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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:19 pm | |
| - Mr_Chagrin wrote:
- I don't know why they had purchased cut down weapons, they had no intention of needing to conceal them.
They sawed off the shotguns themselves. They carried them around at other times than NBK. |
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JayJay
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:23 pm | |
| - Z_Splatter wrote:
- I enjoy shooting handguns and shotguns. The thing to understand is most gun owners shutter when they see the videos of E & D shooting. The shotguns would have been extremely hard to shoot accurately but lucky for E & D you don't have to be very accurate with the way the cut off the barrel. And really I don't think that this was a big concern of theirs. The bombs were supposed to be the bigger weapons.
The shot of dylan shooting his tec 9 one handed makes me roll my eyes. Its the 'gangsta' and its not very effective.
I will say that they look to be using much better form in the cafeteria footage so maybe they got it out of their system before NBK. Mmm, I suppose you don't have to be accurate when you're just shooting randomly at people. And the bombs was the primary plan, yes. I wonder if they had much practice outside Rampage Range. They seem to have had that, if you say they hold their guns better in the cafeteria. _________________ "Is evil something you are? Or is it something you do? My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact, I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape." - American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis (1991)
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:34 am | |
| Does anyone know if it is documented anywhere as to what happened with the library books? Were they just moved to the new library? Specifically, there were quite a number of books that were splattered with blood, particularly by Eric's suicide. Is there any written as to what was done with them, etc? Just a small question that crossed my mind today... |
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Z_Splatter
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:51 am | |
| Good question! I never thought about that. I don't know the answer but would love to hear if anyone has found anything. | |
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:55 am | |
| I would guess that the books that weren't damaged by blood would have been recycled into another library or the new Columbine library. The books that were splattered with blood would maybe have been in evidence vaults, but I don't know if I recall seeing any of that in the official reports. I can only imagine what some obsessed collector would pay for one of the books behind Eric's head that got covered in blood! |
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:13 am | |
| I was actually asked this some months ago through anonymous message elsewhere: "Okay, obviously some of Eric's blood HAD to have splattered on the books. And obviously thats all gone now. But do you ever wonder- what if some of the books that were further away had microscopic shit on them & didn't get thrown away and theres fucking books in the world with Eric's blood on it?!"
And this was my reply back then, using little more than common sense because I don't think it was ever said what happened to the books:
Yeah, I agree that there is no scenario possible in which his blood/brains didn’t make it onto the books somehow. It’s obvious that they threw away all of those books visibly affected by this. The boys killed themselves in what seems to be a corner of the library, as far as I can see on the diagram, where there were fewer bookcases and more tables/chairs. That makes the chance of books with Eric’s blood on them ‘surviving’ the purge a lot slimmer. JeffCo’s timeline also suggests that Eric did something with the bookshelves, possibly even going as far as to shoot at them, so there was probably a lot of damage done to the books outside of the obvious. The clean-up would’ve had to be very meticulous. I don’t think they would’ve wanted to take any chances — it is likelier that they threw more than half of the library into the trash, even if the risk of an object being contaminated by human matter was very small.
If any of the books from that day somehow made it through the clean-up, I think it’d be most likely that they were put in the new library at Columbine again. However, I suspect that many of them would’ve been removed since due to ordinary things like outdated information or outdated publication etc. The chances of there still being books in the world with Eric’s blood on them are very, very small. (Unless you get excited about the possibility of recycling, Anon.. I’m sorry to burst your bubble.)
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tragedy79
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:44 pm | |
| Imagine the look on someones face if they opened a book and a little piece of Eric's brain happened to be overlooked in the big clean-up... _________________ Ignorance is bliss!-Dylan Klebold
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JayJay
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:18 am | |
| We have Eric's day planner from 98-99 and Dylan's day planner from 97-98. Do we have Dylan's day planner from 98-99? I was looking through the 936-pages of Writings from the 11k and cannot find it. _________________ "Is evil something you are? Or is it something you do? My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact, I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape." - American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis (1991)
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tragedy79
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:28 am | |
| - JayJay wrote:
- We have Eric's day planner from 98-99 and Dylan's day planner from 97-98. Do we have Dylan's day planner from 98-99? I was looking through the 936-pages of Writings from the 11k and cannot find it.
I don't think so. too bad, right? _________________ Ignorance is bliss!-Dylan Klebold
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JayJay
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:39 am | |
| - tragedy79 wrote:
- JayJay wrote:
- We have Eric's day planner from 98-99 and Dylan's day planner from 97-98. Do we have Dylan's day planner from 98-99? I was looking through the 936-pages of Writings from the 11k and cannot find it.
