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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:59 pm

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From personal experience interviewing people who knew Jeff Weise and Adam Lanza

Could you tell me a bit about what you learned about Lanza? I know it's somewhat off topic and I don't want to derail the thread by focusing on him so you could message me directly if you would prefer.

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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:02 pm

@sscc wrote:
@FIBAgent wrote:
From personal experience interviewing people who knew Jeff Weise and Adam Lanza

Could you tell me a bit about what you learned about Lanza? I know it's somewhat off topic and I don't want to derail the thread by focusing on him so you could message me directly if you would prefer.

I would also be interested in this.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:10 pm

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@FIBAgent wrote:
From personal experience interviewing people who knew Jeff Weise and Adam Lanza

Could you tell me a bit about what you learned about Lanza? I know it's somewhat off topic and I don't want to derail the thread by focusing on him so you could message me directly if you would prefer.

I would also be interested in this.
Yeah, I was thinking that it may be worth starting a thread in the Sandy Hook subforum if you're willing to do that, @FIBAgent. I would actually also be interested in hearing about Weise if you have the time. If you have credible information from people who knew the shooters, then I am sure that there are others who would also like to hear it.

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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:58 pm

Damn I didn't know he was well known I made a joke about the guy in a different thread, I'm sorry to hear about this, but it does make me think twice about who's here, gotta admit that.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:45 pm

Am I the only one who feels the need to download and preserve everything he uploaded before it's lost or the quality downgraded? I mean like how many other killers documented EVERYTHING they did and in how many cases was it ALL available and not censored?
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:49 pm

What a sad little queef. The fanboy vibe is strong with this one. Tries to produce similar types of content as E/D (shooting videos, videos discussing plans, goodbyes to parents; journals), carves female names into the sides of his shotguns, kisses them on camera. He oozes unwarranted self importance. Talks about how he wants it to be on surveillance camera so everyone can see it.

261 followers on twitter dropped the ball.

I apologize if this is viewed as out of line but I am livid and disgusted by this pathetic display. I have been amazed by the level of intelligent discourse that occurs here, and yet this pleb mars it.

My thoughts are with the families that have been affected. I almost don't even want to consider this kid anymore because it's giving him exactly the kind of attention that he wanted. I hope that all the ignorant fangirls never even notice the connection, so he doesn't get added to their shrines.

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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:05 am

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I almost don't even want to consider this kid anymore because it's giving him exactly the kind of attention that he wanted.
He'll most likely be remembered as a pathetic loser obsessed with a children s show.In my opinion being remembered as that is worse than not being remembered at all.

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I hope that all the ignorant fangirls never even notice the connection, so he doesn't get added to their shrines.
I doubt he'll get any fangirls. The attack itself was really generic, and with a lowkill count at that, he'll probably fade into obscurity. He'll probably be passed up for someone who gets more lasting media attention by the fangirls.

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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:36 am

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He'll most likely be remembered as a pathetic loser obsessed with a children s show.In my opinion being remembered as that is worse than not being remembered at all.

Touche, haha. I know this is no laughing matter but this statement did make me feel slightly less enraged.

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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:43 am

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Touche, haha. I know this is no laughing matter but this statement did make me feel slightly less enraged.
The murders this loser committed are no laughing matter, but the guy himself and his weird-ass obsession with kids cartoons should be. If we keep HIM a laughing matter, while respecting and remembering his victims, that denies him what he ultimately wanted to achieve.

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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:02 am

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@Sokushinbutsu wrote:

Touche, haha. I know this is no laughing matter but this statement did make me feel slightly less enraged.
The murders this loser committed are no laughing matter, but the guy himself and his weird-ass obsession with kids cartoons should be. If we keep HIM a laughing matter, while respecting and remembering his victims, that denies him what he ultimately wanted to achieve.

Easy day. Just watch his "final video". Beats every cringe compilation I've seen in recent history.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:36 am

Maybe they should have released the Basement Tapes. If Eric and Dylan sounded as pathetic as this fucker then it might have deterred copycats rather than encourage them...
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:07 am

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Easy day. Just watch his "final video". Beats every cringe compilation I've seen in recent history.


@Draw_It_White wrote:
Maybe they should have released the Basement Tapes. If Eric and Dylan sounded as pathetic as this fucker then it might have deterred copycats rather than encourage them...

You guys are on fire.

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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:11 am

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From personal experience interviewing people who knew Jeff Weise and Adam Lanza

Could you tell me a bit about what you learned about Lanza? I know it's somewhat off topic and I don't want to derail the thread by focusing on him so you could message me directly if you would prefer.

