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PostSubject: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:39 pm

To actually go out and kill a bunch of people you would have to have enough hate in your heart to do so.

Somebody that is not 'full of hate' would not go out and kill people.

What do you think and why?


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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:54 pm

I don't necessarily think someone has to be full of hate to go on a rampage.

I do however think that both Eric and Dylan were.

I'm not so sure, say, Lanza was full of hate like Eric and Dylan seemed to be.
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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:55 pm


Did Adam Lanza kill 6 year old children out of a twisted sense of love?
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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:48 pm

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Did Adam Lanza kill 6 year old children out of a twisted sense of love?

I think Sandy Hook had less to do with hate and more with the fact Adam Lanza was truly mentally disturbed. Eric and Dylan were depressed but it was their environment, school experiences etc. that caused them to become full of hate and pushed them over the edge.

If a person is so full of hate that they decide to kill people, I'd imagine they'd want to target the people they hate and not, say, 6-year-olds.
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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:21 pm


Oh I am sure he harboured hatred/bitterness in his heart for them.

And you have to have some form of hate to shoot all the children 3 and 11 times each.

Didn't he yell and swear at the poor little kids during his shooting?

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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:40 pm

I think professionals would argue that Eric and Dylan were truly mentally disturbed and I think anyone can see that they did not really hate anyone that they killed. I don't see a major difference between Sandy Hook and Columbine in terms of victim choice. This was not one of those cases where a kid was pushed to the edge by bullying and targeted his tormentors before committing suicide. Their victims probably deserved to be hated about as much as Lanza's victims did and Eric and Dylan meant to target their entire school, which does not add up with what you are saying. Sometimes I wonder if Lanza's plan was to make it clear that he did not believe that he was targeting people who deserved to be killed because I think he knew that Eric and Dylan's justifications for murdering their classmates were empty and that most people see through them as soon as they do a bit of research into their lives. Maybe mass murder can be a symbolic act but they were still killing people who had personally done nothing to them and they knew this.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Were you being sarcastic with that comment or do you believe it might be true? I know some people believe that Adam felt like he was "saving" those children. I don't agree with that interpretation myself but I'm not sure what you believe.

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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:44 pm

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Oh I am sure he harboured hatred/bitterness in his heart for them.

And you have to have some form of hate to shoot all the children 3 and 11 times each.

Didn't he yell and swear at the poor little kids during his shooting?

I happen to agree with Draw_It_White that hate is not a necessary ingredient for mass murder.

Yes, Lanza swore and yelled at those children. I think this is indicative of rage. I know that hate and rage can be related but I think rage better expresses what was happening with Lanza and probably Eric and Dylan, too. In your opinion, why would Lanza have hated the children? I think just like Eric and Dylan, he was angry at the world and those children were convenient targets for his rage.

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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:48 pm


Adam may have had a twisted sense of love thinking that he was saving them from a future wretched life, no one knows for sure.

But it definitely takes a certain amount of hatred in order to kill people.

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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:30 pm

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I think professionals would argue that Eric and Dylan were truly mentally disturbed and I think anyone can see that they did not really hate anyone that they killed. I don't see a major difference between Sandy Hook and Columbine in terms of victim choice. This was not one of those cases where a kid was pushed to the edge by bullying and targeted his tormentors before committing suicide. Their victims probably deserved to be hated about as much as Lanza's victims did and Eric and Dylan meant to target their entire school, which does not add up with what you are saying. Sometimes I wonder if Lanza's plan was to make it clear that he did not believe that he was targeting people who deserved to be killed because I think he knew that Eric and Dylan's justifications for murdering their classmates were empty and that most people see through them as soon as they do a bit of research into their lives. Maybe mass murder can be a symbolic act but they were still killing people who had personally done nothing to them and they knew this.

