim Brunetti, three young men who were not students of Columbine who were arrested by police in the field outside of the school. They were friends of Eric Harris. At least one witness placed them in the school in the morning before the shooting. The trio were also sighted by at least one witness at nearby Clement Park as well. According to Sheriff Stone, the three claimed they came to the school to check the scene out after hearing of the shooting on the radio. According to Stone, there were no reports on the radio at that time. The trio allegedly gave alibis involving parents or being in the company of each other and were quickly released by police.

The Balding Man - A balding man with blond hair, a chiseled face, and muscular body, described as being in his 30s, was witnessed by at least 2 witnesses. The unidentified man was in the company of a younger shooter. The unidentified man was mistaken by one witness as being a police officer until she saw that he carried a sawed-off shotgun. A witness even made a sketch of this unknown man. The witness claimed police pressured her to say that this man was Eric Harris, even though she knew Harris personally and knew it was not him.

The Round-Face Shooter - Several witnesses described a male with a round or full face as being a shooter. Refer to Brian Sargent above.

The Blue Jeans Bomber - Several witnesses described a male wearing a white shirt and blue jeans who threw pipe bombs onto the roof of the school. This bomber was seen in the company of two other people, with most descriptions of the other two people as wearing trench coats. Police insist that this was Eric Harris. Harris wore a white shirt during the attack but not blue jeans.

The Masked Shooter - Several witnesses described a male shooter who wore a mask.

The Blond-Tipped Shooter - At least two witnesses described an older male shooter with shaved hair on the sides of the head, longer darker hair on the top of the head, with bleached or blond tips to the hair. This description does not match either Harris or Klebold.

The Park Bomber - A pipe bomb was detonated in the nearby Clement Park shortly before the start of the shootings. A witness described seeing a male with a moustache.

The Park Shooter - One witness told police that he saw a person hiding in the bushes while shooting a gun at nearby Weaver park. The witness allegedly complained that he thought the police did not take his story seriously.

The Black/White Camo Pants Shooter - Several witnesses, including at least one teacher, described a shooter wearing black and white camouflage pants. Neither Harris nor Klebold wore these pants during the shooting. Interestingly, in at least one video made by Harris and Klebold, there is one person who was wearing black and white camo pants.

The Rooftop Shooter - Several witnesses described seeing at least one shooter on the rooftop of the school. At least one witness claims he was told by police to keep running as there was a shooter on the roof.

The German-Speaking Shooter - A few witnesses described a shooter wearing either a red or orange shirt, a trench coat, baggy pants, and who spoke German. It was later learned that German was spoken at 'trench coat mafia' meetings.

The 20-ish Shooter - At least one teacher described an older shooter, looking to be in his 20s and not a student at the school. One parent also claimed to have seen an older, 20-ish, man hanging around a group of students dressed in black at the school while dropping off her daughter on the morning of 4/20. This shooter may or may not be the same as 'the balding man' listed above.

The Duffel Bag Carriers - Several witnesses described people carrying unusual duffel bags. Most of the descriptions of these people do not match Harris or Klebold. It is believed the bags contained guns, bombs, and knives used in the attack.
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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:16 am

It is a mixture of different memories of witnesses with the rumors. Although I admit the idea that there were people who knew quite a lot about plans or figured on something like this, but decided to remain silent.

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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:26 am

I think if there were multiple shooters the death toll would be far greater, with the deaths of each student easily attrituble to Eric or Dylan (witness testimony and coinciding with cctv and police reports)
The boys acted alone, I guess some witnesses perhaps in the chaos got a bit confused which is only normal

I also dont believe the boys would of trusted anyone else as much as they did each other.
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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:57 am

That's an awful lot of people who have managed to keep quiet for nearly 2 decades. There's a saying, "Three people can keep a secret...if two are dead." I think that rings true here. I can't see that many people involved and then end up with such a low body count. You also have to consider eyewitness accounts, which are notoriously bad. Two people can witness the same thing and tell very different versions of the events and even describe the perp's physical characteristics completely opposite of each other.
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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:35 am

I don't think there's a third or more shooter, but as [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] said, I do think someone in their circle of acquaintances knew well this was going to happen.

