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PostSubject: What are we still missing?   Thu May 30, 2013 7:54 pm

I hope this isn't too similar to any of the other threads here as I'm aware we have touched on this in topics before. I understand there are many reasons, some extremely valid as to why certain evidence has not been released. But I thought it may be a good idea to compile a coherent list of what we know of as missing and incomplete evidence. Additionally is there any evidence anyone feels should have been included in all public reports and has not been.

1. The Basement Tapes including Nixon Tape all unedited

2. Full unedited 911 call

3. Full unedited journals

4. Notes from Erics therapy sessions with Kevin Albert

5. Harris and Klebold depositions

6. Dylans autopsy unedited

7. All unedited news camera footage from the day.

8. All videos Eric and Dylan participated in for school: Eric Veik makes reference to several school videotapes that do not sound like the ones we have already seen. pg(10908 - 10935)

9. The video found on the computer in the Tech Lab that was in excess of 12 minutes depicting students acting out a shooting at a business. The sticker on the television monitor that said "Reb" and the sticker on a video tape that read "Vodka" pg(25864)

10.The roll of film taken by students for a class project outside the northwest door of the cafeteria 10 - 20 minutes before A lunch. pg(3514)

11. Transcripts of interviews with the Klebold and Harris family would be useful as opposed to officer summaries.

12. Robyn Anderson missing pg(10638) this would follow on from her “denying that she was involved in the purchase of them” (guns). Pg (10637)

13. There is no report for library team six pg(12502)

14. The videotape from the administration offices pg(9945)

15. Dylans van break in apology letter

16. There is no 'Brad Butts' in the master index. Teacher Judith M Kelly referes to him as Dylans counselor who she gave a copy of his violent essay to. pg(3437)

17. The redacted search warrants. I'm curious as to who the two redacted search warrants belong to pg(25668 - 25674) and pg(25709 - 25720) especially considering the other search warrants have names included.

18. Tim Walsh who arrested E/D after the van break in is mentioned in a small paragraph on pg(10047) and he has a 4 line statement on pg(10603) where he briefly describes prior contact with E/D. Considering this officer had previously arrested both boys it seems odd he would have not been given a more in depth interview. I know they were under 18 at the time but they could release the booking photos.

19. Was there ever an interview with Detective Hicks? Who met with the Browns regarding the complaint about Erics webpages pg(89 NEA) His name is not in the master index.

20. There does not seem to be an interview with Jeffrey Harthan, the individual seen near the Klebold house thought to be looking for spent shells after 4/20 pg(7452 - 7454)

21. Were there no online chat logs that could be recovered from Eric’s computer between himself and Dylan and / or other friends? Conversation 1 pg(26571-3) and Conversation 2 pg(26574-5) are included as evidence.

22. All of E/D school records and writings, surely they wrote more essays than the ones we have.

(There are many more missing pieces of evidence I have recorded but I don't have access to them right now. I will try and post them over the weekend)
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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Fri May 31, 2013 11:06 am

There is so much missing it is so depressing. And it's been so long, what are the odds of any of this ever becoming public? Not good, I would say.

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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Fri May 31, 2013 11:29 am

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There is so much missing it is so depressing. And it's been so long, what are the odds of any of this ever becoming public? Not good, I would say.

I think I mentioned this somewhere before but it is a sad and very real possibility that we won't see much of this missing information. However i'm always happy when we do. I was pleasantly surprised when the Klebolds were interviewed in Far From the Tree and their chapter did offer us some new information. I'll have to paraphrase from memory but Sue Klebold mentioned in that book how she felt she wanted to let people know what Dylan was like pre 4/20. I could really see her doing more interviews in the future.
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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Fri May 31, 2013 4:18 pm

Wow, this is really a lot of stuff and I didn't realize until now

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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Fri May 31, 2013 4:41 pm

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Wow, this is really a lot of stuff and I didn't realize until now

There's much more too.
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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Fri May 31, 2013 7:48 pm

@queenfarooq wrote:
@SandraSmit19 wrote:
There is so much missing it is so depressing. And it's been so long, what are the odds of any of this ever becoming public? Not good, I would say.