I meant that they hated the whole school. It started off with the "bullies" or whatever, and then their hate just grew to include everyone in the school because they felt that nobody did anything to help them. Obviously I'm not saying that's healthy thinking, but I think it explains why Eric and Dylan shot their classmates and not some random people at a shopping mall or something. Lanza, on the other hand, had no connection to the children he killed whatsoever, except that he used to attend Sandy Hook a long time ago.
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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:01 am

I relate to Eric, sometimes I think I know he feels or where he is coming from, so honestly it's not really hate, it's more of like years of abandonment and heartbreak, disappointed that lead to "hate" for almost everybody. I think you must have had constant disappointment in your life then you no longer have hope in people and in trying, so might aswell eradicate the human-race responsible for hurting you as so.

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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:20 pm

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I relate to Eric, sometimes I think I know he feels or where he is coming from, so honestly it's not really hate, it's more of like years of abandonment and heartbreak, disappointed that lead to "hate" for almost everybody. I think you must have had constant disappointment in your life then you no longer have hope in people and in trying, so might aswell eradicate the human-race responsible for hurting you as so.
From what I heard though, they weren't all that hated at Columbine, they had a few friends. I don't understand why they would feel abandoned.
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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:40 am

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I relate to Eric, sometimes I think I know he feels or where he is coming from, so honestly it's not really hate, it's more of like years of abandonment and heartbreak, disappointed that lead to "hate" for almost everybody. I think you must have had constant disappointment in your life then you no longer have hope in people and in trying, so might aswell eradicate the human-race responsible for hurting you as so.
From what I heard though, they weren't all that hated at Columbine, they had a few friends. I don't understand why they would feel abandoned.

True they had friends, but I don't think their friends were good enough for them. They certainly were not friends with the popular crowd. The popular pretty girls didn't pay attention to them. And on top of that add the mental illness aspect. Both were depressed. Depression can cause you to feel all alone even when you are not

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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:34 am

The popular crowd doesn't really like you unless you're in their certain group. I hope that's changed, but I don't know. I also thought a few attractive girls were attracted to them from what I heard?
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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:37 am

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The popular crowd doesn't really like you unless you're in their certain group. I hope that's changed, but I don't know. I also thought a few attractive girls were attracted to them from what I heard?

Well you can look up photos of Robyn or Kristi Eppling... In my opinion both girls were attractive. But of course beauty is subjective. We know Dylan was not interested in Robyn and Eric was not interested in Kristi. Maybe they just didn't see the girls as attractive. We know that Eric was obsessed with Brandi. She didn't give him the time of day and couldn't even remember his name when he told it to her a few min earlier. Brandi was who he wanted. And she didn't want him.

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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:16 am

It's an unsolvable riddle, especially without the basement tapes. I think ascribing a motive to Columbine is guaranteed to be far-reaching. Unlike Lanza, they were fully functioning, social, had decent to above average family lives (from what we know), with well adjusted older siblings. Their massacre just never seems to make sense, and I think that might have been the whole point.
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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:49 am

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The popular crowd doesn't really like you unless you're in their certain group. I hope that's changed, but I don't know. I also thought a few attractive girls were attracted to them from what I heard?

Well you can look up photos of Robyn or Kristi Eppling... In my opinion both girls were attractive.  But of course beauty is subjective.  We know Dylan was not interested in Robyn and Eric was not interested in Kristi.  Maybe they just didn't see the girls as attractive.  We know that Eric was obsessed with Brandi.  She didn't give him the time of day and couldn't even remember his name when he told it to her a few min earlier.  Brandi was who he wanted.  And she didn't want him.
Yea, she was one of those bitches who was judgemental, just because of how a person looks. I hope Brandi is fat today.
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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:03 pm

I have to tell you guys a secret, when I was in middle school, I felt like gunning down the people who weren't nice to me either. I'm fine now, but it hurt me badly. My therapist said it's middle school, they were immature and brats.
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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:05 pm

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The popular crowd doesn't really like you unless you're in their certain group. I hope that's changed, but I don't know. I also thought a few attractive girls were attracted to them from what I heard?

