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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:29 pm

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Anyone know Eric and Dylan's SAT/ACT scores?
This post talks about Dylan's college prospects.
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queenfarooq says that his SAT scores were 560 in verbal and 650 in math, according to Kass' book.
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:37 pm

Nothing about Eric's SAT scores but here is the information for Dylan's from Kass' Book:

Dylan filled out the boilerplate sections of the application by listing his father on the line for parent, and said no other relative had ever attended the school.

He intended to enroll in the fall in the College of Engineering and Mines to major in computer engineering.

His 2.74 G.P.A. ranked him 229 in a class of 463 in the middle of his senior year.

He had taken the SAT in June 1998, scoring 560 in verbal, and 650 in math for a total of 1210.

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:21 pm

I have read Sue Klebold's book, I've read statements here, and there, in various articles and posts about Dylan from his closer circle of friends; from those descriptions, Dylan was a wonderful person!  However, when I read that Dylan harassed Adam Kyler for about a month in the Fall of '98,  I was shocked. Poor Adam had severe learning disabilities. Why would anyone target a truly innocent person like that?
    I wish more people outside of Dylan's circle would talk about their impressions of him. He grew up in that area. There must some people outside his inner circle who developed a stronger impression of him other than "Eric's little shadow"*.

*which is sad, considering their actual heights and height differences.


    Tldr, What do people who weren't close to Dylan say about his personality growing up?


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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:41 pm

Okay. One, or two, or more questions.

Do you think that Eric's mom purposefully undermined his signing with the Marines by asking Sgt. Gonzalez about Eric's Luvox therapy during the home recruitment interview? She asked about a delayed or deferred enrollment. Was she worried that he'd snap under the pressures of Marine boot camp? Maybe she should have just let it play out instead of intervening.

I know this has probably been discussed into the ground, but I can't find a thread for it.

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:50 pm

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Okay. One, or two, or more questions.

Do you think that Eric's mom purposefully undermined his signing with the Marines by asking Sgt. Gonzalez about Eric's Luvox therapy during the home recruitment interview? She asked about a delayed or deferred enrollment. Was she worried that he'd snap under the pressures of Marine boot camp? Maybe she should have just let it play out instead of intervening.

I know this has probably been discussed into the ground, but I can't find a thread for it.

She probably knew that it would have made him ineligible. Maybe she was worried that the Marines would find out later, and Eric would be in trouble.
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:06 pm

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Okay. One, or two, or more questions.

Do you think that Eric's mom purposefully undermined his signing with the Marines by asking Sgt. Gonzalez about Eric's Luvox therapy during the home recruitment interview? She asked about a delayed or deferred enrollment. Was she worried that he'd snap under the pressures of Marine boot camp? Maybe she should have just let it play out instead of intervening.

I know this has probably been discussed into the ground, but I can't find a thread for it.

She probably knew that it would have made him ineligible. Maybe she was worried that the Marines would find out later, and Eric would be in trouble.

They might have discharged him, but I seriously doubt it would have been a dishonorable discharge because of the Luvox issue. The military has changed a lot with the changes of society. Eric's life wouldn't have been ruined by getting "in trouble" with the Marines.

I think she knew Eric was a ticking time bomb and didn't want to put a gun in his hands. That's why I think she brought up the topic with the recruiter.

Little did she know, he already had guns. I don't think the Harris family knew about the arsenal.


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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:01 pm

Who are the two witnesses here?



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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:08 pm



These two witnesses are: Christopher Wisher (left) & Jacob Apodaca (right)

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:20 pm

I meant the two at the time in the video at 3 minutes and 58 seconds.
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:55 pm

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Okay, that would be:

Sara Houy (left)  and Crystal Woodman (right)

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:56 pm

Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:56 pm

You are welcome, anytime.

