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PostSubject: Thoughts about this "coincidence"   Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:09 am

This is weird , but I believe in God, and I was wondering if you think that Eric and Dylan were forgiven for what they did.
this passage gives me hope that they were:
“Come now, and let us reason together,” Says the LORD, “Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.”
Isaiah 1:18

a snowstorm began after Erics and Dylans bodies  were moved out of the school.

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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts about this "coincidence"   Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:05 am

Another trivial observance is that one of their victims was named Isaiah and they really frightened and taunted him before murdering him. As for the Book of Isaiah, I haven't read it yet and I'm still somewhere on Samuel but the main association I have with that part of the Bible is the song ''Rivers in the Desert'' from Persona 5.
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts about this "coincidence"   Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:12 am

It's Colorado.

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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts about this "coincidence"   Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:48 pm

Like Mordupen said, it’s Colorado. If I had it my way I would toss out every version of the Bible. New, old, left, right. I personally believe it was created to sustain moral ground and to give human beings hope there is something good after death. Honestly, god or whoever had the power would stop violent acts in progress as their happening, he or she or it wouldn’t allow innocent humans to die or babies or humans to get raped or molested.. Wrath would come down in the form of a heart attack or just straight up death right away.

People love to respond with enjoy hell to others who did bad things but the reality is there is no hell. We evolve or disappear forever, that’s it.
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PostSubject: forgiveness   Sat Nov 25, 2017 6:03 am

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This is weird , but I believe in God, and I was wondering if you think that Eric and Dylan were forgiven for what they did.
this passage gives me hope that they were:
“Come now, and let us reason together,” Says the LORD, “Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.”
Isaiah 1:18

1)Why do you want Eric and Dylan to be forgiven? Are you one of those Christians who secretly doesn't believe in Hell?
2)Were they SORRY? Don't point to them telling their parents they were sorry beofre they did it in the Basement Tapes or whatever it was. What would God forgive for, if one isn't sorry? What kind of late 90s entitlement IS this?
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts about this "coincidence"   Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:28 pm

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This is weird , but I believe in God, and I was wondering if you think that Eric and Dylan were forgiven for what they did.
this passage gives me hope that they were:
“Come now, and let us reason together,” Says the LORD, “Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.”
Isaiah 1:18

a  snowstorm began after Erics and Dylans bodies  were moved out of the school.

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Doesn't the Bible also say "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." in Leviticus 20:13? Why would God forgive two killers then? What you're saying is such wishful thinking. If repentance is enough to get off the hook with God after killing then surely wouldn't the likes of Lanza and Cho be chilling in heaven right now too?

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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts about this "coincidence"   Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:04 pm

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wouldn't the likes of Lanza and Cho be chilling in heaven right now too?
Off topic, but I would totally watch a TV show about Cho, Adam, Eric/Dylan, and a few other heavy hitters chilling in the afterlife.

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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts about this "coincidence"   Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:10 am

I'm an atheist, so of course I don't believe the snow was a sign. It was April in Colorado. Furthermore, E&D did not want "forgiveness" and they mercilessly killed 13 people...
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts about this "coincidence"   Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:23 am

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I'm an atheist, so of course I don't believe the snow was a sign. It was April in Colorado. Furthermore, E&D did not want "forgiveness" and they mercilessly killed 13 people...
Speaking of forgiveness, I stumbled upon this Buffy the Vampire Slayer quote while browsing a Columbine blog on Tumblr - "To forgive is an act of compassion. It's not done because people deserve it. It's done because they need it." Comparing the survivors and relatives who decided to forgive them and those less forgiving and unforgiving is an interesting thought exercise. The mental process behind it is interesting. Personally, I wouldn't forgive them. It would leave a bad taste in my mouth.
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts about this "coincidence"   Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:27 am

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I'm an atheist, so of course I don't believe the snow was a sign. It was April in Colorado. Furthermore, E&D did not want "forgiveness" and they mercilessly killed 13 people...
Speaking of forgiveness, I stumbled upon this Buffy the Vampire Slayer quote while browsing a Columbine blog on Tumblr - "To forgive is an act of compassion. It's not done because people deserve it. It's done because they need it." Comparing the survivors and relatives who decided to forgive them and those less forgiving and unforgiving is an interesting thought exercise. The mental process behind it is interesting. Personally, I wouldn't forgive them. It would leave a bad taste in my mouth.

