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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:45 am

I am newer at researching the Columbine tragedy, what would be the first book I buy in my journey to gain knowledge of this event? The true knowledge, I have seen in my short time here that anything by Cullen seems to be incorrect. What would you all, people who have seen this inside and out, suggest a newbie to read to gain some insight?

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:33 pm

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I am newer at researching the Columbine tragedy, what would be the first book I buy in my journey to gain knowledge of this event? The true knowledge, I have seen in my short time here that anything by Cullen seems to be incorrect. What would you all, people who have seen this inside and out, suggest a newbie to read to gain some insight?

The books by Jeff Kass and Brooks Brown would be where I would start. Sue's book is pretty good for insight on Dylan and personal knowledge.

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:43 pm

Sue Klebold's book (a Mother's Reckoning) is pretty good, but (understandably) it's mainly about Dylan, and how the events unfolded from the Klebold family's perspective. It has an audio-book version, I'd highly recommend giving that one a shot instead of the text one, if you get the chance. Sue herself narrates it.

Unfortunately I can't recommend an Eric-centric one to balance it out, we can only dream one will see the light of day... but probably won't.

Brooks has a book out too, although he himself has a fairly icky rep, people do praise his book. Very good in painting an accurate picture of Columbine's atmosphere prior to the shootings. I think this one is available for free on the internet, too (altough everything is if you know where to look, I guess Rolling Eyes )

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:43 pm

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I am newer at researching the Columbine tragedy, what would be the first book I buy in my journey to gain knowledge of this event? The true knowledge, I have seen in my short time here that anything by Cullen seems to be incorrect. What would you all, people who have seen this inside and out, suggest a newbie to read to gain some insight?

The books by Jeff Kass and Brooks Brown would be where I would start.  Sue's book is pretty good for insight on Dylan and personal knowledge.  

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Thanks, and yes, I would love any that you have in pdf. If you don't mind to send them to me =)

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:43 pm

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Sue Klebold's book (a Mother's Reckoning) is pretty good, but (understandably) it's mainly about Dylan, and how the events unfolded from the Klebold family's perspective. It has an audio-book version, I'd highly recommend giving that one a shot instead of the text one, if you get the chance. Sue herself narrates it.

Unfortunately I can't recommend an Eric-centric one to balance it out, we can only dream one will see the light of day... but probably won't.

Brooks has a book out too, although he himself has a fairly icky rep, people do praise his book. Very good in painting an accurate picture of Columbine's atmosphere prior to the shootings. I think this one is available for free on the internet, too (altough everything is if you know where to look, I guess Rolling Eyes )

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:56 am

I'm reading through the very first parts of the 11k which seem to focus on the library shootings. I'm confused. Did all the surviving students escape after the initial carnage in the library when Dylan and Eric left momentarily, or did some surviving students stay put? If some survivors stayed, did Dylan and Eric kill anyone else when they returned to the library? Does anyone know exactly when the two boys committed suicide?

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:03 am

Most of the students ran out of the north library emergency exit when Eric/Dylan left the library after 11:36am.

The only students that were still in there that were not dead were Lisa Kreutz and Patrick Ireland. Some of the teachers were still hiding in the kitchen/RNN room as well after Eric/Dylan left the first time.

When Eric/Dylan returned to the library they did not kill anyone else. In fact, they never killed anyone else after 11:36am.

There is some evidence that shows Eric could have killed himself around 12:08pm. Nobody knows for sure when Dylan committed suicide.

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:41 pm

Thank you.

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:23 pm

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:02 am

Is there someplace I can buy a printout of the 11k document? I know I could print it, but my SO would kill me. I think printing a doc that long would go through unknown quantities of ink and reams of paper.

I can't stand scrolling through the document. It isn't indexed, and I'm having trouble navigating the whole thing.

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:31 am

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Is there someplace I can buy a printout of the 11k document? I know I could print it, but my SO would kill me. I think printing a doc that long would go through unknown quantities of ink and reams of paper.

I can't stand scrolling through the document. It isn't indexed, and I'm having trouble navigating the whole thing.
I don't know about buying physical copies of the 11k but you can look at this post and the one below it for some help with navigating the documents.
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:10 am

Thanks for the link. This is some sad stuff. I know that Eric and Dylan were wrong, but I wish someone could have helped them. They were hurting.

