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PostSubject: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:00 am

Yesterday, June 8, 2017, one of our forum members committed a murder/suicide in the state of Pennsylvania. I feel terrible about this because this person was apart of our community. Forum member @EGSandrew murdered 3 people and then killed himself. I am terribly sorry to anyone who was affected by this and if I had any kind of inkling that he was planning something like this, I would have most certainly reported him. He never caused any serious problems on the forum. He was pleasant enough towards me in private messaging and he interacted with quite a few of the members on the forum and seemed to get along with every one well enough. I'm shocked and saddened by this entire thing and I'm sorry that someone from my forum did something like this.

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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:23 am

I hate hearing about stuff like this. This dip shit gives us all a bad name. Surprising to see his posting was fairly benign too. Thoughts are with the families of those who were killed and injured.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:20 am

How do you guys now he was a member of this forum?
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:41 am

This is terrible, truly terrible. He seemed like a harmless enough guy. I remember talking to him a couple of times in threads on the main board.

Just read a couple of articles in the news about the shooting. Says he disliked his manager & that he was into cross dressing. One suggested he praised Eric and Dylan online - I can't recall him saying anything like that on here but perhaps he did on his YouTube account or something.

A couple of his more recent posts, which now, are quite disturbing to read (not that they were before this incident).

If you could ask Eric & Dylan one question thread...

"what would you guys have done differently if given the opportunity to do it all over again?"

Small questions thread...

"Does anyone know how many times Eric and Dylan actually got to practice shooting their guns besides the Rampart Range video?"


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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:44 am

Oh my goodness.

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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:51 am

Is this him?

https://youtu.be/aCfNrCOttNk

Looks like it was. Just watched a video of him from 2016 saying why he's stopped making his movies. He sounded pretty depressed making that.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:48 am

What part of Pennsylvania? I live in PA and this hit me very close to home, as you can imagine.

I'm very saddened by what he did and while I don't understand it, I wish the best for his friends and loved ones. I guess it doesn't make sense, but now I feel a deep sense of regret settling on my shoulders. I wish I could have imparted a kind word to him if it would have made any difference. This has me thinking now about other forum members who might be dealing with silent battles of their own. I of course don't condone what he did, I just don't want to send the message that there's no one out there who would be willing to talk to someone who is struggling with suicidal/homicidal ideation and mental illness.

I lost a good friend to suicide last year and while I may not know any of you personally, I hope anyone who is feeling "trapped" or out of their own control can at least use this forum to reach out to others who seek to understand the pathology behind suicide or share their experiences with suicidal thoughts. Hell, you can even PM me if you have something on your mind. It just struck me that some of you here might be feeling things that maybe most people don't feel across their daily lives.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:49 am

Looks like they haven't found his account on here yet.

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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:13 am

Such a sad situation. :'( Thoughts and prayers going out for all families/friends involved. I agree with dahlia_rose. I know none of you on a personal level, having just joined recently myself. But if anyone is having issues or just wants a kind ear to vent to I'm here. Sometimes its easier to talk to a complete stranger then it is with someone who actually knows you.

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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:40 am

@fetalstress wrote:
How do you guys now he was a member of this forum?  

I first posted about him being a member here. I listened to his suicide tapes that he started recording in December 2016, around the same time he became a member on here. In his tapes he says he was a member here and gave his username. Interestingly, they still have not deleted most of his accounts or any of the files he uploaded to Mediafire documenting everything, so he will now have a cult following, which is exactly what he wanted. If you check his Twitter (all the EGS accounts are just him talking to and retweeting himself) he was posting the hashtag #DEKHARBS, which stands for Dylan Eric Klebold Harris Andrew Rachel Blaze Shadows. Andrew Blaze and Rachel Shadows were his multiple personalities that he lived through as animations.

In his tapes he attributes everything from the guns he chose and starting a journal to his obsession with Columbine and even hoped he would meet Eric Harris after he killed himself. If you listen to his tapes you will find the connections to some of the things he posted here. His post about Eric and Dylan's gun training seemed to be a valid concern of his own training. He trained for at least 3 months because he wasn't too confident in handling the guns and said they hurt his hands the first time he fired them. He was disappointed in Columbine footage not being released and talked about how his own surveillance footage would most likely not be released unless it was just him walking around with the guns. Some very disturbing thoughts and more disturbing at how articulated he was while documenting everything for months.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:39 am

I’m guessing this is him?; http://www.pressconnects.com/story/news/local/pennsylvania/2017/06/08/dead-murder-suicide-pa-weis/102621742/

This makes me wonder if there are any other members from this site who’ve committed suicide, without it ever being brought to our attention. I mean, perhaps some inactive members no longer exist. It’s an eerie thought O_O

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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:56 pm

The NSA needs to step up its game affraid affraid affraid affraid affraid affraid affraid affraid affraid affraid affraid affraid affraid affraid affraid
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:51 pm

...And that's the part that JeffCO starts screaming.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:17 pm

http://www.yorkdispatch.com/story/news/local/pennsylvania/2017/06/08/dead-murder-suicide-pennsylvania-supermarket/102621250/
He blocked the entrances before he started shooting. Luckily the store was closed at the time, so there were only 3 deaths. As terrible as this was, if circumstances were different it could have been far worse.