I'm not naming names, but I traded stories with a guy who knew Lanza and we compared our data and experience about the criminals. Most of what we discussed were the personalities of the killers we knew. Lanza, like most who investigated him by now would know, was collected, highly intelligent, weird, and a little off. The usual with most school shooters. Lanza expressed a few macabre talking points before, but nothing enough to make my contact want to report him or anything. For all anyone knows, I could be bullshitting or I could be telling the truth, so take what I'm saying with a grain of salt.

Most real criminals kind of try not to raise alarms, if someone was gonna rob a bank they wouldnt visit it and leave a note saying "Hey, I'm going to rob you guys at 8:30 PM tomorrow just fyi" you know
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:55 am

Some of the tweets were really obvious. He had a few strings of them together that were pro-Columbine.

This is really local to me. Less than an hour. Very little going on where he was, seems pretty sheltered which may have contributed to the odd target. Its a pretty hokey store chain.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:05 pm

Some people are blaming me and saying that I am partially responsible for what Andrew Blaze/Randy Stair did because I own this forum. One person, in particular, decided to message me and then block me on the Columbine Facebook page. Basically saying that the Columbine community and I enabled him and that if I would have looked at what he was doing online, I would have known what he was up to.

And like I said on Facebook, what he did on Twitter and YouTube has nothing to do with me. When it comes to the things these people talk about, I am responsible for what is posted on this forum and on the Facebook page. I do not go searching all over the internet to see what people do and say on other websites. As of today, 3,530 members have come and gone over the past 4 years. Anyone who thinks I would sit around spending all my times looking up each and every single person who joins here is just ridiculous to think that. Running this forum and the Facebook page take up enough of my time already. Twitter and YouTube are responsible for what they allowed him to continuously post and not take it down and report him. He never acted like that here because he knew I wouldn't have it.

This here is a screenshot of a conversation that happened between him and Strychnine back in May. This has been removed from the main board and into a private section of the forum. And the reason it was removed was because of what Strychnine had posted, not what EGSandrew posted.  

This was the extent of any problems that I had with him why he was here on the forum. And this post sounds no different than to anyone else who has shown dislike for other people on the forum. He never caused any problems at all. He never broke any forum rules. When he private messaged me asking for the suicide photo (I still have the PM and I will post that as well) he was nice and respectful towards me. He was respectful towards everyone else here on the forum as well. In fact, a few hours before he went and killed people he was responding to members on the forum with the same kind of attitude he's always had here.

Whether people believe me or not, I am sorry that a member from this forum went and did this. I feel terrible about it but there honestly was nothing in his behavior on this forum to make me think he was going to end up being a murderer.


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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:54 pm

Blaming people in a position of pseudo-authority on a forum that a killer utilized is the same sort of knee-jerk reaction we see Sue Klebold describing in her recent book about her experiences following Columbine. Blaming an admin who takes obvious and lengthy measures to protect your identities is blatantly ignorant.

The blame here lies with the perpetrator and anybody close to him who actually had knowledge of his plot. I'm looking primarily at the vast amount of twitter and youtube followers who saw this guy posting about his murder plot since MAY and did/said nothing.

Stop and think before you go casting stones. That admin had as much warning as you did. Probably much less.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:12 pm

And this here is a screenshot of his profile showing that he sent only 1 private message during his time on the forum and the second screenshot is of the private message that he sent me. And with that, the screenshot I posted earlier and all of his posts that are public, this is the extent of what I knew about him.




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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:15 pm

Seriously wouldn't worry about it, Jenn. I haven't been here long but from what I can see you do a good job of running a very ununsual forum with a focus on keeping things (mostly) sane. I don't think anyone can legitimately accuse you of being anything but mindful of this sort of thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:41 pm

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Seriously wouldn't worry about it, Jenn. I haven't been here long but from what I can see you do a good job of running a very ununsual forum with a focus on keeping things (mostly) sane. I don't think anyone can legitimately accuse you of being anything but mindful of this sort of thing.
Thanks. Normally it doesn't bother me when people send me hate messages but this time is a little different because other people were murdered. And it's hard for me to just not worry about it when this guy was here for 6 months talking to people and acting like he was just some normal guy interested in Columbine when in reality, he was planning his massacre the whole time.

So I wanted to put it out there everything I knew about him and what I posted in this thread is it. And it's the victims and their families that I'm upset about, not some idiot hater over on Facebook. I'm not trying to make this about me though so this is the last post I'm going to make about the subject. I've posted everything I have in regards to it and I've said all I needed to both here and on Facebook.

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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:52 pm

Jenn, please don't beat yourself up over this. You own this Forum, but that doesn't make you responsible for what any one person chooses to do. From what I have seen he never posted any crazy stuff on here, only his other forms of social media. I have no doubt that if you had been aware of his plans, or if you even suspected something was off that you would have reported him. The very idea of someone blaming you for this random strangers actions is beyond ridiculous.

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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:11 am

People are always looking for someone to blame. I feel bad for his parents.