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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:38 am

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I don't think there's a third or more shooter, but as [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] said, I do think someone in their circle of acquaintances knew well this was going to happen.
Yeah I definately agree, whether a few close friends were just warned "dont be at school on apr 20th" or perhaps they trusted a few with more information I think if anyone it would be Chris Morris and Nate Dykeman.
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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:48 am

Yeah absolutely, I believe some people were warned, but I can't get my head around an army basically shooting kids and just ending up with those that Eric and Dylan killed.
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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:04 am

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Yeah absolutely, I believe some people were warned, but I can't get my head around an army basically shooting kids and just ending up with those that Eric and Dylan killed.
Exactly, I have always thought that Chris Morris had prior knowledge for some reason I have always foudn him untruthful when giving his statement "If they had looked at my attendance for that class they would realise I had skipped the last month" as if to say that 100% meant he can't have had any information and then a smug smile following, I play poker alot and if I was against that guy in a hand and he had just raised me all in I would call in a heartbeat.
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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:16 am

Well, by his own admission, it could be that he knew at least a month in advance and decided to set the stage, so to speak, by skipping his class, thinking it would lend credence to his claim of having no prior knowledge of the event. That's EXACTLY what I would do, if I knew something was going down, but I wanted to appear as innocent as possible. "Just look at my attendance! I skipped class for a month straight!"
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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:21 am

Tomb wrote:
Well, by his own admission, it could be that he knew at least a month in advance and decided to set the stage, so to speak, by skipping his class, thinking it would lend credence to his claim of having no prior knowledge of the event. That's EXACTLY what I would do, if I knew something was going down, but I wanted to appear as innocent as possible. "Just look at my attendance! I skipped class for a month straight!"
Yeah thats what I took from it too I dont believe that the Jeff co Police are stupid however releasing somebody because they are innocent or releasing someone because they have no evidence both have the same outcome. Kinda hard to prove two dead guys told one alive guy something Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:21 am

I want to add that I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just that I could imagine trying your damnedest to cover your ass so you're not locked up for conspiracy or murder or something. There's so many characters that come across as shady to me that who even knows what the truth is. It's frustrating.
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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:30 am

Actually, I should clarify this statement: That's EXACTLY what I would do, if I knew something was going down, but I wanted to appear as innocent as possible. "Just look at my attendance! I skipped class for a month straight!"

That's not what I would do. I would turn their asses in so fast their damn heads would spin. I think if people knew or had some idea of what was going to happen, that must be a damn heavy burden to carry. Especially since they're not carefree teenagers now.
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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Mon Jan 02, 2017 10:44 am

The thing is though, their talk of violence is like an open secret. If you think about it from people's accounts and memories, there were many claims that they ALWAYS talked violence and talked about shooting people up especially coming from Eric. They never hid SAYING it. It's just a couple of people not knowing that they meant it. I feel like Chris knew they planned something, but I think he just never took it seriously. So yes some of their friends knew that E&D talked about causing some harm but they can't be sure they'd do it.

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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:58 am

This is a small community. I understand shock can confuse people and witness testimony is iffy. But a lot of these kids grew up together since Kindergarden and straight up named these guys as being shooters. OVer 40 people named them. If over 40 people saw OJ kill Nicole that trial would have gone differently. I don't think you can ignore that evidence.
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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:29 pm

I recall reading somewhere that Nate Dykeman said there were definitely two more shooters who backed out at the last minute, but that Eric and Dylan went ahead with the plan. If that's true, my guess is it was Chris Morris and Robert Perry. To have that many people identify them specifically makes me very suspicious. Especially since so many people were adamant that the TCM was involved, and CM was known as its leader. Eric and Dylan were only fringe members.
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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:02 am

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I recall reading somewhere that Nate Dykeman said there were definitely two more shooters who backed out at the last minute, but that Eric and Dylan went ahead with the plan. If that's true, my guess is it was Chris Morris and Robert Perry. To have that many people identify them specifically makes me very suspicious. Especially since so many people were adamant that the TCM was involved, and CM was known as its leader. Eric and Dylan were only fringe members.