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:49 am

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   I have read Sue Klebold's book, I've read statements here, and there, in various articles and posts about Dylan from his closer circle of friends; from those descriptions, Dylan was a wonderful person!  However, when I read that Dylan harassed Adam Kyler for about a month in the Fall of '98,  I was shocked. Poor Adam had severe learning disabilities. Why would anyone target a truly innocent person like that?
    I wish more people outside of Dylan's circle would talk about their impressions of him. He grew up in that area. There must some people outside his inner circle who developed a stronger impression of him other than "Eric's little shadow"*.

*which is sad, considering their actual heights and height differences.


    Tldr, What do people who weren't close to Dylan say about his personality growing up?

If you read the 11k there are people who didn't really know Dylan who talked about him. Saying that he walked down the halls with a scowl on his face all the time. That he never talked, he slept in class or made rude comments to the teachers, and some saying he was not a very nice person. I do think he could have been a nice person if he liked you, but I think his depression was worn on his face. I do not think he was a nice guy to the average person.

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:58 am

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   I have read Sue Klebold's book, I've read statements here, and there, in various articles and posts about Dylan from his closer circle of friends; from those descriptions, Dylan was a wonderful person!  However, when I read that Dylan harassed Adam Kyler for about a month in the Fall of '98,  I was shocked. Poor Adam had severe learning disabilities. Why would anyone target a truly innocent person like that?
    I wish more people outside of Dylan's circle would talk about their impressions of him. He grew up in that area. There must some people outside his inner circle who developed a stronger impression of him other than "Eric's little shadow"*.

*which is sad, considering their actual heights and height differences.


    Tldr, What do people who weren't close to Dylan say about his personality growing up?

If you read the 11k there are people who didn't really know Dylan who talked about him.  Saying that he walked down the halls with a scowl on his face all the time.  That he never talked, he slept in class or made rude comments to the teachers, and some saying he was not a very nice person.  I do think he could have been a nice person if he liked you, but I think his depression was worn on his face.  I do not think he was a nice guy to the average person.  

Thanks, Lizpuff. I guess that is the general consensus of his junior and senior years. Was he like that in middle school and his first two years of high school?


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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:24 am

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   I have read Sue Klebold's book, I've read statements here, and there, in various articles and posts about Dylan from his closer circle of friends; from those descriptions, Dylan was a wonderful person!  However, when I read that Dylan harassed Adam Kyler for about a month in the Fall of '98,  I was shocked. Poor Adam had severe learning disabilities. Why would anyone target a truly innocent person like that?
    I wish more people outside of Dylan's circle would talk about their impressions of him. He grew up in that area. There must some people outside his inner circle who developed a stronger impression of him other than "Eric's little shadow"*.

*which is sad, considering their actual heights and height differences.


    Tldr, What do people who weren't close to Dylan say about his personality growing up?

If you read the 11k there are people who didn't really know Dylan who talked about him.  Saying that he walked down the halls with a scowl on his face all the time.  That he never talked, he slept in class or made rude comments to the teachers, and some saying he was not a very nice person.  I do think he could have been a nice person if he liked you, but I think his depression was worn on his face.  I do not think he was a nice guy to the average person.  

Thanks, Lizpuff. I guess that is the general consensus of his junior and senior years. Was he like that in middle school and his first two years of high school?


My general consensus is no. I think he was always quiet and more of a nerdy smart kid but I do not think that before highschool he was so angry.

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:10 pm

Did Eric's parents know that he was capable of something like this??? I ask because I know that his father kept a journal about things Eric was doing wrong and wrote that he doesn't think his son was at fault like his mother did and everyone else. Maybe he was in denial? Also, his father called into 911 saying he thought his son was involved with the shooting before he found out for sure that he was.
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:14 pm

Was there kids under the tables in the commons when Dylan and Eric came in there?! (when we see them come in on the video tape)
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:16 pm

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   I have read Sue Klebold's book, I've read statements here, and there, in various articles and posts about Dylan from his closer circle of friends; from those descriptions, Dylan was a wonderful person!  However, when I read that Dylan harassed Adam Kyler for about a month in the Fall of '98,  I was shocked. Poor Adam had severe learning disabilities. Why would anyone target a truly innocent person like that?
    I wish more people outside of Dylan's circle would talk about their impressions of him. He grew up in that area. There must some people outside his inner circle who developed a stronger impression of him other than "Eric's little shadow"*.