I don't think so. too bad, right? Yes, that's too bad. Maybe there was nothing relating to the planning in it? Only lyrics to songs? Longings for True love? But that seems surprising to me. And even more surprising they would not include Eric's day planner for 97-98. _________________ "Is evil something you are? Or is it something you do? My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact, I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape." - American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis (1991)
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:34 am | |
| Didn't Dylan use Eric's planner to write down NBK-related things in 98-99? Might just be he didn't really use the planner much outside of what it was meant for in the first place or something, although it is a little peculiar they'd include the one from a previous year.. Is this one of those things where JeffCo suffered from selective 'hearing' again? Wouldn't put it past them to have missed a few scraps of seemingly unimportant things that might speak volumes about something important.. |
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:36 pm | |
| - thedragonrampant wrote:
- Didn't Dylan use Eric's planner to write down NBK-related things in 98-99? Might just be he didn't really use the planner much outside of what it was meant for in the first place or something, although it is a little peculiar they'd include the one from a previous year.. Is this one of those things where JeffCo suffered from selective 'hearing' again? Wouldn't put it past them to have missed a few scraps of seemingly unimportant things that might speak volumes about something important..
Dylan did use Eric's planner to jot down NBK notes. He made one of his most interesting notes, imo, in Eric's planner, when he wrote a list of things to get/do for NBK and then wrote: "Death (Afraid?)" right next to the list. I think this offers good insight into Dylan's personality. He's compartmentalizing tasks, including the most onerous and urgent task of all: facing personal mortality, as though he's just jotting down the usual casual notes someone would normally write in their day-planner. Also that he's using Eric's day-planner reinforces the idea that the two boys were as committed to erasing (losing) their individual personalities through one another as they were in following through with NBK. |
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deelightful
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:58 am | |
| Does anyone know how much Dylan grew between 8th grade and senior year? His height has always fascinated me as I've met very few people taller than 6 feet. Maybe it's more common among Americans, but where I'm from, it's really rare. | |
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maninthebox
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Sun Feb 02, 2014 10:25 am | |
| I can't remember, are there videos/stills of them on the 20/4 in their trenchcoats? | |
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Sun Feb 02, 2014 10:45 am | |
| - maninthebox wrote:
- I can't remember, are there videos/stills of them on the 20/4 in their trenchcoats?
I honestly don't think so. If there are, they haven't been released to the public, to my knowledge. | |
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maninthebox
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:09 pm | |
| - tfsa47090 wrote:
- maninthebox wrote:
- I can't remember, are there videos/stills of them on the 20/4 in their trenchcoats?
I honestly don't think so. If there are, they haven't been released to the public, to my knowledge. Thanks. I wonder if Dylan held his arms like this too lol [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]" /> | |
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Draw_It_White
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:35 am | |
| What is the post mortem drying artifact found on the balls of Dylan? | |
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:49 am | |
| Is there any discernable reason to believe Jeffco is hiding entries in their journals? It just seems odd, the amount of time between entries and the one-track mindset it all seemed to have. |
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maninthebox
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:57 pm | |
| Who's this person? [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]I've tried finding his/her name but couldn't | |
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JayJay
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:27 pm | |
| - maninthebox wrote:
- Who's this person? [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
I've tried finding his/her name but couldn't Difficult to find out who it is because the original poster deleted all his or her comments in the thread. Also, comment on top by another poster is about a girl who was reportedly spared by Eric and Dylan because ''her twin sister was always nice to the shooters''. Apparently both guys came up to her and one said ''she's cool'' (the way Dylan did with John Savage). Can't think of who it might be right now. It's a second-hand story told on an anonymous website so, who knows if it's true. _________________ "Is evil something you are? Or is it something you do? My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact, I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape." - American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis (1991)
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maninthebox
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:38 pm | |
| - JayJay wrote:
- maninthebox wrote:
- Who's this person? [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
I've tried finding his/her name but couldn't Difficult to find out who it is because the original poster deleted all his or her comments in the thread. I was hoping someone might remember who it was and that it was someone quite close to E&D - Quote :
- Also, comment on top by another poster is about a girl who was reportedly spared by Eric and Dylan because ''her twin sister was always nice to the shooters''. Apparently both guys came up to her and one said ''she's cool'' (the way Dylan did with John Savage). Can't think of who it might be right now. It's a second-hand story told on an anonymous website so, who knows if it's true.