Where did you read that? I find it so hard to believe though, it's most likely Nate's initial speculation. I mean I know for Chris Morris he said he was there when Eric and Dylan were "planning". So as I said above, Eric and Dylan talked of shooting infront of certain people, but these people took it as a joke and not serious. After it happened their friends then put two and two together and thought oh yeah So and So might've been involved, etc.
I don't think there's an actual "backing out", it was meant to be only Eric and Dylan's execution all along.

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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:36 am

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Nathan Dykeman, email exchange of 9-17-06

"...anyway yes there were 2 more people in the school with handguns but they decided to bail.... eric and dylan went threw with it and the other 2 did not... dylan had no doubt in his mind he wanted to do this...

Not sure how credible that source is...

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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:13 am

Thank you [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Wow, those are alot of accounts of multiple shooters though. Way too many.

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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:39 am

There were multiple shooters. Two of them. Eric and Dylan.

All the other accounts are people who misidentified Eric and Dylan as someone else, or passed along rumors to law enforcement as truth.
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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:41 am

What I'm saying is I didn't realise there were many accounts of people saying more than two which is yes infact just Eric and Dylan, though some are believing more people were originally part of the planned but "backed out".

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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:43 am

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Nathan Dykeman, email exchange of 9-17-06

"...anyway yes there were 2 more people in the school with handguns but they decided to bail.... eric and dylan went threw with it and the other 2 did not... dylan had no doubt in his mind he wanted to do this...

Not sure how credible that source is...


I don't believe personally that there were other shooters that backed out the last minute. Makes no sense to me at all. Eric and Dylan were the only shooters and the only people that "knowingly" planned it.
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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:02 pm

An additional problem with the multiple shooters, theory, in addition to the complete lack of hard evidence and the alibis for everyone accused of being a third shooter, is that Eric and Dylan do not mention other shooters during their extended ideations about the shooting.

This doesn't square with their behavior regarding accomplices. Eric and Dylan gladly exposed Mark Manes, Phil Duran, and Robyn Anderson for their involvement as unwitting accomplices. Yet they make no mention of another direct accomplice.

The multiple shooters theory has never had any good evidence to back it up, but conspiracy theories rarely do.
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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:17 pm

The way that the cops and FBI were all over this even using 90's era forensics this would have come to surface almost immediately. not to mention that as conniving and secretive high school students can be, they lack the covert skills to keep this under wraps and would have been apprehended in quick order. Now could have others known about their plan and kept quiet, absolutely. But a conspiracy of this magnitude is highly unlikely.

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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Tue May 09, 2017 6:04 am

Related to this discussion, I need your help.

Anybody remembers names of witnesses who have said they saw other shooters than Eric and Dylan (either Chris Morris, Joe Stair or Robert Perry or others)? I need to look up their interviews in the 11K for a research paper. Also, if you know any names of witness who stated the TCM included more than Eric and Dylan, that year 1999, I'm interested.

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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Tue May 09, 2017 11:56 pm

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According to the final report of the investigation, only two people--Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17--planned and executed the mass shooting at Columbine High School outside Littleton, Colorado, on April 20, 1999, leaving 15 dead and 23 wounded. But at least 101 eye- and ear- witnesses remembered it differently:

1) Chris Wisher, sophomore (1261) He turned and saw two guys carrying shotguns, and wearing black trench coats. A 3rd guy wearing a white T-shirt and jeans was seen throwing bombs onto the roof.

2) Jake Apodaca, sophomore (653) He was at the soccer field, heard firecrackers. He turned and saw two guys carrying shotguns, wearing black trench coats and black T-shirts. A 3rd guy wearing a white T-shirt and jeans was seen throwing bombs onto the roof.

3) Jonathan Cole, freshman (749) He noticed two tall guys in black trench coats. He then saw a third male, wearing a white T-shirt and blue jeans. This person looked over to the other two suspect, and yelled "GO!! GO!!".

4) William Arapkiles, freshman (660) He states that he was at the soccer field, and heard firecrackers. He turned and saw 3 people near the West entrance. Two were wearing black trench coats, and carrying guns. The third was wearing a white T-shirt, and no visible gun. The person in the white T-shirt was pacing back and forth about 5' away from the two gunmen.

