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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:15 pm

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I read somewhere that the diversionbomb was planted near Ken Caryl Middle School. Do you think this was because they hated that school as well?

Its likely they did hate that school as well. But the bomb placement was just to divert police away from Columbine.

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:22 pm

How do you know? It could've been both.

Eric talking about his friends from Michigan and Dylan saying he was alone until he met Zach who later ditched him kinda implies it is a possibility.

Maybe they wanted people to also know they didn't care much for their past, aka middle school.
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:43 pm

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How do you know? It could've been both.

Eric talking about his friends from Michigan and Dylan saying he was alone until he met Zach who later ditched him kinda implies it is a possibility.

Maybe they wanted people to also know they didn't care much for their past, aka middle school.

Yes it could have been both. But I still think that it was just a place to divert attention away from what would be happening at Columbine.

Now IF they had somehow managed to place a bomb IN the middle school. Then that would be a different story. If the bomb was actually at Ken Caryl, then yeah you could say that they likely had issues with it as well.

Also to my knowledge no where is the middle school talked about in regards to their plans for NBK. Someone please correct me if I am wrong! Smile

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:49 pm

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How do you know? It could've been both.

Eric talking about his friends from Michigan and Dylan saying he was alone until he met Zach who later ditched him kinda implies it is a possibility.

Maybe they wanted people to also know they didn't care much for their past, aka middle school.

Yes it could have been both. But I still think that it was just a place to divert attention away from what would be happening at Columbine.

Now IF they had somehow managed to place a bomb IN the middle school. Then that would be a different story. If the bomb was actually at Ken Caryl, then yeah you could say that they likely had issues with it as well.

Also to my knowledge no where is the middle school talked about in regards to their plans for NBK. Someone please correct me if I am wrong! Smile

I tend to agree with you there. I think it was to divert attention away, and the fact that it was near the middle school didn't make much of a difference.
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:02 pm

"According to Dylan, with the exception of his parents, his extended family treated him like the runt of the litter.

Dylan: "You made me what I am. You added to the rage."

Dylan says that as far back as the Foothills Day Care center he hated the "stuck-up" kids who he felt hated him. "Being shy didn't help. I'm going to kill you all. You've been giving us shit for years."

He was angry at kids even back in Day Care according to the transcript.

I never gave the diversion bomb or its location any thought. I always thought they did it to start a fire or something but not really injure anyone too much, since they wanted the biggest damage to be to CHS.
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:20 pm

I don't know if I would say that the diversion bomb was even placed that close to the middle school. I think the school would be close to the tip of the upward facing arrow indicating the scale, on the north side of Ken Caryl Avenue.

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:24 am

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:40 am

Do we have any way of knowing what format the depositions will be in when they are released? I hear most people say they will just be transcripts.
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:53 am

[quote="Littlelo"]Do we have any way of knowing what format the depositions will be in when they are released? I hear most people say they will just be transcripts. [/quote

I'm not sure, from a quick search I see a lot of times the videos are released as well as transcripts.

I think most of the families (the Klebolds and Dawn- Laurens mom) want everything released. There was a quote from her saying she was frustrated they weren't released right away because she had so much to say but couldn't talk about it.
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:59 am

I don't care how they are released, be it transcripts, video, audio, interpretive dance. Hell I'll take anything. Haha

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:12 am

I would be SO happy to have videos versus just transcripts. I think it would be similar to TBT; having the words just isn't the same as seeing body language, reactions, expressions, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:19 am

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I would be SO happy to have videos versus just transcripts. I think it would be similar to TBT; having the words just isn't the same as seeing body language, reactions, expressions, etc.

Agreed, just a few more years to wait.

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:39 pm

In the notes to Kristi Epling in german class Eric writes "hey, stay away from those Frostys (redacted…), they might explode some day by no fault of mine! and you could get hurt"

What is frostys?
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:06 pm

Maybe Wendy's frosty's? I can't think of what else it would be..
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:50 pm

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In the notes to Kristi Epling in german class Eric writes "hey, stay away from those Frostys (redacted…), they might explode some day by no fault of mine! and you could get hurt"

What is frostys?

Dry ice?
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:12 pm

What I am thinking is that Kristi stored some of the material used for making bombs or actual bombs.

Water and propane can make frosty explosions.


Also there is this quote from Eric in the basement tapes: The napalm better not freeze at that certain person’s house

later talking about chris pizza house (why say a certain person if you later say the name? probably not the same house)

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Kristi hid the german class notes and she lied about what was on them and that she threw them away. In the 11k it is written that she was gonna take a polygraphtest may 28 but I cant find the results on that.

The notes where written late november 98, She dated Eric in January 99 and the quote from the basementtapes are from march 18th 99.

After mentioning the frostys in the german class notes Eric says "Hey, your smart, do something cool when you grow up." Totally out of context.
"God knows I dont want to be an angel".

I just feel like this implies that he is not gonna grow up and that he does not care that what he is going to do is immoral. I just feel like Kristi must've known something even if the frostything might be something completely different.

I wanna know how the polygraph went, if anyone has any info on that or more info regarding Epling please share <3
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:54 pm

That is amazing, I never caught this... I'm interested in knowing about the polygraph too. Nate had one too I think?