Seems like it's the kind of story that would have been well-known, I don't remember reading about it in other places either | |
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:41 pm | |
| - Radioactive_Clothing wrote:
- What is the post mortem drying artifact found on the balls of Dylan?
Are you referring to Dylan's autopsy report? |
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queenfarooq
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:54 pm | |
| - ThoughtBox wrote:
- Radioactive_Clothing wrote:
- What is the post mortem drying artifact found on the balls of Dylan?
Are you referring to Dylan's autopsy report? I assumed the question was referring to Dylan's autopsy also. As a body becomes dehydrated after death you can end up with discolored areas on the body (kind of like a bruise) which is due to this drying out process. Usually artifact could refer to something man made or maybe even blood etc, but i think in the case of Dylan this was perhaps not the case. I think 'artifact' in this instance refers to a natural postmortem occurrence or drying of the tissue rather than any other kind of substance been found in that area of his body. If anyone is really interested: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - Quote :
- It is not uncommon to see a dark red to black appearance to the lips and the tip of the tongue protruding through the clinched incisors. This discoloration is due to a drying of these structures. In males you often see the skin of the scrotum taking on a dark red color, which is also due to drying artifact.
pg(12 - 13) Postmortem drying artifact was also found on Eric's right upper back and on Danny R's body. | |
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:13 pm | |
| Thanks queenfarooq you are, as always, a fount of knowledge. I had always wondered about this question but never wanted to ask. Lol. At least radioactive_clothing had the balls to ask. (Very bad pun intended). |
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:14 pm | |
| Thanks queenfarooq you are, as always, a fount of knowledge. I had always wondered about this question but never wanted to ask. Lol. At least radioactive_clothing had the balls to ask. (Very bad pun intended). |
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queenfarooq
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:21 pm | |
| - ThoughtBox wrote:
- Thanks queenfarooq you are, as always, a fount of knowledge. I had always wondered about this question but never wanted to ask. Lol. At least radioactive_clothing had the balls to ask. (Very bad pun intended).
Haha, that's OK and thank you. Usually if one person is wondering about something there'll be other people also wondering the same thing, so someone may as well ask. | |
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Draw_It_White
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:55 am | |
| Yes, that's what I was referring to. Thank you. | |
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Juicy Jazzy
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:03 pm | |
| Does anyone know where I could find the so called 'autopsy diagrams' that Randy Brown supposedly gave Calence (the guy who runs dylanklebold.com)?
Calence had them on his website at some point but I cant find them there anymore. | |
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:57 pm | |
| - Juicy Jazzy wrote:
- Does anyone know where I could find the so called 'autopsy diagrams' that Randy Brown supposedly gave Calence (the guy who runs dylanklebold.com)?
Calence had them on his website at some point but I cant find them there anymore. Hm. I vaguely recall seeing those. Calence sold dylanklebold.com a couple of months ago and he hadn't update anything on his site in quite a while. |
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Juicy Jazzy
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:38 am | |
| - InFiNiNcEX5 wrote:
- Hm. I vaguely recall seeing those. Calence sold dylanklebold.com a couple of months ago and he hadn't update anything on his site in quite a while.
Do you have a way I can contact him? He may be able to provide me with said documents. | |
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TheFragile
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:46 am | |
| - gustopoet wrote:
- thedragonrampant wrote:
- Didn't Dylan use Eric's planner to write down NBK-related things in 98-99? Might just be he didn't really use the planner much outside of what it was meant for in the first place or something, although it is a little peculiar they'd include the one from a previous year.. Is this one of those things where JeffCo suffered from selective 'hearing' again? Wouldn't put it past them to have missed a few scraps of seemingly unimportant things that might speak volumes about something important..
Dylan did use Eric's planner to jot down NBK notes. He made one of his most interesting notes, imo, in Eric's planner, when he wrote a list of things to get/do for NBK and then wrote: "Death (Afraid?)" right next to the list.
I think this offers good insight into Dylan's personality. He's compartmentalizing tasks, including the most onerous and urgent task of all: facing personal mortality, as though he's just jotting down the usual casual notes someone would normally write in their day-planner. Also that he's using Eric's day-planner reinforces the idea that the two boys were as committed to erasing (losing) their individual personalities through one another as they were in following through with NBK.
Is it really Dylan who wrote Death (Afraid)? _________________ "Night descends, could I have been a better person? If I could only do it all again."