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:22 am

I've been wondering, did Dylan and Eric have a nicotine addiction, or did they just smoke to look cool?
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:33 am

Olive wrote:
I've been wondering, did Dylan and Eric have a nicotine addiction, or did they just smoke to look cool?
Eric to look cool, he hates smoking and infact doesn't do it right on video. Dylan however legitimately smokes.

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:17 pm

Hard to say, do we even know how long either of them smoked cigarettes?
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:01 pm

Unsure how long either but I do know they go on smoke breaks at the smoking pit during school, can't remember where I read that Dylan and Brooks would be there and I think at some point that was when they occasionally see Rachel too as she used to smoke.
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:29 pm

Which kind of accent did Eric have? I heard it was a Kansas accent.
If yes, how long did they live there?
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Fri Mar 10, 2017 4:39 pm

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Which kind of accent did Eric have? I heard it was a Kansas accent.
If yes, how long did they live there?

He did not live there long. I would say Eric had a midwestern accent. He also lived in MI and they have a slightly similar accent there.

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:33 am

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:36 am

I hate to say this because it sounds disrespectful but why was the kill count so low?
Two shotguns, one rifle, one handgun, and several bombs.
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:06 am

Many reasons.

As for the guns:

One reason is Dylan shortchanged himself of over half his ammunition [~80 rounds]. He also fired 19 shots from one location inside the North Hallway which probably didn't hit much.

Eric wasted a lot of shots [~45 of them] outside.

Guns Jamming, Eric/Dylan's decisions not to kill others, etc.


As for the bombs:

Dylan left 8/9 pipe bombs in his car. No pipe bombs were used in the Library. The car bombs/cafeteria bombs did not explode as intended. The 'crickets" were quite small and certainly did not kill anyone.
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:01 pm

I already made a thread, but I figure that this is a better place to ask.

Who were the three students arrested during the shooting? What were their names and backgrounds?
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:55 pm

The 3 students that were arrested were:

Matt Nalty (Page 007543), Matt Akard (Page 009821), and Jim Brunetti (Page 007434).


Splatter punks interview from the Sally show. The video it came from is called "An American Tragedy - The Littleton Massacre".

The splatter punks were wearing dark pants, white t-shirts and black waist length jackets at the time of their arrests. One of them was wearing black suspenders. In the interview they had an assortment of clothing items on nothing like what they were wearing the day of the shooting. This is all on the above mentioned tape. The splatter punks are: Matt Nalty, Jim Brunetti and Matt Ackert. Here is the interview:


Splatter Punks interview/Sally Jesse Raphael

Sally: And the people ask who else is responsible besides Dylan and Eric. Minutes after the shooting the police along with the swat team thought they had an answer didn't they, And what was the answer? The answer might have been Matt Nalte, Jim and Matt Ackert. They were detained, searched and questioned. Tell me about it. Tell me what happened.

Matt N: Well we started going down to, er we heard on the radio and

Sally: You were in a car?

Matt N: Yea we were driving around and decided to go down there and see what was going on. Kinda got us a bit curious. And we got down there and we started walking around a path that was going around the lake. There were people you know with baby strollers and kids you know roller blading and what not and so we thought we were fine. And we take about 10 steps off the path to go talk to a cop at the top of the hill to find out if we can get any more information and all of a sudden we hear sirens and there's 3 cop cars behind us with their guns pointed at us telling us to put our hands behind out head. We start doing everything they tell us to do then and get down on our knees and

Sally: What's going through your head?

Matt N: Scary. Pure fear.

Sally: Alright so you do everything they tell you to do.

Matt N: As we were getting down on our knees we see a golf cart coming up from the other side of the hill with about 7 swat team members all of 'em carrying M-16s and assault shot guns and they come up and they have all those pointed at our heads and they're still telling us what to do. They laid us flat down on the ground and started searching us and emptied our pockets and scattered it all over the field.

Sally: And you don't know what this is all about. Put yourself in that position. You don't know what this is all about. Now its retrospect. It was your own clothing that made them think you might be involved. Why?

