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InsaneIntruder wrote:
Interesting...
I see an AR15 there and another gun that looks similar to the AR. Maybe he had 2 and converted 1 to shoot a bigger caliber? Matthew Murray did that....

AR style rifles come in many different calibers. .223/556 being the most common. There's also .223 wylde, .308, 7.62, 300 blackout, 6.5 Grendel (awesome!), ect. ect. ect. AR is one of the most modified platforms on the market. I think the news said AK but in reality it's a AR platform in 7.62. The media/politicians have absolutely no knowledge of firearms, ammunition, firearm platforms and accessories.

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Is it confirmed that he had an arsenal of 42 weapons?

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DooMRebel wrote:
Is it confirmed that he had an arsenal of 42 weapons?

Yes, between the ones at the hotel room and the ones found later at his house, there were around 40/45.
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How much money must this asshole have spent on his arsenal?
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Draw_It_White wrote:
How much money must this asshole have spent on his arsenal?

Apparently he was very well off, so I'm sure he wasn't worried about it.
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My money is on this women never existing and the story being a hoax.


I am skeptical of this woman as well, yet there have been witness reports confirming it. So who knows if it really happened or not. I'm waiting for the police to release something about it.

Witness testimony is notorious for being unreliable.

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If they're really going for "no notoriety" after acts of mass violence then someone should tell the media that they can't make exceptions, because Paddock is all over the news. Lots of recent mass killers have basically been ignored but he's getting coverage day after day because he killed more people than anyone else and this seems like a dangerous precedent to set. If the media was purposely trying to set up a situation where shooters seeking notoriety went all out for the highest number of kills, they couldn't have done a better job.

Except they've never followed the idea of "no notoriety". Not a single time since it has become an issue has the press actually tried to implement such a system.

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I'm late to the party again.

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So we get a picture of the old timer's splattered head within two days, yet we still don't get one of Adam's? No fair, man.
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How much money must this asshole have spent on his arsenal?

Not an Asshole and around $30,000 on weapons alone if not all of them were rifles.

Was he not? Ah, alright.
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Tell me about it...I had 51 notifications yesterday.
Yeah, I come on here after a few hours and I have more than a dozen notifications and all of them are just messages on this post.
62 for me.

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So it looks like he left a note and recorded himself carrying out the attack. With that said, it seems pretty crazy that a motive cannot be determined yet.Many conclusions are being drawn out but the lines don't seem to fully connect yet so to speak. Doesn't seem logical to film the attack without imbuing your ideology within the footage; then again massacring 58 people isn't something a logical person would do. Only time will tell!
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Maybe his motive was fame

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So it looks like he left a note and recorded himself carrying out the attack. With that said, it seems pretty crazy that a motive cannot be determined yet.Many conclusions are being drawn out but the lines don't seem to fully connect yet so to speak. Doesn't seem logical to film the attack without imbuing your ideology within the footage; then again massacring 58 people isn't something a logical person would do. Only time will tell!
Most often when people say "we have no idea why he did this!" you just have to peel back and take a look at their history. I imagine that when more information comes out about his life history, a clearer picture will emerge.

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So it looks like he left a note and recorded himself carrying out the attack. With that said, it seems pretty crazy that a motive cannot be determined yet.Many conclusions are being drawn out but the lines don't seem to fully connect yet so to speak. Doesn't seem logical to film the attack without imbuing your ideology within the footage; then again massacring 58 people isn't something a logical person would do. Only time will tell!
Most often when people say "we have no idea why he did this!" you just have to peel back and take a look at their history. I imagine that when more information comes out about his life history, a clearer picture will emerge.
That kind of people to this day don't know the motive of Eric and Dylan

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Yea, I feel clear on Eric and Dylan's motives. I don't think he's going to their infamy though.

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Has anyone found any leaked info on the note found in the hotel room?
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If I were him I would have filled it out. They seemed very accommodating to his needs.

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This whole case is confusing as hell. scratch
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I really don't have much to say about this. It's a tragedy for sure. I know this sounds bad, but at this point, I was more shocked to find out that Tom Petty died than I was to hear about yet another lunatic going on a shooting. It's because of things like this that I haven't gone to a concert since 2008 and haven't gone to a movie theater since 2010. I also try to avoid public places as much as possible.