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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:58 am

Jenn have you ever been contacted by the feds or police by this point?

Must feel pretty scary, but you should prepare for the inevitable when you're managing a forum about a very macabre subject. You aren't in the wrong. I presume the vast majority of this sites users are just curious parties and not legit threats at all.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:47 am

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Jenn have you ever been contacted by the feds or police by this point?

Must feel pretty scary, but you should prepare for the inevitable when you're managing a forum about a very macabre subject. You aren't in the wrong. I presume the vast majority of this sites users are just curious parties and not legit threats at all.
I don't mind you using my forum to gather information for your article on Andrew Blaze/Randy Stair over on "Encyclopedia Dramatica" but I don't appreciate you referring to me as a "disturbed fuck" on your website. I don't sit here on my website calling you a "disturbed fuck" for creating all these articles where you are calling mass murderers "heroes" and making jokes out of all these school shootings. I'd appreciate if you removed the derogatory comment about me from your website. Thank you.

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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:10 am

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Whether people believe me or not, I am sorry that a member from this forum went and did this. I feel terrible about it but there honestly was nothing in his behavior on this forum to make me think he was going to end up being a murderer.

You shouldn't HAVE to apologize for what that guy did. I really question the intelligence of the people who put the blame on you.
Just know that I and I'm sure, many of the people on this forum, know and understand that you have no connection to this.
Sheep have a big mouth on the internet or in the comfort of their own homes and like to bark loud about something they don't understand.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:04 am

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Jenn have you ever been contacted by the feds or police by this point?

Must feel pretty scary, but you should prepare for the inevitable when you're managing a forum about a very macabre subject. You aren't in the wrong. I presume the vast majority of this sites users are just curious parties and not legit threats at all.
I don't mind you using my forum to gather information for your article on Andrew Blaze/Randy Stair over on "Encyclopedia Dramatica" but I don't appreciate you referring to me as a "disturbed fuck" on your website. I don't sit here on my website calling you a "disturbed fuck" for creating all these articles where you are calling mass murderers "heroes" and making jokes out of all these school shootings. I'd appreciate if you removed the derogatory comment about me from your website. Thank you.

There have been 7 users to contribute to that article so far, many of which have likely scanned this forum for information. Just because of my contributions to ED doesn't mean I'm a bad guy. I changed the segment written about this forum and any slander regarding to you around. Like I said, there's quite a few people working on that article at the same time, with a few teenagers so you know what that's gonna mean.

The article wasn't originally written by me but was a project another ED user I'm familiar with decided to do several hours before I learned of the incident. I am indeed in the process of re-writing people's stuff to be more sophisticated, and expanding that article, but I sincerely apologize if you took offense as you seem cool.

The role of ED is usually to insult and make light whatever subject is being written about, usually to shock and offend the masses and provide humor to those with a darker sense of humor. However, many of us users want to use the site (since it's about free speech ultima) to create legit sources of information instead of just slander pieces on obscure random people.

Most of our articles on mass murderers are usually about insulting the shooters while trying to trigger the average joe at the same time but I usually want to provide as much authentic evidence and information for any article I find as possible so that info doesn't get lost to time.

However, wikipedia is usually a mediocre resource on a shooter as they often censor or redact a lot of information (Look at how the wiki article on Jeff Weise is now) regarding to their online trail, etc. ED has practically no censorship aside from legit illegal content.

Again, any slander against the community here should be getting cleaned up, sorry for any offense.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:34 am

YEAH. I watched his dATA DUMP. this IS HORRIBLE
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:39 am

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Maybe they should have released the Basement Tapes. If Eric and Dylan sounded as pathetic as this fucker then it might have deterred copycats rather than encourage them...
YOU KNOW WHAT? i JUST WATCHED THE CURRENT DATA DUMP AND THOUGHT THE SAME THING.
THIS INDIVIDUAL WAS ILL, AND THIS IS JUST A SAD AND HORRIBLE SITUATION.
IF PEOPLE SAW E&D LIKE THAT, I FIGURE LESS COPYCATS TOOL. OH THE JEFFCO CENSORSHIP.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:05 am

this guy was really lame, he made a huge manifesto for his boring char

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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:30 am

I am slowly trying to watch his videos, but I fear it will take some time. His awkwardness jumps out at you. I can only force myself to watch so much at a time. In my opinion he created a imaginary world and that's where he felt normal. Then he lost what little grip he had on reality.  The video of him practice shooting was almost funny. He couldn't hit the broad side of a barn as old sayings go. The guy had serious issues, no doubt about it.  Plus he seemed to be obsessed with Eric Harris and just Columbine in general. His videos play like awful parodies.
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PostSubject: Re: Forum member who committed murder/suicide.   Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:49 pm



The quality of everything he uploaded is insane.
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