*which is sad, considering their actual heights and height differences.


    Tldr, What do people who weren't close to Dylan say about his personality growing up?

If you read the 11k there are people who didn't really know Dylan who talked about him.  Saying that he walked down the halls with a scowl on his face all the time.  That he never talked, he slept in class or made rude comments to the teachers, and some saying he was not a very nice person.  I do think he could have been a nice person if he liked you, but I think his depression was worn on his face.  I do not think he was a nice guy to the average person.  

Thanks, Lizpuff. I guess that is the general consensus of his junior and senior years. Was he like that in middle school and his first two years of high school?


My general consensus is no.  I think he was always quiet and more of a nerdy smart kid but I do not think that before highschool he was so angry.  
apparently dylan also liked to give out cookies during class so he would be more likeable Smile that made me lol Very Happy "He slipped chocolate chip cookies to the girl who sat next to him.
Jeniffer Harmon, who took creative writing with the two boys who later would shoot up her school, says the shy Dylan regularly passed Chips Ahoy - the chewy kind with big chocolate chunks - as a way to make friends in class." Shit, how do you go from giving out cookies to killing people?!
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:35 pm

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Was there kids under the tables in the commons when Dylan and Eric came in there?! (when we see them come in on the video tape)

Yes, there were still a few people under tables around 11:44am when Eric/Dylan first came down to the commons/cafeteria.

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:15 pm

Did they get shot at or they weren't seen??
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:18 pm

They didn't get shot.

They ran out after the fire started in the cafeteria/commons.

I don't know if Eric/Dylan saw them.

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:40 pm

What is the reason that Dylan and Eric didn't shoot everyone that was in the library??? I never understood that... Question Exclamation Did they not see some of them or they just decided not to shoot them... if so, why??
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:58 am

Because they wanted to be percieved as godlike by deciding who lives and who dies so they let some people live and killed others.  At least that's what has been speculated. They also didn't seem to kill students they've had conversations with that day.
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:57 am

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To be honest, I think Wayne Harris was to busy just trying to get Eric on the right track to really take note of the problems his son was having. To me it's almost like he just wanted Eric to get over everything and to just live a successful life so he tried to just push Eric through all the trouble he was getting into.

I want to know how Eric's parents reacted when Eric check off on his psychological evaluation the he was having homicidal thoughts. It's just strange that no one seemed to take that seriously.

According to Mrs Harris when they met with Mr and Mrs Mauser, the therapist that they sent Eric to, told them that everything was fine. It was a routine answer, or something to that effect. They assumed that they had nothing to worry about. How true that is, who knows expect them but all we have is their word.

As for trying to push him through everything, I think that he was worried about him. He kept a journal detailing stuff right? In my opinion, he was a military man, he was never going to have a soft and fuzzy "group hug" attitude to things. I just think that he dealt with things the only way that he knew how.

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Sat Apr 01, 2017 1:19 am

Does anyone know Eric's address when he lived in Oscoda?  I live really close to Oscoda, and it's a very small town so I was shocked to hear he lived there briefly. I hate the idea of his house being a shrine, but it's just creepy to think how close I am to it, ya know?
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Sat Apr 01, 2017 1:27 am

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''You just can't do anything that's aberrant or unlikely without someone finding out about it,'' said Mark Mayerstein, a retired lieutenant colonel whose family shared a duplex with the Harrises at Wurtsmith Air Force Base in Oscoda, Mich. ''We never even heard the kids cry.''