5) Channel 7 News at 12pm(noon) on 4-20 (EP 21-244) "Reporter said that numerous witnesses he spoke to who were not named said they saw 3 gunmen."

6) Lindsay Elmore, junior (332)"I believe there were 3 gunmen." (340) "...there was so much movement that Elmore thought there was more than two people."

7) ACSO Nelson (8810) "... a list of 3 names that the 12 witnesses ID'd from a yearbook were turned over to ACSO investigators to forward."

8] Jason Baer, sophomore (1759) Hid in greenroom off science hall "I heard more than two people yelling to each other saying 'over here' and stuff."

9) Anthony Sammauro, freshman (5071) "Tony stated that two suspects came in the front door and one came in the side door."

10) Erik Sunde, freshman (4576) Saw two gunmen downstairs near cafeteria, runs upstairs and sees another person in trenchcoat in front of library doors.

11) Jon Curtis, staff (2286) Describes 3 attackers.

12) Richard Olejniczak, father of students Alicia and Sarah (5070) "Richard then asked this Investigator what information had been obtained reference any other participants. Richard stated that while he was at Lea Wood Elementary School, waiting for information about his two daughters, he talked with two girls who came from the school. The girls said they had seen two guys in the cafeteria, wearing all black. There were also two guys who entered the main door from the parking lot. One was in black, the other in white. The girls said they all had guns.

13) Adam Campbell, senior (732) Walked out of school at 11:20am(immediately before shooting) on 4-20 and saw Harris in the parking lot with 2 or 3 other guys, wearing a white T-shirt and a backward baseball cap.

14) Matt Katzenmeier, sophomore (5745) Saw 4 subjects carrying bags in, according to Darlene Mesch.

15) Alicia Maes, sophomore (22755) Saw 4 people with trenchcoats and guns, according to Rachel Nelson.

16) Natalie Baker, freshman (2583) Told her mother there were 2 other shooters besides Harris and Klebold.

17) Jennifer Tindall, sophomore (1226) Sees 2 suspects, neither of which is Harris and Klebold.

18) Ryan Ezzie, sophomore (2967) Saw 4 people outside with hats on backwards. On 20612, he says he "...saw at least 4 parties dressed in black standing calmly when others were running."(by the school library)

19) Jordan Grimm, freshman (22432) According to Jordan's aunt, he saw Harris and Klebold and 2 others together ouside school just before the incident began.

20) John Spahlinger (1176) Clement Park maintenance worker, "a majority of the students Spahlinger helped informed him there had been a trench coat mafia gang shooting over at the high school and that there were 4 shooters involved."

21) Thornton/NorthglennPD SWAT Team (EP 9-34) At 11:35pm on 4-20(12 hours later) the team enters CHS for another search. "We were advised that 2 suspects(shooters) might still be in the school."

22) Littleton PO Mike Eyman (8670) Advised that "there were possibly 4 suspects in the school."

23) Nathan Dykeman, senior (trenchcoat mafia associate) "...anyway yes there were 2 more people in the school with handguns but they decided to bail.... eric and dylan went threw with it and the other 2 did not...

24) (8894) "Daphne Baca had listed 4 names of possible suspects. Those names included Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, Chris Morris, and Robert Perry."

25) Trista Fogerty, freshman (23144) "Trista said she believes, as do most other students, that there were more than 4 people involved in shooting."

26) J. Adams (7422) Construction worker near CHS; he refers to a black BMW and a small tan car drive down his cul-de-sac, followed five minutes later by the sound of bombs. A co-worker says the BMW was filled with 4 teenagers, the tan car which followed it had 2 people in it. (7430)

27) Gary Talocco, teacher (8876) He says that the school roof repairman saw 3 people exit vehicle with Harris and Klebold. Tan vehicle followed them into the lot.

28) Dick Strange (1194) "It was at approximately 11:45am that Strange first observed 4 to 5 individuals, all dressed in black trench coats, standing alongside Columbine High School in the vicinity of the gymnasium."

29) Patrick Vassar, freshman (4691) Sees 4-5 individuals at 11:15am dressed in black walk away from the school, all wearing trench coats, except one, who was wearing cami pants.