I think I mentioned this somewhere before but it is a sad and very real possibility that we won't see much of this missing information. However i'm always happy when we do. I was pleasantly surprised when the Klebolds were interviewed in Far From the Tree and their chapter did offer us some new information. I'll have to paraphrase from memory but Sue Klebold mentioned in that book how she felt she wanted to let people know what Dylan was like pre 4/20. I could really see her doing more interviews in the future.

I second that. I sure hope Sue does more interviews and it would be really great if she did one on tv. I still think Oprah would be the right choice for her interview and I know Oprah's been wanting to talk with her publicly for years. She should make it her life's work to let people know what her son was like so it isn't so easy to just peg him as a "monster". What with all the shootings that continue to go on, or even with kids in the planning phase like the one in Oregon, it would be helpful for parents to identify some signs in their child no matter how subtle. It's all relevant. After fourteen years, there's no need to keep hiding in fear of repercussions. Especially, considering that they still live in the same house and are still in the same community. I hope Sue continues to open up more and take that bold step of talking openly about it. It's beneficial to everyone and it would make Dylan's actions not in vain. It would serve a better purpose.

Thanks for compiling that list. It's utterly sad how much we're missing and knowing that JeffCo is banking on time letting the public forget so they won't ever have to bother addressing any of the missing items.

The problem with the Basement Tapes is that they can use the Oregon plotting to say "this is why we won't release the tapes" when, in fact, it should be the very reason why they release them. The school shooters (and now movie theater and mall shooters) still continue regardless whether the Basement Tapes have been released or not.
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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Fri May 31, 2013 8:15 pm

Well actually, I believe we have access to a huge amount of information and so much has been released. Yes it would be amazing to have more and its always a possibility. After all the famous Zapruder film of president John F. Kennedy's assassination was only shown in its entirety to the public 1975, 13 years years after the shooting. Never give up, every year since the shooting, something Columbine gets released or shown, whether its a big time interview or evidence released.
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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:46 pm

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Well actually, I believe we have access to a huge amount of information and so much has been released.
I agree, there's a huge amount of information released and there's a great deal to learn from it all and I think that's one of the reasons there is so much to discuss.

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The problem with the Basement Tapes is that they can use the Oregon plotting to say "this is why we won't release the tapes"
I agree, there's so many incidents that can referred to as justification for not releasing the Basement Tapes.

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23. Was there a search affidavit drafted for the Klebold house from March / April 1998 after the Browns reported Erics website? If so where is it?
Initially the search warrant for the Harris home was denied, then revealed. 

24. Family members of the deceased who do not have interviews but who are recorded in the Staff and Student Location list: Christopher Bernall (Brother), Jill Curnow (Sister), Jena DePooter (Sister), Nicole Petrone (D.R Step Sister) and Michelle Shoels (Sister). 

25. Is there any paperwork on Jason Kirks claim regarding “who he thought, was Harris” allegedly waving a shotgun at him in July 1998 outside a 7/11. He does say the incident was reported to police. Which TCM member was involved in this if not Harris?

26.The promotional videotape for the play 'Get Smart' depicting the school being blown up. As mentioned in NEA

27. Were there "bombs in the trash cans on Monday the 19th of April" as mentioned in Nathan Lopatins statement pg(2016) Is this another rumor or was this recorded anywhere official?

28. All webpages / sites and profiles created by E/D. Include all email correspondence here.The FBI shut down many sites almost immediately especially the ones that hosted Erics website. 
I know we have access to some of Erics website but is this all there was? What about any other traces of E/D on the internet?