Mr. Mayerstein's son, Lane, and a third boy played war games with Eric, who lived in Oscoda for two and a half years. ''The three of us would be on a mission,'' Lane said. ''We'd be out to destroy this invisible armada.''

At Cedar Lake Elementary School in Oscoda, the Harrises stood out because both Wayne, a pilot who trained people to fly the KC-135 refueling plane, and Kathy, a homemaker, attended every school conference. Bonnie Leach, Eric's fifth-grade teacher there, said that she could sense which students would grow up to chase trouble, and that ''Eric wasn't one of them.''

The Wurtsmith base closed in 1991, sending the Harrises to Plattsburgh, N.Y.,


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In 1989, Wayne Harris, still flying KC-135 refueling tankers, was transferred to the Wurtsmith Air Force base in Oscoda, Mich., a small city near the shore of Lake Huron. Instead of living on base, he bought a two-story, Cape Cod-style home in a comfortable subdivision next to Cedar Lake.

"I just remember they wanted the children to have a normal, off-base relationship in a normal community," says the Rev. Bill Stone, a pastor who lived across the street. "They were just great neighbors - friendly, outgoing, caring."

Wayne Harris, a Scoutmaster and baseball coach, got elected to the nine-member Lake Shores Property Owners Association. Kathy Harris was a stay-at-home mom. The family lived on a wooded lot on a street where deer often graze in the flower gardens and kids splash around at the neighborhood beach club. After work, Wayne Harris shot baskets with his two boys. Eric Harris attended third and fourth grades at Cedar Lake Elementary School. But their stay ended when Wurtsmith was shut down at the end of 1991 and Wayne Harris was transferred to the air base in Plattsburgh, N.Y.


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When Eric was eight and in third grade, Wayne was transferred and his family moved to Wurtsmith Air Force Base in Oscoda, Michigan. It was 1989.
Oscoda is located on an arc of land on Michigan’s northeastern side and fronts Lake Huron. The township population back then was about twelve thousand, and Eric remembered it as a “very, very small town.” The family lived in what Eric called “a largely wooded area” and, “of the three close neighbors I had, two of them had children my age. Every day we would play in the woods or at our houses. We would make forts in the woods or make them out of snow, we would ride around on our bikes, or just explore the woods. It was probably the most fun I ever had in my childhood,” he wrote in a class paper. After living in the township, the family moved onto the base, according to Eric. He described it as “old” and having homes like “small condos.” He also had lots of neighbors. But he was sad about leaving his friends, “especially my best friend” in Oscoda, he wrote. “Even though we 85 were still only a 10 minute drive away, we only saw each other maybe three times after that. We lived on the Air Force Base for about half a year. I made friends there, some were good, but none were as good as my friends at my old house.” The new friends had adventures, too. “We still lived close to a large wooded area so we would travel around in there almost every day,” Eric wrote. “We were all the same age too, so that made it even more fun.” At Cedar Lake Elementary School, Eric’s parents attended every school conference, according to the New York Times. Eric’s fifth grade teacher did not foresee him as a troublemaker, and a neighbor told the paper, “We never even heard the kids cry.” The Harrises left Oscoda after a couple years. “It was real hard leaving my friends again,” Eric recalled. “And that time I had to say goodbye to my first best friend for good.”

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:53 pm

What was the name of the book that Eric quoted a couple of times? From The Stars, or something like that?

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:56 pm

Return from the Stars by Stanislaw Lem

026636-026642 Return from the Stars by Eric 4/27/98 Period 5 Mr. Webb
026752 Return from the Stars by Eric 4/27/98 Period 5 Mr. Webb

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:02 pm

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Return from the Stars by Stanislaw Lem

026636-026642 Return from the Stars by Eric 4/27/98 Period 5 Mr. Webb
026752 Return from the Stars by Eric 4/27/98 Period 5 Mr. Webb

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:14 pm

What kind of ''combat'' boots were they wearing?
I'm not sure what people in America buy but the only thing I can think of is Dr Martens
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