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PostSubject: Incompetency   Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:52 pm

okay so i don’t see this being discussed a whole lot: how incompetent the police were involving this entire shitshow. 

so during the shootings, which lasted roughly a half hour, eric and dylan opened fire outside, and then proceeded into the school, and remained there for the rest of the attack. police were called, and they reacted swiftly in getting to the scene, but that’s all they really did. they showed up.

the police did not enter the building until three hours after the boys had committed suicide. three hours. and they reached the library last. that wouldn’t have significance by itself, but i’m sure you’ve all heard the 911 phone call that was made from the library by patti nielson. we can hear the pipe bombs going off, eric and dylan yelling gleefully, and distant gunshots. nielson also informs the 911 operator that the boys were just outside the library. and then you hear more bangs and explosions, and dylan screaming at everyone to get up. we hear them enter the library. then we hear the massacre as it unfolded. some people are able to label which person is being shot as we hear it on the recording. there’s no mistaking it. with that phone call, we hear the worst of the massacre, and we hear these kids dying. why is that so important? the police knew exactly where eric and dylan were, knew exactly what they were doing, but did not make any attempt to enter the building. there is also an interview with brooks browns parents and they state that during this event, there was a door that was propped open, leading directly into the library. they essentially could hear these kids being shot, and they didn’t do anything. they basically gave eric and dylan total reign over the school, and let them accomplish their task uninterrupted. how polite.

now, i know this happened in ‘99, and mass shootings like this weren’t as common, but they still happened. columbine wasn’t the first school shooting, and it certainly wasn’t the last. if there is any good that came from this, it is that protocol on what action to take during a mass shooting has improved greatly.

there is another failure this police department had, though, and i think it’s the one that frustrates me the most.

we all know eric hated brooks brown for a while. we all know that eric would post his rantings, and mention wanting to kill brooks, and also posting about bomb-making and his progress in that endeavor. brooks found these writings, and showed them to his parents. obviously, they called the police. if someone is talking about how badly they want to kill someone, paired with building bombs, your reaction is fear, and to call the police. and they called them. about 17 times. the police, each time, would reassure the browns that they had this under control. they met with an officer, who seemed very confident that they “had this kid” and that they were going to do something. they even wrote up a search warrant to search the harris home. great, right? yeah, it would’ve been if they actually went and searched that house. but they didn’t. if they had searched eric’s room, what would they find? oh, they’d find a shit ton of pipe bombs, guns, ammunition, bomb building materials, incriminating writing, and the blueprints for NBK. eric harris would’ve been arrested. dylan klebold would have been implicated, and questioned. columbine would have never happened. another fun fact: they totally lied when questioned on this and said there never was a warrant, and no one met with the browns to discuss eric. how professional.

having really delved deep into this topic, i can say that the columbine shootings were completely avoidable. a lot of people, when they hear about this event, they ask, “why did this happen? how did this happen?” well, here is part of that answer: incompetency.
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PostSubject: Re: Incompetency   Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:14 pm

You are not alone in your thoughts of Jeffco's mishandling of Columbine. A lot of people on the forum think along those same lines. We all know that Jeffco tried to hide evidence of the Brown's report after the shootings, they have proved time and time again they could not be trusted.

This is why I am so skeptical when it comes to the things that were actually released by them. This has been talked about on a few different threads. Its a touchy subject for most here that have done intensive research on Columbine.

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PostSubject: Re: Incompetency   Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:31 pm

That was something of a theme for big 90s crimes: OJ Simpson and the Oklahoma City Bombing come to mind. Anyone who was around for the OJ trial in 1994 remembers the zillion accusations of police incompetency and foulups, and the investigation into Timothy McVeigh was botched so badly that his activities in 1993-94 may forever remain a true mystery.
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PostSubject: Re: Incompetency   Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:16 pm

Btw Timothy mc Veigh took a picture of area 51 when he visited it.
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I know Tumblr links are not allowed,but that's the only pic I could find :/
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PostSubject: Re: Incompetency   Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:35 am

It isn't so much the fact that they did not enter the school right away that bothers me...that is a big one but it was protocol so I can sort of accept it. It isn't right but it is what it is...

The main thing that bothers me is the failure to look into Eric before the massacre. The Browns are right about that. And how they handled the evidence and the release of said evidence after.

You are right it was avoidable. They can deny it into the ground. I can't help but wonder what would have happened if the officer who took the website from the Brown's wouldn't have made that typo.

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PostSubject: Re: Incompetency   Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:10 pm

What y'all think of ppl who blame Eric's parents
For not getting funeral for him? they say that they rug him under the carpet like he was nobody to them.
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PostSubject: Re: Incompetency   Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:21 pm

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What y'all think of ppl who blame the Eric's parents?
For not getting funeral for him they say that they rug him under the carpet like he was nobody to them.

