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PostSubject: Rachel Scott controversy   Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:36 pm

Was Richard Castaldo's eye witness account of the She Said Yes story ever confirmed? I thought I read somewhere that all of the shots that hit her were from a distance.
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PostSubject: Re: Rachel Scott controversy   Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:46 am

It was never confirmed. Rachel was shot at a distance and killed without saying a word. Even if she didn't die instantly, she would not have been in a condition to speak. There is only one She Said Yes story, and that was Valeen Schnurr, however she survived.

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PostSubject: Re: Rachel Scott controversy   Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:41 pm

TheSpiral wrote:
It was never confirmed. Rachel was shot at a distance and killed without saying a word. Even if she didn't die instantly, she would not have been in a condition to speak. There is only one She Said Yes story, and that was Valeen Schnurr, however she survived.

Thanks. I kind of jumped the gun there. I should have done more research here first. The information on this forum is outstanding.
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PostSubject: Re: Rachel Scott controversy   Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:02 pm

I just wonder what really happened. The only account is from Richard Castaldo, and he was severely injured. The evidence doesn't point to the whole "I'm Not Ashamed" version, but I wonder if the story is partially true in some way.
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PostSubject: Re: Rachel Scott controversy   Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:13 pm

I interviewed Richard for this

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PostSubject: Re: Rachel Scott controversy   Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:17 pm

Outside Evidence in the Area of Rachel Scott - TEC-DC9M:

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Casings from TEC: The average ejection path of an empty casing was forward three feet, four and a half inches (3’4 ½”) and to the right six feet, nine and a half inches (6’9½”) (The ejection port for the gun casing is on the right side of the TEC)

Outside:

CBI 62/JCSO 2111 [R-P] – Upper Stairs, South West of Chain Link Fence, Area 1
CBI 173/JCSO 2227 [R-P], CBI 187/JCSO 2242 [R-P] – Between Library Emergency Exit Door & West Entrance Doors, Area 2
CBI 205/JCSO 2266 [R-P] – West of Rachel Scott’s Body, Area 4


Bullet Fragments from TEC

Outside:

CBI 200/JCSO 2255 – Between Library Emergency Exit Door & West Entrance Doors, Area 2

ACSO/Swedish Medical Center:

CBI 1013/JCSO 10097 – Removed from Richard Castaldo’s Wounds


In my opinion:

*One (1) casing (2111) below the top of the stairs.
*Two (2) casings (2227,2242) by the West Entrance Doors when Dylan fired, at least once, at Richard Castaldo.
*One (1) casing (2266) by Rachel's final body position. Rachel was NOT anywhere near there at the time it was fired.

*Bullet fragment(s) (2255) near where Richard Castaldo was sitting definitely would have hit him.
*Bullet fragment(s) (10097) from Richard's body - self-explanatory.



Outside Evidence in the Area of Rachel Scott- Hi-Point Carbine:

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Casings from Hi-Point Carbine: The average ejection path of an empty casing was backwards two feet, ten inches (2’10”) and to the right five feet, four inches (5’4”) (The ejection port for the gun casing is on the right side of the Hi-Point Carbine)

Outside:

CBI 175/JCSO 2229 [WIN], CBI 177/JCSO 2231 [FC], CBI 179/JCSO 2233 [WIN], CBI 180/JCSO 2234 [WIN], CBI 181/JCSO 2235 [PERA], CBI 182/JCSO 2236 [PMC], CBI 183/JCSO 2237 [PERA] – By West Entrance Doors, Between Library Emergency Exit Door & West Entrance Doors, Area 2


Bullet Fragments from Hi-Point Carbine:

Outside:

CBI 63/JCSO 2112 – Center Stairway, South West of Chain Link Fence, Area 1  
CBI 166/JCSO 2220, CBI 185/JCSO 2240, CBI 197/JCSO 2252 – Between Library Emergency Exit Door & West Entrance Doors, Area 2
CBI 224/JCSO 2374 – Intersection @ Pierce Street/West Fair Street  
CBI 1045-B/JCSO 2356 – Around Trash Dumpsters, Area 5

CHS:

CBI 1048/JCSO 10283 –Rachel Scott’s Backpack


In my opinion:

*Seven (7) casings (2229, 2231, 2233-2237) fired by the West Entrance Doors were probably during Eric's shootout with Neil Gardner.
*Thirty-eight (38) casings fired by the chain link fence. Some of the shots from this area are probably what hit Rachel Scott.