29. Any Prom and After prom photographs, there were students who reported taking photos of both boys. 

30. Correspondence between the Diversion Programme and CHS regarding E/D's entry and early termination. 

31. Some detailed information if any about the "crisis training" that allegedly took place shortly before the shootings. Who organized this and took part in it?
Also what did it entail? Daryll Strahl (parent of Columbine student) in an interview with Time stated: 
"I think the school district has done an awesome thing. When confronted with the crisis, their teachers knew what to do. Their crisis training that they had just had enabled them to save a bunch of kids' lives yesterday. " 

32. An explanation of the two calls made by NYPD 13:30 - 13:40 "with info" and 16:39 - 16:46 recorded in the El Paso Records Report concerning "911 calls " (note another interesting NYC connection)

33. Who was the "Male with possible info that daughter may be involved" who called in at 13:42 for two minuets? Was there any association with E/D?

34. In NEA the Browns describe while meeting with the law enforcement about Eric's website, that when asked if there had been any reports of similar bombs being set off in the area, the answer was yes. It would be interesting to see reports on any bomb related incidents within the few years leading upto Columbine. Or were these just not recorded Rolling Eyes

35. A timeline of events for what E/D were doing the morning of 4/20 and/or the weeks leading upto 4/20

36. As mentioned in Randy Browns Request all records on Time reporter Tim Roche being given access to the Basement Tapes. I wonder who else was given access to the tapes that we don't already know about

37. Why is there no interview for diversion counselor Andrea Sanchez, she filled out E/D's intake forms and discussed personal issues with both boys and their families. 
 
38. Teacher Kevin Turner does not seem to have been interviewed, he was reported as having many alleged members / associates of the TCM in his classes pg(6079)

(apologies if any of these have been made available, please correct me if they have)
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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:55 pm

Childhood home videos of Eric and Dylan.
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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:29 pm

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Childhood home videos of Eric and Dylan.
You're right yes, and the prom video of Dylan.
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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:41 pm

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Hale-Bopp wrote:
Childhood home videos of Eric and Dylan.






You're right yes, and the prom video of Dylan.





Damn, I'd love to see that.  Hell, I'd settle for the photos they took at prom and the after prom. ;)
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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:56 am

Yeah, anything would be good. I'm pretty optimistic that we will perhaps see a few more bits and pieces in the near future, I'm just not sure what. I understand they want their privacy but sometimes i'm surprised we haven't seen the Dylan prom video, it's mentioned in the most recent Far From the Tree and I imagine would show Dylan in a somewhat positive light.
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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:20 am

I seem to remember seeing a thread, I think on SBB, listing all of the missing interviews from the 11K. Would love to recreate that list. Unfortunately, it seems like I'm always at work when these ideas come and I don't have any of my stuff. queenfarooq, do you have a list of these?
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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:48 am

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I seem to remember seeing a thread, I think on SBB, listing all of the missing interviews from the 11K. Would love to recreate that list. Unfortunately, it seems like I'm always at work when these ideas come and I don't have any of my stuff. queenfarooq, do you have a list of these?

I don't have the actual list from SBB but I do have a lot of notes regarding what is missing. My notes are messy so I've been trying to make them into lists that everyone can understand like above. I'll take a look at anything I have to do with missing interviews and add this to the topic shortly.
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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:10 am

I have most of my notes in a spread sheet, with additional documents with wtf type stuff, missing interviews, etc. Unfortunately. I'm not all the way through. Tomorrow night I'm try to get some things posted though.
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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:34 am

Didnt Devon Adams said, that she has a picture from Dylan hugging a cactus at the Arizona-trip? I would also love to see that.
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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:01 am

Here ya go.

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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:59 am

@Jenn wrote:
Here ya go.

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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:30 pm

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Here ya go.