I used to work in a casino hotel (not in Vegas though, but in New Jersey) and I always wondered why the hell the place didn't have better security. No metal detectors, no security at any of the entrances of the casino or the hotel. And they're all like that. That's why it was so easy for him to lug all those guns in there. It's ridiculous that places like that have no security whatsoever.

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PostSubject: Re: Mandalay Bay Hotel Shooting   Mandalay Bay Hotel Shooting - Page 4 Icon_minitimeWed Oct 04, 2017 10:29 pm

Stephen Paddock's dad was a career criminal in Vegas, maybe he wanted infamy like his dad had?
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Did Paddock really try to blow up jet fuel tanks or was it a coincidence that one of the broken windows lined up with a view onto the fuel tanks?

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“A machine gun is not going to blow up a tank of fuel,” Boyd said. “Jet fuel itself sitting there in a big wet pile is very hard to ignite. You have to be a very amateur terrorist to think anything like that.”

(The idea of being a "very amateur terrorist" like this reminds me of Eric Harris.)

This guy did have ammonium nitrate in his possession, right? Did he initially hope to create an explosion and fail in his preparation for some reason?

(Disclaimer: I am not encouraging anyone to discuss what would have been necessary for the fuel tanks or the ammonium nitrate to cause an explosion because I don't want you to get banned from the forum and I'm not sure what's safe to post.)
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Yes, he definitely left a note.
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I don't get why they are assuming he had help.. What would he have needed help with? He didn't need help purchasing guns he had the money and no background. He didn't need help lugging them up to his room..

If he had help the tanerite would have been placed properly I would think and there'd be actual evidence of help. Is it just me or are all reporters amateurs?

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I don't get why they are assuming he had help..  What would he have needed help with?  He didn't need help purchasing guns he had the money and no background.  He didn't need help lugging them up to his room..

If he had help the tanerite would have been placed properly I would think and there'd be actual evidence of help.  Is it just me or are all reporters amateurs?


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And it was not a suicide note. I wonder what it was about if it wasn't a suicide note and they're still saying that they don't know the motive.
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Two points on his motive:

1) Sometimes details can stay hidden for a year or more. For example, the full extent of Adam's belief system wasn't revealed until January 2014, at least publicly.

2) It is wrong to assume that these events can be explained away so simply; often times they originate in a person's pure, unadulterated rage towards their entire situation and the world they find themselves in. That, and/or hopelessness and dejection, which I think could be especially true of a 64-year-old.
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I really don't have much to say about this. It's a tragedy for sure. I know this sounds bad, but at this point, I was more shocked to find out that Tom Petty died than I was to hear about yet another lunatic going on a shooting. It's because of things like this that I haven't gone to a concert since 2008 and haven't gone to a movie theater since 2010. I also try to avoid public places as much as possible.

I used to work in a casino hotel (not in Vegas though, but in New Jersey) and I always wondered why the hell the place didn't have better security. No metal detectors, no security at any of the entrances of the casino or the hotel. And they're all like that. That's why it was so easy for him to lug all those guns in there. It's ridiculous that places like that have no security whatsoever.


My daughter's school had their first active shooter drill for this year on Wednesday. She is in Second grade. I am sure the timing was due to the Vegas shootings. So when my daughter got home I asked her how it went. Her only question was why anyone would even want to hurt little kids.

I had to sit my child down and try to explain to her that the world is filled with evil, sick, twisted people.  It was like I could actually see a part of her innocence dying as I was talking.  She actually said "Well maybe they just need a friend, I would be their friend if they were sad or lonely".  If only it was that easy. I have ALWAYS tried to teach my kids to be nice to others, that if they see a child sitting alone to go up and talk to them. I had to back track and tell her that not everyone wants a friend. That even if someone smiles at you that doesn't mean they are friendly and nice. It hurt my soul to see her trying to make sense of something that I can't even find the logic in myself. I had to step out of the room so she wouldn't see me crying.

I seriously hate that we live in a world where people have to be afraid of going to see a movie or a concert or even to the store to buy groceries. I hate the fact that my children will never experience the carefree childhood that I was blessed with. I was never worried about school shooters, active shooters etc when I was little. I worried about simple things like hoping my mom didn't see the scratches I got from trying to tame a wild stray cat.

I long for things that I know for certain my children will never know in this day in age. It just saddens me that this is the world my kids and their kids are going to inherit. Crying or Very sad
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This world kills anything innocent. Were all casualties.