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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:45 pm

@Jabba wrote:
@fetalstress wrote:
he will now have a cult following, which is exactly what he wanted.
I doubt Stair will gain much of a cult following. His massacre was fairly generic, with the exit blocking being the only real unique element, and with a very low number of casualties. In addition, most of the info on him is negative, like his obsession with children cartoons and his terrible artwork. He'll most likely end up as a laughingstock like Elliot Rodger, at least that's my prediction.

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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:54 pm

He already is. Look at the comments sections of his videos. Or this ED article: https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Randy_Robert_Stair

Also the shooter was weak and was only using shotguns, a dumb move for him, but a good thing overall since it reduced the fatalities to only 3 innocents.

Obviously there needs to be some policemen and counselors lurking sites like this as much as possible to provide resources for ppl
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:42 pm

It's hard to pinpoint a person on a forum as a threat though if they aren't posting anything extreme or even so, if they're a member but doesn't say much but is harmful in their real life.

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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:46 pm

This is actually mindblowing he literally replied to me a day ago in the John Savage thread.

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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:54 pm

Damn, he already has an Encyclopedia Dramatica page?
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:58 pm

@GreenGrayDay wrote:
Damn, he already has an Encyclopedia Dramatica page?
I mean, it's been a day

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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:01 pm

I haven't been to Encyclopedia dramatica in so long, nice to see it never lost its class.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:07 pm

Thanks but its been dying out ever since 2011

We still put out a lot of articles though me esp

Any of you who knew the guy PM me if you want me to extract some details from you, all anonymous dont worry
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:12 pm

I had talked to him a few times, he seemed like a nice guy. Had no idea he would ever do this.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:18 pm

Thats what most people who knew a lot of shooters would say

Obviously the interest in any crimes (such as being on this site) is a warning sign of the potential to be a danger, but not an instant red flag

From personal experience interviewing people who knew Jeff Weise and Adam Lanza, a common trait I found was that the shooters were described as relatively well behaved, polite, reserved and disciplined, but a little off.

Go through your memory and see if you could notice anything out of the ordinary. Obviously you have literally 0 responsibility at all for what he did. A lot of society is brain damaged and would stigmatize you hard for simply knowing him.

Where did you talk to him? Was it on this forum or on YT? Because from what I heard he was making suicide / murder threats for up to a few months on YT. He didnt seem out of the ordinary on this community, though.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:21 pm

It just makes me feel sick, I guess, to know I talked to someone who attempted to commit a mass murder. I haven't read any articles, but I assume that's what he was going for not just 3 people. I had talked to him a little bit here about Columbine in general. I wouldn't have considered him a friend, just acquaintance. Still eerie.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:22 pm

Really, it makes me really sick just to think about it. I knew his very well from this place. I never knew that he would actually do this type of thing to other people...
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:24 pm

I mean obviously it is a little bit off this whole ghost thing he created and believed was real even to the extent of claiming to have a crush on one of the ghosts he created. I didn't know that until just now reading another thread, but that would clarify as off in my books.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:36 pm

@hvernon wrote:
It just makes me feel sick, I guess, to know I talked to someone who attempted to commit a mass murder. I haven't read any articles, but I assume that's what he was going for not just 3 people. I had talked to him a little bit here about Columbine in general. I wouldn't have considered him a friend, just acquaintance. Still eerie.

Yeah back in the 2000s I had a lot of contacts, some that I still talk with in the 2010s. One of them just so happened to be a major criminal, way worse than what this guy ended up doing. When I found out I was his buddy for like a decade, I literally threw up and could barely eat for a month. He never acted out of the ordinary, aside from a few rare short outbursts of drama or whatever.

Don't blame yourself, blame the killer for what he did.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:41 pm

Just want to point out the truth

fucked up thing is, there's at least a 10% chance that one of the lurkers viewing this topic right now (or in the future) is probably the next goddamn shooter

If whoever is reading this needs help, you don't need to even see a shrink, just talk to someone you can trust and pour your heart out for some compassion and acceptance. Going postal is no way to solve your problems, it's just going to make society make fun of and tear you apart even more.

You guys probably arent' violent at all. I'm just predicting the fact that there's literally probably 2-3 future murderers lurking this site a little bit every month.

If you find someone who is violent or very out there.. Cut any ties you have with them and avoid them like the plague. Don't get involved in any way with walking red flags.

There's a lot of work to be done to build up the truth about the Stair guy, but his old (9000 subs) main youtube seemed pretty normal. His other one with all the cartoons was obviously bizarre. Apparently a lot of DA users were alarmed by him, which is saying something as sites like DA and Tumblr are very toxic at this point.

But yeah even if you know a criminal (which most people in the world are inevitably going to) doesn't mean you have any responsibility for their actions. Don't kick yourself over this at all.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:58 pm

This shocked me, I knew him from this forum pretty well. and suddenly, he's gone.
Is this how Eric and Dylan friends felt when both died? this weird feeling that when somebody was there, he's now gone from fury, and some gunshots.
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