30) Seth Biggi, junior (2475) Was told by Courtney Shakowski she saw 4 to 5 tenchoat mafia members enter cafeteria with a big, black duffel bag.

31) Devon Adams, sophomore (10614) Names 3 (Redacted) names as being directly involved in the Columbine shooting--they are not Harris and Klebold.

32) Boulder PD SWAT Timeline (8245) 2130 hours: "2 suspects believed dead inside, 1 arrest, 1-2 other supects/associates."

33) Julie Thomas, passerby eyewitness (ACSO 808) That on 042099 at about 0755 hours, Julie turned onto Polk St. from Pierce St. and saw a small brownish/golden truck parked on the south side of Polk St. 5 male teens around it. At least three of them are wearing black trench coats.

34) Pat McDuffee, trenchcoat mafia associate (10786) A member of the trenchcoat mafia names 5 people in the attack group. Says another 5 helped plan the attack and helped provide guns and bombs.

35) Melissa Chavez (9023) Met Harris and Klebold and 4 other boys at the mall. They showed her a map of where they would bomb the school.

36) Tim Kastle, senior (3416) Tells police of 5 suspects.

37) Pam Wood (8902) Got call at work in Pennys at South West Plaza from students trapped in school. One saw 6 trenchcoats and that all were shooting handguns.

38) Amy Terry, sophomore (2207) Was told by friend Elisha Encinias that she was in the commons when trench coaters with masks on came in shooting. Running upstairs, she sees 4 people in trenchcoats coming in through the glass doors at the west end of the main hallway.

39) Bryan Frye, sophomore (806) While crawling past the admin office(where he had just heard gunshots), he saw 5 or 6 persons all dressed in black.

40) LFD Capt. Mike Gorman (EP 1-335) "Capt. Gorman told me the only information was that there were 5 to 6 shooters from the Trench Coat Mafia."

41) JCSO Kevin Walker (EP 1-223) "Dep. Walker related the communications center advised there were approximately 6 gunmen, dressed in black."

42) JCSO Vincent DiManna (EP 1-363) At 11:35am, JeffCo. Lt. Manwaring "advised him there were as many as 7 gunmen inside the cafeteria and commons area."

43) CBSNews.com, 4-19-2001 "They(the cops) believed that they really had 6 to 8 armed individuals inside there."

44) Adam Campbell, senior (732) Says fellow student Jessica Cave says she saw 10 shooters at the school(Jessica herself was not interviewed).

What did the ear witnesses hear? Numerous students heard gunshots/explosions in different parts of the school simultaneously. Which of course probably meant more than two shooters, as Harris and Klebold were officially together almost the entire time. To wit:

45) Sara Houy, sophomore (380) Heard bombs in cafeteria below, while shooters were inside library, exploding bombs.

46) Josh Lapp, sophomore (480) Heard gunfire in other parts of the school while attack on library is going on.

47) Brandi Wiseman, sophomore (4751) Caught in one of the rooms off the kitchen, hears gunshots, bombs and screaming coming from cafeteria and library.

48) Holly Pinkham, sophomore (1620) Says friend Don Goin had his shoe shot off while in middle hall, while gunshots were going off in cafeteria.

49) Matt Katzenmeier, sophomore (3424) Heard shots and explosions inside the school at the same time there are 2 suspects outside.

50) Alex Babiniec, freshman (1954) "He thought the explosions were coming from the level he was on and from downstairs at the same time."

51) Drew Lagerborg, junior (1999) Ran west down south hallway, there was a gunman at end of that hallway. Ran to north hallway, he heard a shooter down that hallway as well.

52) Josh Brinkley, sophomore (2528) Heard shots downstairs, then different shots upstairs(from two guns).

53) Jay Gallantine, staff (3086) Sees gunman by library then runs downstairs where he hears more gunshots "all this time hearing shots all around me and above me."

54) Lindsay Wyant, sophomore (4799) Heard shots in cafeteria and library at same time.

55) Evan Todd, sophomore (8826) Heard bombs in other parts of the building while Harris and Klebold were in library.

56 and 57) Diwata Perez and Jessica Holliday, seniors (9923) Heard gunshots elsewhere while shooters were in library.