Jim: inaudible.

Sally: Because you looked different?

Jim: Yea and they hand cuffed us.

Sally: They handcuffed you? For how long?

Jim: Yea they were dragging us around by the chains on our necks and stuff like that. They detained us for about an hour and questioned us on like if we knew the trench coat mafia and stuff like that. I mean we had never heard of them before that day.

Sally: What an experience. Now lets talk about the aftermath of that experience. You've had death threats?

Matt A: I have.

Jim: So have I.

Matt A: People seem to think we had something to do with it just because they saw us on TV. Um

Sally: In other words its just like in the newspaper. If somebody accuses you of something and then they retract it, the retractions on page 31 but the headline was on page 1.

Jim: Then it must be true what the press says and the press screwed up a lot with ours.

Sally: How did the press screw up?

Jim: um

Matt A: They said we were friends with these people that we hung out a lot that we talked over the Internet with them.

Sally: Were you friends? Did you talk.. Were you friends?

Matt A: No

Sally: Did you know them?

Matt A: No.

Sally: Did you know how they dressed?

All three in unison: No.

Matt A: We had no clue who they were. I mean we would not know anything about them.

Sally: So what's it like to have the nation watching you?

Matt A: Ah kinda scared. Kinda scary. I mean everywhere I go I'm like looking around cause I've..

Sally: Do you think that in anyway you're like Eric and Dylan?

Matt and Jim: No

Sally: Is that things that... Do you think about those things?

Matt A and Jim: No

Matt N: We don't go out and think about shooting people we don't condone violence at all. Its not at all a way of life.

Sally: Let me talk to Jim. Jim when we were interviewing you, you said some really interesting things to our producer. You have been pushed around and made fun of.

Jim: Oh yea. All throughout high school, um, even before then, because I was into this kind of stuff. I went through my gothic phase and I was a punk before that and went back to punk. And, um. I got pushed around in school by a lot of like, I don't know if they were athletic or not but they weren't like real nice kids. They would just like start pushing you around, push you into pop machines and try to throw you in trash cans. Like a big group of them.

Matt A: Jim and I went to school together and the only way we could keep from getting beat up or getting in a lot of trouble or anything was to stick together.

Sally: I have to ask this question. Why do you dress this way?

Matt A: Um, Its comfortable and the fact that..

Sally: Now wait. Its comfortable to have a chain around your neck and your hair out to here like that..

Matt A: These chains actually weigh less than a pound and they probably weigh a few ounces.

Sally: Now I don't take that you dress this way cause its comfortable.

Matt A: Actually the jeans you wear those pants you wear. Its like its those pants when you get off work and you go home and you want to change into something comfortable you know that you don't have to worry about anything That's what we want to wear. Something that we don't have to like worry about.

Jim: That and its also about expression.

Sally: Ah Ha! I'm not buying the its comfortable. I'm buying its a quote by you (Jim) Its a free country. We can dress how we want. I'm buying that. Why are you here today? What do you want to say?

Matt N: I want to say first off that we had no part in this at all.

Sally: Somebody lost their job over this right?

Matt N: I did

Sally: Say what your going to say. I didn't mean to interrupt.

Matt N: We had no part in this at all. We want society to know just because we look different, we act different, we think a bit different than what normal society does. Not all of us are like what Eric and Dylan are. We don't want to go out and do what they did. We don't believe anything like that.

Sally: We'll be right back


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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:07 pm

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:39 am

I know this is an odd question, but how do we know that Eric felt no pain when he killed himself? I realize he basically blew the top of his head off....but he didn't feel a thing?? Not even for 1/10 of second? I admit that I know nothing about the medical aspect of shooting yourself they way he did. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] maybe you could help with this question?
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:16 am

Before his brain could even process it, it was already on the ceiling.

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:01 am

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Before his brain could even process it, it was already on the ceiling.

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:06 pm

Question regarding Kelly's jaw. It is described as being too small but on pictures it looks too big? What exactly was wrong with it?
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:58 pm

Anyone know Eric and Dylan's SAT/ACT scores?
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:57 pm

Their scores if they had any were never released.

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