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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:12 pm

I just added the additional missing pieces to the numbered list:
 39. Childhood videos 
 40. Prom video. 
 Great find on the picture by the way

Missing Interviews aside from the ones mentioned in the above lists:

41. Library Injured
Makai Hall  - On Master Index and Student Staff Location list 
Austin Eubanks - Huge redacted section pg(30 - 31) when talking about the shooting

42. Outside Witnesses
Garrett (Gary) Talocco - On Master Index - Teacher - Was contacted by El Paso and reported as uncooperative, told officers he had an attorney representing him and the interests of the school district regarding possible law suits against them. pg(174) - Case Core.

43. Science Witnesses 
Earth Science Class Witnesses
Kara Barnstable (unable to contact)
Chelsea Brown 
Robin Clark (unable to contact after several attempts)
Collin Hansen 
Nathan Hochhalter (Brother of Anne-Marie)
Christopher Holick
Sarah Kirkpatrick (moved away)
Lauren Krolicki
Michael Mallon (unable to contact)
Cori Martinez (refused interview)
Stephanie Martin (unable to contact)
Daniel Romero (Location:unk)
Justin Savole 
Emily Settle (unable to contact)
Nancy Steggal (unable to contact)
Andrew Swanson
Stuart Wilson

The majority of students with no interview or no written interview in the 11k were either in the Earth Science or Biology Class at the time of the shooting. Some Earth Science students reportedly gave telephone interviews. These students all had similar accounts of what happened. They were told to evacuate and did not see or hear anything. Others say they were told to hide and heard shots and bombs but saw nothing, they remained in the school for 3-4 hours until rescued by SWAT. Interviewed students accounts differ in the sense some reported bullets being shot through the wall, hearing suspects speak German and hearing a victim begging for their life. 
NOTE: According to reports E/D did venture into the science area[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] 

Biology Class Witnesses 
David Batchelder 
Kristopher Bovee
Ashley Davis 
Anna Dismang 
Richard Gallegos 
Lindsay Hamilton
Tami Knowles

Biology students who were contacted by telephone gave similar accounts of locking themselves in a classroom until they were rescued by SWAT. Other interviewed students said they saw Dave Sanders after he was shot and saw shooters shooting at and trying to enter one of the science rooms. Also heard shooters yelling. 

Other Science Area Witnesses
Greg Barnes 
Elizabeth Klepper

(I have a list of Science Witnesses that were interviewed only by telephone I can post if anyone is interested)

TIPS MISSING INTERVIEWS 
David Ace 
Rebecca Bayird 
Susan Bradley 
Judy Brown 
Linda Cook 
Greg Garnet only cover page pg(13188)
Sindi Haze 
Marge Hendry
Brian Heritage only cover page pg(13231)
Alicia Hewitt only cover page pg(13232)
Leonard Horwin 
Mona Kail (Tips) only cover page pg(13264)
Karen Kraeczowski only cover page pg(13290)
Eric Kruger only cover page pg(13291)
Gina Krutulis 
Bradley Kuhns 
Aaron Maley only cover page pg(13332)
Samuel Meyersick 
Jess Nelson 
Richard Nelson 
John Perry 
Greg Phillips only cover page pg(13435)
Lauren Piehn only cover page pg(13436)
Lauren Pool only cover page pg(13441)
William Puljo 
Logan Richins only cover page pg(13465) 
Judy Ryon 
June Sanderson 
Joe Schallmoser only cover page pg(13496)
Tammy Solano - Gonzales only cover page pg(13545)
Patricia Spitzer 
Rick Starr
Aleeca Thomas only cover page pg(13569)
Carmen Zamora only cover page pg(13650)
Kathy no surname 

Again, if anyone finds any discrepancies here please let me know.
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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:17 pm

44. Melissa Sowder. Her name crops up several times. She was taken out of school for making threats, saying she wished she helped E/D kill some athletes and was an alleged TCM associate pg(3114), she felt students had  "got what they deserved" and the shooting was "funny" pg(4144), she also claimed to have prior knowledge of the shootings. She appeared to have had many issues and was hospitalized after the shooting. She was not interviewed but law enforcement could have subpoenaed her.
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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:45 pm

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I just added the additional missing pieces to the numbered list:
Missing Interviews aside from the ones mentioned in the above lists:

41. Library Injured
Makai Hall  - On Master Index and Student Staff Location list 
Austin Eubanks - Huge redacted section pg(30 - 31) when talking about the shooting

42. Outside Witnesses
Garrett (Gary) Talocco - On Master Index - Teacher - Was contacted by El Paso and reported as uncooperative, told officers he had an attorney representing him and the interests of the school district regarding possible law suits against them. pg(174) - Case Core.