Among the best evidence are witnesses who actually identified other participants by name.

58) Crystal Archuleta, junior (EP1-197) "...she did see one person throw a pipe bomb. .....She told me at the time she thought it was Robert Perry."

59) Seth Dubois, freshman (EP21-125) "...Seth told Katherine(Carlston) that Robert Perry was seen shooting a girl in the back while leaving the library."

60) Wade Allen Frank, senior (EP1-91) "Mr. Frank told me that he thought origonally one of the individuals(shooting) was someone by the name of Robert..." "He stated that the person was tall, approximately 6'3" and kind of ackward(sic) and gangly."

61) Bryan Frye, sophomore (EP25-69) "He stated that the person he had previously believed this shooter to be was Robert Perry. .....In a previous interview, after receiving his yearbook, he had told his father that he believed the shooter to be Robert Perry. He also stated that the gunman had bad acne."

62) Courtney Haulman, freshman (EP25-91) "There was three guys. The guy I remember most was the main guy. He's over 6' tall and has long curly dark-colored hair. He was wearing a trench coat. His name is Robert Perry."

63) Lacey Hohn, freshman (EP1-186) "...can you identify or descibe who was shooting? ....Ms. Hohn said that she does not believe it was Harris or Klebold. Ms. Hohn believes it was an individual named Robert."

64) Bijen Monty, junior (EP1-110) "I asked her if she saw the source of the shooting. She told me she saw who she thought, at the time, was Robert Perry with a gun hanging around his neck. She said she never actually saw him shoot the weapon. "She asked me if I had any information in regards to Robert Perry. I informed her I did not."

65) Tessa Nelson, freshman (EP1-113) "I asked her if she saw the source of the shots. She said she saw a male, who she thought was Robert Perry, wearing boots, dark jeans with dark hair, walking down the stairs outside the cafeteria. She said the male suspect pulled a gun and started shooting."

66) Katelyn Sue Place, freshman (EP21-285) Kate said, "It was (Redacted). I'm almost positive of it. I remember looking him dead in the eye. He was in my debate class..... . ...Dylan kind of looked like Robert, but Dylan doesn't have the long face. Robert's teeth are messed up and he was smiling and I saw his teeth then. Kate said that she has since seen pictures of Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, and she said, "It's not one of them."(Referring to the person she saw shooting out on the outside commons.) "She remembers him shooting Ann Marie(Hochalter). .... Robert was just randomly shooting. ...Robert was still shooting. ....Kate said that Robert shot Ann Marie before he smiled at Kate. ....She looked and saw Jason(Autenrieth) trying to help Ann Marie, dragging her away from Robert, to the side."

67) Lacey Smith, junior (4470) "On the diagram she depicts (Redacted) as walking in through the doors, past where she was sitting, and going in about as far as they north end of the school store. It was at that time she heard the windows breaking and then realized she was hearing shots. "....she did not have any trouble indentifying PERRY when he walked past her. I asked SMITH how sure she was that the person she saw and spoke with was (Redacted). I asked, "90 percent sure? 50 percent sure?" Her response was "100 percent sure." I then showed SMITH a photo lineup which included a picture of Dylan KLEBOLD, and asked her if the person who walked past her was in the lineup. She stated he was NOT in the lineup. .....As (Redacted) passed her and was near the commons area of the cafeteria, she then explained that (Redacted) pulled a weapon out from under his trench coat and started firing into the cafeteria.

68) Brenton Hooker, junior (16397) "....he turned around and observed an individual he thought was ROBERT PERRY(ex-student of Columbine High School) standing outside the door just to the north of the main entrance shooting a pistol in his direction...." ....HOOKER described the individual he thought was PERRY as 6'8" - 6'11" in height, very skinny, tight black pants, black trench coat..."

69) Tiffany Lien, freshman (968) "Lien stated she believed gunman number one was (Redacted).... ...Lien stated that she was approximately twenty to twenty-five feet away from gunman number one and looked at him face to face for approximately 25 seconds, frozen in her tracks." Tall male had long black trench coat, black jeans, dark brown hair. His hair was kind of long and had curls. He was skinny and his shoulders kind of hunched over. ...She also stated that the gunman had bad acne.