*Bullet fragment(s) (2112) in the center stairway definitely did not hit Rachel.
*Bullet fragment(s) (2220) north of the sidewalk by the West Entrance Doors would not have hit Rachel.
*Two Bullet fragment(s) (2240 & 2252) near where Rachel was sitting definitely would have hit her.
*Bullet fragment (2374) in the intersection @ Pierce/Fair definitely did not hit Rachel.
*Bullet fragment (2356) in the area around the Trash Dumpsters would not have hit Rachel.
*Bullet Fragment(s) (10283) in Rachel's Backpack - self-explanatory.



Metallic Fragments with No Comparative Value

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Outside:

CBI 135/JCSO 2189, CBI 186/JCSO 2241, CBI 193/JCSO 2248, CBI 198/JCSO 2253, CBI 201/JCSO 2256, CBI 202/JCSO 2257, CBI 203/JCSO 2264 – Between Library Emergency Exit Door & West Entrance Doors, Area 2
CBI 1044-B-C/JCSO 2268 – Inside Door, Area 2
CBI 211/JCSO 2354 – Area 5
CBI 1045-A,D/JCSO 2356 – Around Trash Dumpsters, Area 5

Autopsy:

CBI 259/JCSO 8740 – Removed from Rachel Scott’s Wounds


*These metallic fragments could not 'definitively' be traced back to any firearm in this case.



In conclusion:

The TEC ejected casings from the right side & their average ejection path was forward three feet, four and a half inches (3’4 ½”) and to the right six feet, nine and a half inches (6’9½”).

The Carbine ejected casings from the right side & their average ejection path was backwards two feet, ten inches (2’10”) and to the right five feet, four inches (5’4”).  

Locate the casing(s) and trace the ejection path of that particular gun casing.

That will give you the best idea of where the gun was pointed at that time.

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PostSubject: Re: Rachel Scott controversy   Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:45 am

Honestly thought the controversy this thread would be about the video Mark Bodiford uploaded on his FB page yesterday, about the diary entry she wrote to him about wanting to kill herself in her driveway.
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PostSubject: Re: Rachel Scott controversy   Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:53 am

Juicy Jazzy wrote:
Honestly thought the controversy this thread would be about the video Mark Bodiford uploaded on his FB page yesterday, about the diary entry she wrote to him about wanting to kill herself in her driveway.

Damn. That's crazy.
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PostSubject: Re: Rachel Scott controversy   Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:37 pm

Juicy Jazzy wrote:
Honestly thought the controversy this thread would be about the video Mark Bodiford uploaded on his FB page yesterday, about the diary entry she wrote to him about wanting to kill herself in her driveway.

it's in the movie...
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PostSubject: Re: Rachel Scott controversy   Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:57 am

asloversgo wrote:
I interviewed Richard for this

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Can I ask you a question about the interview?

You state, "In Fuselier’s analysis, Harris likely never returned to the spot outside of the cafeteria to deliver the killing shot to Rachel Scott. Instead, Fusiler thinks that Harris immediately accompanied Klebold back into the building to continue the shooting rampage in the school’s hallways and the library."

What do you mean "accompanied back into the building"? Is this referring to when he went out and exchanged fire with the deputy?
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PostSubject: Re: Rachel Scott controversy   Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:07 pm

I didn't write the article, I interviewed Rich for it. The word "back" should be removed, I hadn't caught that.
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PostSubject: Re: Rachel Scott controversy   Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:51 am

lasttrain wrote:
asloversgo wrote:
I interviewed Richard for this

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Can I ask you a question about the interview?

You state, "In Fuselier’s analysis, Harris likely never returned to the spot outside of the cafeteria to deliver the killing shot to Rachel Scott. Instead, Fusiler thinks that Harris immediately accompanied Klebold back into the building to continue the shooting rampage in the school’s hallways and the library."

What do you mean "accompanied back into the building"? Is this referring to when he went out and exchanged fire with the deputy?

In the arly part of the massacre, they separated for a few moments when Klebold took a peek into CHS building, while Hartris was outside.

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In my opinion:

*Seven (7) casings (2229, 2231, 2233-2237) fired by the West Entrance Doors were probably during Eric's shootout with Neil Gardner.
*Thirty-eight (38) casings fired by the chain link fence. Some of the shots from this area are probably what hit Rachel Scott

Also I think its worth pointing out that very shortloy after firing the first shots and Rachel, Eric turned to his left and fired a series of long range shots at kids in the vicinity of the ball field. All of them missed, probably due to Eric not having enough skill/practice with long range shooting. Photo for reference:

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So some of those casings are probably from Eric's lon-range shots he fired in that direction.

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