43. Science Witnesses 
Earth Science Class Witnesses
Kara Barnstable (unable to contact)
Chelsea Brown 
Robin Clark (unable to contact after several attempts)
Collin Hansen 
Nathan Hochhalter (Brother of Anne-Marie)
Christopher Holick
Sarah Kirkpatrick (moved away)
Lauren Krolicki
Michael Mallon (unable to contact)
Cori Martinez (refused interview)
Stephanie Martin (unable to contact)
Daniel Romero (Location:unk)
Justin Savole 
Emily Settle (unable to contact)
Nancy Steggal (unable to contact)
Andrew Swanson
Stuart Wilson

The majority of students with no interview or no written interview in the 11k were either in the Earth Science or Biology Class at the time of the shooting. Some Earth Science students reportedly gave telephone interviews. These students all had similar accounts of what happened. They were told to evacuate and did not see or hear anything. Others say they were told to hide and heard shots and bombs but saw nothing, they remained in the school for 3-4 hours until rescued by SWAT. Interviewed students accounts differ in the sense some reported bullets being shot through the wall, hearing suspects speak German and hearing a victim begging for their life. 
NOTE: According to reports E/D did venture into the science area[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] 

Biology Class Witnesses 
David Batchelder 
Kristopher Bovee
Ashley Davis 
Anna Dismang 
Richard Gallegos 
Lindsay Hamilton
Tami Knowles

Biology students who were contacted by telephone gave similar accounts of locking themselves in a classroom until they were rescued by SWAT. Other interviewed students said they saw Dave Sanders after he was shot and saw shooters shooting at and trying to enter one of the science rooms. Also heard shooters yelling. 

Other Science Area Witnesses
Greg Barnes 
Elizabeth Klepper

(I have a list of Science Witnesses that were interviewed only by telephone I can post if anyone is interested)

TIPS MISSING INTERVIEWS 
David Ace 
Rebecca Bayird 
Susan Bradley 
Judy Brown 
Linda Cook 
Greg Garnet only cover page pg(13188)
Sindi Haze 
Marge Hendry
Brian Heritage only cover page pg(13231)
Alicia Hewitt only cover page pg(13232)
Leonard Horwin 
Mona Kail (Tips) only cover page pg(13264)
Karen Kraeczowski only cover page pg(13290)
Eric Kruger only cover page pg(13291)
Gina Krutulis 
Bradley Kuhns 
Aaron Maley only cover page pg(13332)
Samuel Meyersick 
Jess Nelson 
Richard Nelson 
John Perry 
Greg Phillips only cover page pg(13435)
Lauren Piehn only cover page pg(13436)
Lauren Pool only cover page pg(13441)
William Puljo 
Logan Richins only cover page pg(13465) 
Judy Ryon 
June Sanderson 
Joe Schallmoser only cover page pg(13496)
Tammy Solano - Gonzales only cover page pg(13545)
Patricia Spitzer 
Rick Starr
Aleeca Thomas only cover page pg(13569)
Carmen Zamora only cover page pg(13650)
Kathy no surname 

Again, if anyone finds any discrepancies here please let me know.

These are missing interviews from the notes I've made so far. In some cases, IOs spoke to the parents who said their children were out of town/traumatized/didn't see anything. In others, no contact was able to be made. I didn't differentiate. Sorry! I'll also apologize in advance for any misspellings or duplicates. I'm tired.