70) Kristen Long, senior (20245) "Long said suspect definitely had dark hair and a large nose, thought it might be (Redacted)."

71) Rusty Shyler, junior (5464) "The individual was very tall. ...Shyler saw his face partially and thought based upon his dress and size that it may have been (Redacted). He was a hundred percent sure it was (Redacted). He described (Redacted) as being 6'6" to 6'7" tall and having lots of zits."

72) Chris Thierren, sophomore (1207) Saw a tall shooter with acne, large nose, shoulder-length hair. "He stated that the picture he saw was of (Redacted) and he was 'pretty sure' he was the shooter he saw that morning at CHS."

73) Erin Walton, sophomore (4139) "Erin Walton said she knew one of the shooters, and that he not one of (the) two Eric and Dylan. ...he was a senior named (Redacted). and he was very tall, had bad acne scars on his cheeks.... "

74) Chris Wisher, sophomore (9832) "....he recognized one of the shooters--the other shooter was the kid wearing black that was arrested and placed in cuffs and put inside a black police car. He said that he is 100% positive that he was the male that shot at him." "Thought he recognized Chris Morris as being one of the shooters.... ...on the west side of the cafeteria."(EP6-265)

75) Ashley Egelund, freshman (22671) "Ashley was in north corridor when she observed (Redacted) and Eric Harris coming around the corner from the library.... She said Chris Morris was armed with a handgun while Harris was armed with a shotgun.(5248 ) ....both started shooting at Ashley.... Ashley did not know (Redacted) at first but she saw his picture in the yearbook and is positive it was (Redacted).

76) Leiha Murphy, sophomore (3828) In the cafeteria, notices commotion outside north-west door. "I saw a guy I recognized as (Redacted). He was running... (Joe)Stair had his blond hair down. It's past his shoulders. He's about 6', tall, skinny, he was wearing a long black trench coat.... I saw nothing in his hands. He was observed a short distance from whatever was going on at the door. My thought was that (Redacted) was involved if there was a fight." Stair named in the cafeteria map(3830). Leiha also immediately picked him out of a photo lineup. "I ask Leiha if she was certain that this individual was (Redacted). Leiha said "Oh yeah, I'm certain.... I saw his face full on. I remember seeing his face completely....(she said he stood in place for about 15 seconds)....I remember him graduating last year." She remembers him wearing 'makeup on his face and hand' and that because of that, he stood out from other students." " (3836) Also, at least four ear- witnesses heard the suspects refer to one of their number as "Joe."(Encinas, 2943, Herivel, 1927, McKenna, 3525, and Salazar, EP21-224)

77) Cara Sander, sophomore (EP25-203) Describes gunman as pudgy, overweight, very full face, thick bushy eyebrows. IDs him as (Redacted), who is heavy-set with a round face, short dark hair and dark eyebrows. A copy of the CHS yearbook page with Brian Sargent's photo is included in her interview. [John Ungerland(1701) says Brian Sargent has a round chubby face and is a big guy with bushy eyebrows. He saw him that morning at school; Sargent was wearing a short sleeve white button-up shirt-a polo type.]

78) Jason Brehm, sophomore (719) One of the shooters had a very round face, shorter than 5'11". Not Harris or Klebold.

79) Mindy Pollock, freshman (10009) Sees one gunman outside west entrance, holding a gun on the fence. ...Dressed in a "white dress-type shirt", short brown hair, with a "little bit of a gut". "POLLOCK stated she recognized the lower, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] gunman as (Redacted)."(1095)

80) David Eagle, sophomore (1878) "The guy with the gun had black hair looked like it was spiked shaved on the sides.(sic) It was also blond on top. 5'9", about 18 years old. "He has since seen pictures of Harris and Klebold on television. ...David said that the person he saw did not look like the people he's seen on television."

81) John Vandemark, sophomore (2216) In the science hall, sees older shooter with dark hair, spiky with blond tips.

82) Erin Walton, sophomore (2243) In th science hall, sees suspect with short blond hair-"like he was going bald"-older, in his 30s.