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That breaks my heart, as if they can comprehend the enormity of this at that age. When I was growing up the big thing was kidnapping then when I graduated from HS we started with the school shootings, mass shootings, terrorist attacks. It made the whole "don't talk to strangers" thing seem like small potatoes.

Then also we don't want to teach kids that every loner or every person who looks sad will be the next school shooter or someone who will hurt them. Some kids need someone to reach out them while others don't. It's so complicated.

May I ask though, what do they teach the kids to do? Hiding doesn't work.

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That breaks my heart, as if they can comprehend the enormity of this at that age. When I was growing up the big thing was kidnapping then when I graduated from HS we started with the school shootings, mass shootings, terrorist attacks. It made the whole "don't talk to strangers" thing seem like small potatoes.

Then also we don't want to teach kids that every loner or every person who looks sad will be the next school shooter or someone who will hurt them. Some kids need someone to reach out them while others don't. It's so complicated.

May I ask though, what do they teach the kids to do? Hiding doesn't work.


I agree! I want my kids to be the type that will reach out to someone who needs it, like I tried to be thought my school years. BUT we live in such a different time now, I also don't want to give them ideas that could possibly put them in danger. I am truly at a loss.Sad

To my understanding, the school goes on complete lock down, all rooms are locked and the kids are made to line up against a wall and be silent.

The school is very secure for us being in such a small, country town. On a normal day, you have to be buzzed into the school, and can only enter through the main doors. They have cameras mounted everywhere. and have regular police patrols. I'm not sure what they are told other the to stay down and be silent. Still seems very inadequate to me.
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To my understanding, the school goes on complete lock down, all rooms are locked and the kids are made to line up against a wall and be silent.

The school is very secure for us being in such a small, country town. On a normal day, you have to be buzzed into the school, and can only enter through the main doors. They have cameras mounted everywhere. and have regular police patrols. I'm not sure what they are told other the to stay down and be silent. Still seems very inadequate to me.  

Of course it's inadequate; a shooter can simply bypass all these security measures by waiting for the school day to end and gun down kids as they exit the school. The sad reality of things is that sometimes there's nothing you can do. Shit happens and good people die for no reason. That's just life.

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Of course it's inadequate; a shooter can simply bypass all these security measures by waiting for the school day to end and gun down kids as they exit the school. The sad reality of things is that sometimes there's nothing you can do. Shit happens and good people die for no reason. That's just life.
It's very inadequate; Sandy Hook had similar measures, and Lanza bypassed all of them. He just shot through the entrance doors and continued on his merry way. Lanza also used standard lock-down procedures to his advantage; most of the fatalities were caused by shooting into a crowd of children who grouped together in accordance with lock-down procedures. True, in that case the teacher left the door unlocked, but I doubt it would have been hard for him to just shoot his way in.

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It’s just sad not only for the victims but even himself. So much misplaced anger. This guy actually cased events in Chicago and Boston but never followed through.

Don’t talk to strangers is small potatoes now. When you have intelligent, felony free individuals at the age of 64 committing mass murder, you know there’s a big problem going on.
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It's very inadequate; Sandy Hook had similar measures, and Lanza bypassed all of them. He just shot through the entrance doors and continued on his merry way. Lanza also used standard lock-down procedures to his advantage; most of the fatalities were caused by shooting into a crowd of children who grouped together in accordance with lock-down procedures. True, in that case the teacher left the door unlocked, but I doubt it would have been hard for him to just shoot his way in.

I also question the drill practice of having the kids line up, but honestly what else could they do? Its not like they have a fall out shelter to run to that couldn't be breached. Although if it would make my child safer, I am game for anything at this point.
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] You're being paranoid. There's a higher chance that your Kid will die choking on food than be shot to shit in a Mass Shooting.

I'm a mom. It's my job to be paranoid and to worry about my children.
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It's very inadequate; Sandy Hook had similar measures, and Lanza bypassed all of them. He just shot through the entrance doors and continued on his merry way. Lanza also used standard lock-down procedures to his advantage; most of the fatalities were caused by shooting into a crowd of children who grouped together in accordance with lock-down procedures. True, in that case the teacher left the door unlocked, but I doubt it would have been hard for him to just shoot his way in.

I also question the drill practice of having the kids line up, but honestly what else could they do? Its not like they have a fall out shelter to run to that couldn't be breached. Although if it would make my child safer, I am game for anything at this point.
If it helps, most shooters inexplicably decide to attack hallways and cafeterias rather than classrooms.

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