I understand the sentiment. Craig Scott said in an interview that "forgiveness is like setting a prisoner free, and discovering that the prisoner was you". I guess I can't even comment on it at a biblical level because I don't believe in any of that, but I see where people may think differently.
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts about this "coincidence"   Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:34 am

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I'm an atheist, so of course I don't believe the snow was a sign. It was April in Colorado. Furthermore, E&D did not want "forgiveness" and they mercilessly killed 13 people...
Speaking of forgiveness, I stumbled upon this Buffy the Vampire Slayer quote while browsing a Columbine blog on Tumblr - "To forgive is an act of compassion. It's not done because people deserve it. It's done because they need it." Comparing the survivors and relatives who decided to forgive them and those less forgiving and unforgiving is an interesting thought exercise. The mental process behind it is interesting. Personally, I wouldn't forgive them. It would leave a bad taste in my mouth.

I understand the sentiment. Craig Scott said in an interview that "forgiveness is like setting a prisoner free, and discovering that the prisoner was you". I guess I can't even comment on it at a biblical level because I don't believe in any of that, but I see where people may think differently.
I perceive it as a ''feel good'' deed. Letting go of the anger and moving on while honoring what you lost has the exact same effect IMO.
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts about this "coincidence"   Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:05 am

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Craig Scott said in an interview that "forgiveness is like setting a prisoner free, and discovering that the prisoner was you".


I can agree with Craig on that. I have had to forgive someone who certainly never asked for my forgiveness, who truly didn't deserve it in the least. BUT it was slowly killing me inside to have so much resentment, hurt, and anger built up.

I was in a sense poisoning myself with it while it had no effect on him at all.  It took me a while to realize the feelings I had were really just another form of control this person had on me.

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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts about this "coincidence"   Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:10 am

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Craig Scott said in an interview that "forgiveness is like setting a prisoner free, and discovering that the prisoner was you".


I can agree with Craig on that. I have had to forgive someone who certainly never asked for my forgiveness, who truly didn't deserve it in the least. BUT it was slowly killing me inside to have so much resentment, hurt, and anger built up.

I was in a sense poisoning myself with it while it had no effect on him at all.  It took me a while to realize the feelings I had were really just another form of control this person had on me.
Your realization about ''being controlled'' echoes a sentiment from an interesting Elizabeth Smart TED Talk presentation. Here is the full quote: My mom said to me, “Elizabeth, what this man has done to you is terrible and there are not words strong enough to describe how wicked and evil he is. He has stolen nine months of your life that you will never get back. The best punishment you could ever give him is to be happy, is to move forward with your life because by feeling sorry for yourself and holding on to the past and dwelling on what’s happened to you, that’s only allowing them more control, more power, steal more of your life away from you. So don’t let that happen. Justice may or may not be served, restitution may or may not be made but don’t you dare give them another second of your life”.
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts about this "coincidence"   Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:16 am

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Craig Scott said in an interview that "forgiveness is like setting a prisoner free, and discovering that the prisoner was you".


I can agree with Craig on that. I have had to forgive someone who certainly never asked for my forgiveness, who truly didn't deserve it in the least. BUT it was slowly killing me inside to have so much resentment, hurt, and anger built up.

I was in a sense poisoning myself with it while it had no effect on him at all.  It took me a while to realize the feelings I had were really just another form of control this person had on me.
Your realization about ''being controlled'' echoes a sentiment from an interesting Elizabeth Smart TED Talk presentation. Here is the full quote: My mom said to me, “Elizabeth, what this man has done to you is terrible and there are not words strong enough to describe how wicked and evil he is. He has stolen nine months of your life that you will never get back. The best punishment you could ever give him is to be happy, is to move forward with your life because by feeling sorry for yourself and holding on to the past and dwelling on what’s happened to you, that’s only allowing them more control, more power, steal more of your life away from you. So don’t let that happen. Justice may or may not be served, restitution may or may not be made but don’t you dare give them another second of your life”.

I wholeheartedly agree with that! The very day I realized that I was still letting myself be controlled was a huge eyes opener.

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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts about this "coincidence"   Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:30 am

Have you ever heard being angry is like taking a poison pill and hoping it kills the other person
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts about this "coincidence"   Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:49 pm

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Have you ever heard being angry is like taking a poison pill and hoping it kills the other person

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]   Actually I have heard that countless times. My grandmother was filled with little sayings like that. Smile

Also it is very true.

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My heart has been so badly broken and mended again. Stronger than ever because of its dreadful wounds that I thought it could never break again. But at the sight of his face, at the knowledge that he was taking his leave forever, beyond death, it shattered.
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts about this "coincidence"   Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:12 pm

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Have you ever heard being angry is like taking a poison pill and hoping it kills the other person



Man, thats kinda deep as shit.
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts about this "coincidence"   Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:47 am

sometimes it does
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