83) Jen Smull, sophomore (2182) In science hall, sees Klebold and an older suspect, 25-30, blond with short, spiky, buzz-cut hair.

84) Nathan Anema, freshman (2359) "....Anema identified (Redacted) as possibly being the person he saw throw a pipe bomb during the shooting at Columbine High School on 4-20-99. ...Anema stated that he initially thought the person that he saw throwing the pipe bomb was (Redacted)."

85) Katy Beer, freshman (6636) ".... when the incident began at Columbine High School, she initially tried to get out of the school by going toward the main doors on the east side of the school by the administrative offices, however, she said she saw a third shooter next to these offices and that this third shooter shot out windows at that location. ...Katy Beer told him this third shooter may have been (Redacted)."

86) Leanne Clark, freshman (1422) "...Clark told her that she saw who did the shooting in the cafeteria, and that Clark identified (Redacted) as a gunman."

87) Frank DeAngelis, School Principle(8018) "I also assisted the principle of Columbine, who was having hard time giving the pictures of possible suspects to the command post and was present when he looked at and identified one of the suspects he was named.(sic) The male suspect was in the custody of, I believe, Jefferson Co. Sheriff's investigators."

88) Amy Evans, senior (22205) "....Amy Evans said there was a third shooter and it was (Redacted)."

89) Mark Hengel, junior (5901) "Hengel identified Klebold and (Redacted) from the photograph in the attached 1A envelope.... Also attached is a 1A envelope is a diagram of Columbine High School indicating the diection of Hengel and the two individuals dressed in black." Apparently the interviewing officer didn't like what he was hearing, and so the interviewer ends up telling the eyewitness what he saw: "I then advised Mark Hengel that the skinny person he saw standing and shooting was Dylan Klebold and the person he saw standing over the duffel bag was Eric Harris."

90) AnneMarie Hochalter, junior, gunshot victim outside the cafeteria (18218) "Advised that Harris/Klebold did not shoot her. .... Has ID on shooters."

91) Leigh Kamens, senior (1422) While in the 'green room' off of the science hall, she identified (Redacted) as one of the gunmen.

92) Alicia Maes, sophomore (3614) "Alicia stated that when she first observed the male in the black trench coat, she thought it was a person known to her as (Redacted)."

93) Mark Opfer, freshman (1064) "At the time, Opfer believed the taller person in the black tenchcoat who with(sic) the shooter was (Redacted)....." "CHS student Mark Opfer was interviewed on 4-27-99... In that interview Opfer stated that he believed (Redacted, wearing a trench coat) was standing next to a gunman and was involved in the shooting."(25625)

94) Josh Ortwein, senior (1939) "...Josh Ortwein witnessed the shooting and he was telling everyone he saw (Redacted) shooting a gun."

95) Jessica Rusch, sophomore (2143) "...she identified one of the gunmen at the Columbine High School as being an individual known as (Redacted)."

96) Valeen Schnurr, senior, gunshot victim in library (18969) "Per Valeen's mother, Shari Schnurr, Valeen possibly identified her shooter as (Redacted)."

97) Jennifer Tindall, sophomore (1226) "....insisted that neither suspect she saw was Eric Harris or Dylan Klebold. ...Tindall picked out (Redacted) photograph as possibly being the male in the black trench coat."

98) Adam Thompson, junior (21039) "....he had seen a gunman shooting inside the school. Does not think it is the same as gunmen in the media."

99) Terry Lawson, junior (10020) ID other than Harris and Klebold.

100) Monica Schuster junior (19470) "Schuster saw gunman but did not believe it was Harris and Klebold."

101) Kacey Ruegsegger, junior, gunshot victim in library (128) "Ruegsegger did not recognize the pictures of Harris and Klebold she has seen in the media as the gunmen in the library."
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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Wed May 10, 2017 12:25 am

This thread reminds me of the JFK film by Oliver Stone.

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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Wed May 10, 2017 5:07 am

Holy cow! Thank you sororityalpha, that's exactly what I need and more. ;)

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PostSubject: Re: Additional Shooters   Thu May 25, 2017 5:28 am

there were no additonal shooters. every single last conspiracy about columbine is bullshit.
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