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:31 am | |
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:50 am | |
| Yes, most definitely, Dylan's handwriting. I'd love to do handwriting anaylsis on the two, actually. Such distinctly different styles. I think I could already take a stab at their signatures without being a pro. heh. |
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:31 pm | |
| - Juicy Jazzy wrote:
- InFiNiNcEX5 wrote:
- Hm. I vaguely recall seeing those. Calence sold dylanklebold.com a couple of months ago and he hadn't update anything on his site in quite a while.
Do you have a way I can contact him? He may be able to provide me with said documents. PM me. |
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JayJay
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:36 pm | |
| - Juicy Jazzy wrote:
- Does anyone know where I could find the so called 'autopsy diagrams' that Randy Brown supposedly gave Calence (the guy who runs dylanklebold.com)?
Calence had them on his website at some point but I cant find them there anymore. What are ''autopsy diagrams''? Are these drawings of the autopsy bodies with their wounds? _________________ "Is evil something you are? Or is it something you do? My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact, I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape." - American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis (1991)
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Juicy Jazzy
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:49 am | |
| - JayJay wrote:
- What are ''autopsy diagrams''? Are these drawings of the autopsy bodies with their wounds?
Exactly. Somehow Randy Brown came upon the diagrams of about four victims (Rachel and Dave Sanders are the only two I can remember for sure), and they were sent to Calence. I read ages ago on an older Columbine forum that the diagram for Rachel specifically had evidence to suggest that she was shot through the head at a distance, and not point blank as per her family regularly claim. I want to see for myself these diagrams. Hopefully there are still out there somewhere! | |
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JayJay
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Sun Mar 02, 2014 5:22 pm | |
| Is someone obsessed with blowing things up with explosives the same as a pyromaniac?
Do you think Eric and Dylan were pyromaniacs because they were obsessed with bombs, fireworks?
In psychological classifications, do you know if both people obsessed with explosives and those with lightning fires are classified the same? (For those who know anything about psychological pathologies). _________________ "Is evil something you are? Or is it something you do? My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact, I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape." - American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis (1991)
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carrie12
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:48 am | |
| Has anybody heard about a call to the polica made by Tom Klebold? I read about that on tumblr, but maybe it was just a mistake and they meant Wayne Harris... | |
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:07 am | |
| - carrie12 wrote:
- Has anybody heard about a call to the polica made by Tom Klebold? I read about that on tumblr, but maybe it was just a mistake and they meant Wayne Harris...
There are clips of the call from Wayne Harris on Youtube. I never heard one from Tom Klebold though. |
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tragedy79
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:22 am | |
| - Stephen wrote:
- carrie12 wrote:
- Has anybody heard about a call to the polica made by Tom Klebold? I read about that on tumblr, but maybe it was just a mistake and they meant Wayne Harris...
There are clips of the call from Wayne Harris on Youtube. I never heard one from Tom Klebold though. But he did call the police. But I can't remember if it was somewhere on the internet. But there is a transcript/description somewhere _________________ Ignorance is bliss!-Dylan Klebold
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carrie12
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:42 pm | |
| Does anybody have a link to either the audio or the transcript? | |
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Draw_It_White
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:11 pm | |
| Was this when he called the police after being evacuated from his house? I think he called trying to get Sue's suitcase she left at the house and they refused him it. | |
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queenfarooq
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:46 pm | |
| - carrie12 wrote:
- Does anybody have a link to either the audio or the transcript?
Bits from Bowling For Columbine: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]Wayne Harris calls around the 2:35ish mark. The subtitles in the video here miss out the odd bit of dialogue. Transcript: W.H: "Er, my son is Eric Harris, and I'm afraid that he might be involved in the shooting at Columbine high school." 911: "Involved how?" W.H: "Er, he's a member of what they're calling the Trenchcoat Mafia." 911: "Have you spoken with your son today Mr. Harris?" W.H: "No I haven't! Have they picked up anybody yet or....?" 911: "They're still looking for suspects. Your son is with who what gang?" 911: "Well, they're calling them the Trenchcoat Mafia I just heard that term on TV." This call here lasts for just under 30 seconds. If you look at the 911 call log it has Mr Harris calling in at 13:04:58 - 13:05:52 pg(15925) That most commonly played clip doesn't match up to the duration of the entire call. You can listen to the full 911 recordings online here: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] However i don't believe they include the Wayne Harris call. I'm not sure if the 911 Recordings you can purchase from JeffCo would include this call or if they would only include what we can download / listen to already online. I always feel so awful listening to that call and especially bad for the man who calls in before Mr Harris (on this clip) asking about his daughter. The 911 call is briefly mentioned here which some may find interesting: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]This is a pretty interesting article here regarding the Wayne Harris call and when Tom Klebold later called in: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]From this article: - Quote :
- A short time later on the tapes, Tom Klebold calls in. The issue is not serious, but the way he is treated is telling.