Well you can look up photos of Robyn or Kristi Eppling... In my opinion both girls were attractive.  But of course beauty is subjective.  We know Dylan was not interested in Robyn and Eric was not interested in Kristi.  Maybe they just didn't see the girls as attractive.  We know that Eric was obsessed with Brandi.  She didn't give him the time of day and couldn't even remember his name when he told it to her a few min earlier.  Brandi was who he wanted.  And she didn't want him.
Yea, she was one of those bitches who was judgemental, just because of how a person looks.  I hope Brandi is fat today.

There have been photos of her posted on here recently I believe? In any case IIRC she is a teacher and a mother so she has put on some weight I guess but that in and of itself is a judgemental thing to say. Criticizing someone for being judgemental and then making a judgemental comment on them is not right. We in general should strive to be better and overcome things like that. Not try to bring others down.

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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:31 pm

I seen the cafeteria video and she just ignore him when he tried to talk to her? She was calling out for this guy "jeremy" instead. That was so wrong and mean.
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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:36 pm

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I seen the cafeteria video and she just ignore him when he tried to talk to her? She was calling out for this guy "jeremy" instead. That was so wrong and mean.

A lot of the video was about her. Eric went to the cafeteria and she stated she would join him. So at the beginning when Eric is at the table with his friends you can hear them talk about waiting for her to come down. Then she comes down and looks right at them and ignores them. Goes to a different table. Thus the "Eric got jacked in the a$$" comment. Then later yes she is paying attention to Jeremy when Eric is trying to say goodbye. And then again on a different day when she spends quite a bit of time with Eric, Erik and Mike and despite talking to them cannot even remember his name. Eric was smitten with her but she didnt care about him

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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:38 pm

Well, I did read she was traumatized by Columbine, I guess that's a good revenge as any.
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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:14 pm

Having friends doesn't mean you can't feel alone. And infact, those friends of theirs aren't the kind which you can count on, maybe Eric at least, he only had Dylan, Dylan had Nate/Zack/Chris. Sometimes your own mental issues is something you struggling with on your own and isn't about friends. They both felt abandoned somehow. For Eric, he probably feels so each time he gets turned down by girls he's interested in. and each time he moves cities.

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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:15 pm

And let me remind you "hate", can also strongly mean hate for themselves. They hated themselves

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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:07 pm

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I seen the cafeteria video and she just ignore him when he tried to talk to her? She was calling out for this guy "jeremy" instead. That was so wrong and mean.
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Well, I did read she was traumatized by Columbine, I guess that's a good revenge as any.

Stop talking like you know these people. She doesn't owe him anything. For all we know, Eric could have said something off-putting (e.g. Sieg Heil!) and she overheard at some other time. It was "so wrong and mean" that she didn't talk to a kid who had been seriously planning mass murder for months? Her being traumatized is a good revenge? Come back to earth, please.
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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:15 pm

So being a snob is okay? is that really the right attitude you want to have towards people? She should've at least talked to him, you know gave him a chance.
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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:16 pm

This is why a lot of guys don't attempt to ask girls out anymore. They are judgmental and have bad attitudes.
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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:30 pm

HA! Plenty of men ask women out! You, admittedly, have no interaction with females and yet were ALL judgmental and have bad attitudes? Pot, meet kettle.
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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:33 pm

I don't want to have interaction with them, thank you very much.
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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:43 pm

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So being a snob is okay? is that really the right attitude you want to have towards people? She should've at least talked to him, you know gave him a chance.

If you don't like someone, you can't be forced to. She should have told him she wasn't interested but really we don't know that he really ever showed he liked her. It may seem obvious in hindsight from people outside the situation and I know he roundabout-ly asked her to prom but we don't know if she knew he liked her.


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PostSubject: Re: "FULL OF HATE" - One of the Main Reasons Why Columbine Happened   Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:53 pm

And that is the exact reason why I don't approach women.
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