In my opinion, the Harris's likely loved their son. They just didn't know how to grieve his death, considering he had caused so much death and pain himself.

How would you grieve for someone who mostly everyone around you hated at that time? Probably in secret behind closed doors. The Harris family was very private even before Columbine, and closed up more afterwards.

I just find it hard to believe they didn't grieve for a child they had loved and raised for 18 years. The funeral service for Eric would have been a very small, very private affair.

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PostSubject: Re: Incompetency   Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:59 pm

Luckily we have Sue's account of what her grieving/thought process was like. While Eric's parents probably did not deal with things exactly the same as the Klebolds, we at least have an idea of the struggles they may have faced and the conflicting feelings they had in the months and years following the massacre.
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PostSubject: Re: Incompetency   Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:11 pm

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Btw Timothy mc Veigh took a picture of area 51 when he visited it.
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I know Tumblr links are not allowed,but that's the only pic I could find :/

And it had to say "RACHEL," too.

At least Timothy McVeigh didn't inspire loads of admirers like E&D did....okay probably a few people, but nowhere near as many as Eric and Dyldo.
Then again, white supremacists are in vogue right now :-(
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PostSubject: Re: Incompetency   Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:56 pm

@Lunkhead McGrath eek I didn't notice that!
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PostSubject: Re: Incompetency   Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:04 pm

What interesting is ppl say the boys went to Columbine to kill ppl, it's rude to say , BUT to me it doesn't seem like they really wanted to kill ppl if you watched the cafeteria surveillance you'll notice the cafeteria was empty and e&d were still there trying to blow up the bombs by shooting on them (first suicide attempt) did they went straight up to the library? My guess is they wanted to destroy the school more than kill ppl ( I feel bad for thinking that)
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PostSubject: Re: Incompetency   Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:34 pm

Lizpuff, what was the typo?

Columbine is filled with these little moments in time, like the Butterfly Effect? You could write a timeline that shows every moment that things could have changed.

They wanted to blow up the school and shoot at people running out, then die by getting shot by cops or shooting themselves.

Their plan (lucky for the world at large and Columbine, unlucky for E&D) failed. Then Eric broke his nose, they let John and Bree survive then wandered around and looked into classrooms before killing themselves. Even Dylan who was running around like he snapped a tether came back down.

I think the Harris's were private in general so I bet they did mourn Eric in their own way. The person who ran Dylan's funeral got a lot of heat, and the news covered it a little too. The junxaposition of them showing Rachel's and Dylans was incredible... thousands at Rachels, about 4 or 5 at Dylans.


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PostSubject: Re: Incompetency   Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:20 am

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we all know eric hated brooks brown for a while. we all know that eric would post his rantings, and mention wanting to kill brooks, and also posting about bomb-making and his progress in that endeavor. brooks found these writings, and showed them to his parents. obviously, they called the police. if someone is talking about how badly they want to kill someone, paired with building bombs, your reaction is fear, and to call the police. and they called them. about 17 times. the police, each time, would reassure the browns that they had this under control. they met with an officer, who seemed very confident that they “had this kid” and that they were going to do something. they even wrote up a search warrant to search the harris home. great, right? yeah, it would’ve been if they actually went and searched that house. but they didn’t. if they had searched eric’s room, what would they find? oh, they’d find a shit ton of pipe bombs, guns, ammunition, bomb building materials, incriminating writing, and the blueprints for NBK. eric harris would’ve been arrested. dylan klebold would have been implicated, and questioned. columbine would have never happened. another fun fact: they totally lied when questioned on this and said there never was a warrant, and no one met with the browns to discuss eric. how professional.

having really delved deep into this topic, i can say that the columbine shootings were completely avoidable. a lot of people, when they hear about this event, they ask, “why did this happen? how did this happen?” well, here is part of that answer: incompetency.

I'll speculate that the failure to pursue the search warrant actually related to the novelty of the internet. Remember, we're talking about the 90s. The police barely knew what the internet was. The magistrate who would have to issue the warrant likely knew even less about what the internet was. Someone witnessed the shooter buying bomb-making components or testing a bomb in combination with a death threat? Obvious probable cause. Someone's merely concerned about the shooter's naked and totally unsupported claims on this thing called a "web site" that most people have no idea how to access? Tough sell. It's easy to just see an angry kid running his mouth at someone he has a problem with.

Today if you posted about building bombs on Facebook in combination with a death threat and police recovered a consistent device nearby, that might do it.
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PostSubject: Re: Incompetency   Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:20 pm

Wasn’t there an unsolved pipe bomb case they thought Eric could have been involved in? Couldn’t that have been enough for probable cause?
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