You're probably right, I never delved that much into Kristi.
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:01 pm

I don't want to detract from the Kristi discussion but I have a quick question about Radioactive Clothing

-did I miss something. At the end why is Tex passed out on the couch?
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:18 pm

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I'm interested in knowing about the polygraph too. Nate had one too I think?
Yep, and I think Nate showed some deception. I know that he decided to confess some of the knowledge that he had previously withheld about pipe bombs and explosives (unrelated to 4/20).

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] That really is very interesting. Thank you for pointing it out.

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:31 am

I have a cousin that lives in Colorado who actually worked a part-time job in the cafeteria of Columbine just a few years ago. This got me thinking, has any of the students currently attending Columbine share what it looks like inside now? Like a vlog or a something? Idk i'm just interested.
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:30 am

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I have a cousin that lives in Colorado who actually worked a part-time job in the cafeteria of Columbine just a few years ago. This got me thinking, has any of the students currently attending Columbine share what it looks like inside now? Like a vlog or a something? Idk i'm just interested.

I haven't seen anything from current students but on Everlasting Contrast there are photos from someones blog and a write up of visiting the school during a presentation on the massacre. They went to the theatre, they said the cafeteria is brightly colored and sunlit, the commons are all encased in windows. It was an official visit and presentation, no sneaking in pretending to be a student! LOL.
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:32 pm

I saw someone mentioning that Sue said Dylan scared people just by sitting near them. In her book she said the exact opposite of that, the only time she mentioned anything close to that was how he looked in his junior year ID photo. She said it made him look really unapproachable and she didn't like it. Did I miss something?
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:34 am

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I saw someone mentioning that Sue said Dylan scared people just by sitting near them. In her book she said the exact opposite of that, the only time she mentioned anything close to that was how he looked in his junior year ID photo. She said it made him look really unapproachable and she didn't like it. Did I miss something?

There was the one mcdonalds incident but that more seemed like Dylan was scared of others and what they thought of him. Sue thought it was due to his long black coat.

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:35 am

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I don't want to detract from the Kristi discussion but I have a quick question about Radioactive Clothing

-did I miss something. At the end why is Tex passed out on the couch?

It isn't well established but Tex was hit by some of the clothing in the basement.

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:11 pm

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What I am thinking is that Kristi stored some of the material used for making bombs or actual bombs.

Water and propane can make frosty explosions.


Also there is this quote from Eric in the basement tapes: The napalm better not freeze at that certain person’s house

later talking about chris pizza house (why say a certain person if you later say the name? probably not the same house)

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Kristi hid the german class notes and she lied about what was on them and that she threw them away. In the 11k it is written that she was gonna take a polygraphtest may 28 but I cant find the results on that.

The notes where written late november 98, She dated Eric in January 99 and the quote from the basementtapes are from march 18th 99.

After mentioning the frostys in the german class notes Eric says "Hey, your smart, do something cool when you grow up." Totally out of context.
"God knows I dont want to be an angel".

I just feel like this implies that he is not gonna grow up and that he does not care that what he is going to do is immoral. I just feel like Kristi must've known something even if the frostything might be something completely different.

I wanna know how the polygraph went, if anyone has any info on that or more info regarding Epling please share <3


I personally don't believe Kristi knew about NBK. She had a younger brother inside the school at the time who, according to the 11k, happened to be in the science room with Dave Sanders. I doubt she would have allowed him to be in the school that day had she known.

Whether she knew about or was involved in any other aspects, I would have to do more research. It would be great if we could see her polygraph results.
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:16 pm

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I don't want to detract from the Kristi discussion but I have a quick question about Radioactive Clothing

-did I miss something. At the end why is Tex passed out on the couch?

It isn't well established but Tex was hit by some of the clothing in the basement.  

Thank you Liz! For both answers.

I forgot about the McDonalds incident in the book. She said something like 'if you wear a long black coat, you're going to get attention"

I always felt like (arm chair psychologist time) Dylan had a bit of paranoia and delusions.
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:24 pm

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I don't want to detract from the Kristi discussion but I have a quick question about Radioactive Clothing

-did I miss something. At the end why is Tex passed out on the couch?

It isn't well established but Tex was hit by some of the clothing in the basement.  

Thank you Liz! For both answers.

I forgot about the McDonalds incident in the book. She said something like 'if you wear a long black coat, you're going to get attention"

I always felt like (arm chair psychologist time) Dylan had a bit of paranoia and delusions.

The paranoia for sure.

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:53 pm

Do you guys feel like "Reb" and "VoDKa" were alter-egos for E&D? Or do you think they thought of themselves as those personas and slowly became them as things deteriorated?

Personally I don't think they used them as alternate identities to disassociate; I think they believed they were one in the same.
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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:56 pm

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Do you guys feel like "Reb" and "VoDKa" were kinds of alter-egos for E&D? Or do you think they thought of themselves as those personas and slowly became them as things deteriorated?

Personally I don't think they used them as alternate identities to disassociate; I think they believed they were one in the same.


I think REB was what Eric wished he could be. In my opinion he used the REB mask to shield himself.

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PostSubject: Re: The small questions thread   Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:58 pm

One thing I found interesting is that Eric integrated "reb" into his everyday life. He even told people at his work to call him that. He signed papers with an R etc. It seemed to be who he wanted to be.

Dylan didn't seem to appreciate the nickname and did not take to it as Eric did. Dylan for the most part called Eric "Eric" not Reb. So I don't think he was so keen on having that name.

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