"This is Tom Klebold," he says. "They just kicked us out of our house a little while ago. And my wife left her suitcase there."
The dispatcher checks in with another official and is dismissive of Klebold in a call with another officer.
"His wife left a suitcase at his house, and since he (the officer) forced him out of the house, he wants the suitcase NOW," the dispatcher says.
"OK, well, he can't have it," the official replies.
"I just figured I'll have you call him back," the dispatcher says. "He's not a very friendly guy."
Klebold, however, sounded calm and levelheaded throughout the call. | |
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carrie12
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:25 am | |
| Thanks for the info, everybody! I just checked some of the 911 calls on [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and Tom Klebold's call is included in Tape 21, if anybody is interested to hear it (it's around 5:20). | |
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jettfyre80
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:03 am | |
| Why was nothing done after Dylan slapped his manager? He wasn't fired for that and she never made a police report, from what I heard. _________________ "I'm in love with my sadness"
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queenfarooq
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:17 am | |
| - jettfyre80 wrote:
- Why was nothing done after Dylan slapped his manager? He wasn't fired for that and she never made a police report, from what I heard.
It wasn't his manager, it was a co-worker (i assume a supervisor) who claimed that this happened. She worked at the store between September 96 - March 99. M.H "described Dylan as a difficult person who was often rude. She said that he hit her once because she had counseled him on an infraction at work." pg(10150) She describes E/D as "good friends" and appears to know quite a bit about them. M.H only seems to have been interviewed over two pages pg(10150 - 1) and the information she provided is recorded in a numbered list. She does not elaborate on the hitting incident any further. If indeed he did "hit" his co-worker it is quite shocking that he would not have been at the very least reprimanded for it. However Blackjack employees seemed to be aware of many other questionable incidents that E/D were involved in at the store and neither got fired for it. It doesn't sound to me like Blackjack was that much of a serious working environment. This incident could have happened when B.Kirgis was the manager: "Kirgis admitted to this reporting supervisor that he is an alcoholic, and at times he drank at work, and left Harris in charge while he left the store for any reason." pg(10170) It was also reported Kirgis allowed E/D to play Doom at work. pg(10154) Also " Johnson stated that he had seen cocaine and marijuana at the Pizza store, while he had been working there. He stated that Kirgis seemed to be the person who brought the drugs into the store. He also said Kirgis told him that Harris and Klebold had set off a pipe bomb at the store." pg(10156) If the hitting incident occurred around this time it's not really surprising nothing was done about it or that it wasn't reported. Perhaps M.H didn't feel anything would be done if she did report the incident. There could be many other reasons why she didn't report the incident. Likewise the reason Dylan did not get fired could have possibly been that nobody else knew. Not that there is any excuse for this behavior, but i wonder what she meant by "hit," i only say that as i have seen others claim that Dylan slapped her across the face in the middle of the shop which just seems like an exaggerated account of what this girl actually said. It's unacceptable either way but i do wonder what the nature of the "hit" was. (I had a brief glace at the Master Index and M.H does not seem to have been interviewed elsewhere in the documents). There is another female interviewed in the "Tips" section with the same surname pg(13230) who says her bother and sister worked at Blackjack and they have both been interviewed. At a guess i would say this is M.H's sister, however she does not comment on the hitting and there seems to be no interview for the brother recorded in the Master Index. You'd think the brother may have had something to say if his sister had been "hit" by another guy at work. If anyone does find his interview anywhere it would be interesting to see if he mentions it, i only checked on the Master Index and there was no male with the same family surname, but of course he could have had a different surname. | |
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jettfyre80
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Sun Mar 16, 2014 5:29 am | |
| Oh wow! Thanks queen! _________________ "I'm in love with my sadness"
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Marco1211
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:51 pm | |
| Not a question, but didn't know where else to put this. Petition to release the Basement Tapes: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] | |
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queenfarooq
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:55 pm | |
| - Marco1211 wrote:
- Not a question, but didn't know where else to put this. Petition to release the Basement Tapes: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]I think this petition has been posted a couple of times on this site in various places. | |
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Marco1211
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| Subject: Re: The small questions thread Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:05 pm | |
| - queenfarooq wrote:
- Marco1211 wrote:
- Not a question, but didn't know where else to put this. Petition to release the Basement Tapes: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
I think this petition has been posted a couple of times on this site in various places.
Oops, my mistake. | |
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