Science Area
Sarah Allison (1745)
Sara Arbogast (1747)
Jessica Cave (1820)
Tiffany Chamanzad (1823)
Robert Dierken (1869)
Jessica Evans (1889)
Jalene Sauter (2160)
Carly Witt (2260)

Math Area
Adam "Kyle" Ashton (1286)
Kerry Casperson (1360)
Eric Collova (1316)
Andrew Fisher (1315)
Phillip Wolfe (1725)
Russell Wolfe (1727)
Nicholas Wolff (1729)

Other
Kimberly Cornell - location unknown (1368)
Jennifer Hodgson - gym (2676)
Penny Hohn - smoker's pit (859)
Steven Turilli - location unknown (1694)
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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:43 am

@Jenn wrote:
Here ya go.

Ehm...yeah, thank you.
You must be a good friend of Devon, that she gave that picture to you.Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:32 am

I know it sounds naive, but I've been involved in a few campaigns involving petitions that have yielded some results..  Getting a million emails about something can be annoying enough to cause people to acquiesce.  Would a change.org petition to the judge/authorities be a terrible idea?
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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:09 am

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Here ya go.

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Ehm...yeah, thank you.
You must be a good friend of Devon, that she gave that picture to you.Laughing

No problem. You said you wanted the picture of Dylan hugging the cactus and it just so happened I had the photo, so I thought I'd post it.

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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:39 am

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I know it sounds naive, but I've been involved in a few campaigns involving petitions that have yielded some results..  Getting a million emails about something can be annoying enough to cause people to acquiesce.  Would a change.org petition to the judge/authorities be a terrible idea?

I think it would depend on what you were wanting to petition for specifically?
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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:46 pm

I would think the basement tapes would be a good place to start, as well as any interviews or directly-related reports that might be being withheld.. We can't demand things that are not known to exist
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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:22 am

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I would think the basement tapes would be a good place to start, as well as any interviews or directly-related reports that might be being withheld..  We can't demand things that are not known to exist

I think a petition for the basement tapes is an excellent idea. At the very least, it would show there is still public interest in them. I think a good argument would be that withholding the tapes is giving people the impression that E/D's words are too powerful for the public to hear and that people should be afraid of them -it's actually making things worse. Cho's video was aired on TV and it was no big deal.
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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:32 am

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elzbetke wrote:
I would think the basement tapes would be a good place to start, as well as any interviews or directly-related reports that might be being withheld..  We can't demand things that are not known to exist

I think a petition for the basement tapes is an excellent idea. At the very least, it would show there is still public interest in them. I think a good argument would be that withholding the tapes is giving people the impression that E/D's words are too powerful for the public to hear and that people should be afraid of them -it's actually making things worse. Cho's video was aired on TV and it was no big deal.

This board could start one!
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PostSubject: Re: What are we still missing?   Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:58 am

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elzbetke wrote:
I would think the basement tapes would be a good place to start, as well as any interviews or directly-related reports that might be being withheld..  We can't demand things that are not known to exist

I think a good argument would be that withholding the tapes is giving people the impression that E/D's words are too powerful for the public to hear and that people should be afraid of them -it's actually making things worse. Cho's video was aired on TV and it was no big deal.

I agree with the reasoning here.
I think another petition certainly would gather many signatures and access to people who would be willing to put their name on a petition is fairly accessible.
There are currently and have been petitions to release the basement tapes over the years which have yielded no results, alongside people writing letters etc. I really don't want to put a downer on the whole idea but personally I think they are not going to be released any time soon, but as I say this is just a personal opinion.
Having said that I don't know a great deal about the whole process involved in starting a petition, but it sounds like elzbetke has had experience and knows what they are talking about. Also as mentioned that little bit of extra public pressure may contribute in some way to the tapes eventually been released. If you do start one I'd certainly put my name on it as i'm sure many on this Forum would.
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