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 Apparently in 2008, Adam threatened to kill kids at Sandy Hook and his mom

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PostSubject: Apparently in 2008, Adam threatened to kill kids at Sandy Hook and his mom   Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:06 pm

Pretty much everywhere if you searched up Adam Lanza right now on Google, due to the FBI releasing a whole bunch of new documents.

If it's true, that means the roots for planning the attack go back way further than atleast I thought it did.
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PostSubject: Re: Apparently in 2008, Adam threatened to kill kids at Sandy Hook and his mom   Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:21 pm

Well Seung Hui Cho wrote a paper in which he said he wanted to "repeat Columbine" in 8th grade, so such a long buildup isn't unprecedented. I imagine that premorbid homicidal ideation is present in alot of mass murderers.

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PostSubject: Re: Apparently in 2008, Adam threatened to kill kids at Sandy Hook and his mom   Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:01 pm

I posted about this in the other thread and it seems like complete and utter BS to me.
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Have you read the origin of this claim?
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PostSubject: Re: Apparently in 2008, Adam threatened to kill kids at Sandy Hook and his mom   Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:18 pm

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Well Seung Hui Cho wrote a paper in which he said he wanted to "repeat Columbine" in 8th grade, so such a long buildup isn't unprecedented. I imagine that premorbid homicidal ideation is present in alot of mass murderers.

It's still a very long time to be considering an action like this. Very messed up.

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PostSubject: Re: Apparently in 2008, Adam threatened to kill kids at Sandy Hook and his mom   Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:11 am

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Well Seung Hui Cho wrote a paper in which he said he wanted to "repeat Columbine" in 8th grade, so such a long buildup isn't unprecedented. I imagine that premorbid homicidal ideation is present in alot of mass murderers.
One of the reasons why it is a lie when people say "things get better after High School" No, they don't always. I bet Dylan would have been just as miserable in college, Eric would have been even more angry as all his friends moved away, got rejected from the marines and now alone again.
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PostSubject: Re: Apparently in 2008, Adam threatened to kill kids at Sandy Hook and his mom   Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:54 pm

I highly doubt the alleged event in 2008 of Adam making such a threat. Such an action would be out of character for him, as he NEVER according to any of his friends or online friends made any hints or direct statements referencing his intentions to carry out any mass murder, let alone harm anyone.
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PostSubject: Re: Apparently in 2008, Adam threatened to kill kids at Sandy Hook and his mom   Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:16 pm

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I highly doubt the alleged event in 2008 of Adam making such a threat. Such an action would be out of character for him, as he NEVER according to any of his friends or online friends made any hints or direct statements referencing his intentions to carry out any mass murder, let alone harm anyone.
I agree. Even if he was considering it that far back, by 2008 Adam would have been studying mass murder for over a year and he would have known that public threats would probably a) get someone locked up in prison or a mental hospital, even if it was only a "cry for help" and b) ruin their chances of pulling off a successful shooting if they actually intended to go through with it. It wouldn't be a logical thing for him to do.

Also, the person being interviewed says that they reported the threat to the police and were told that "nothing could be done." I'm pretty sure that the police would be obligated to investigate a direct threat where targets are named, even if they didn't know that the suspect had access to weapons. The whole thing seems made up.
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PostSubject: Re: Apparently in 2008, Adam threatened to kill kids at Sandy Hook and his mom   Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:45 am

I think we can prove this one false as Adam owned the Bushmaster rifle he used to kill those children that day. Unless it was owned first by Nancy and then transfered to Adam in 2010 (when he turned 18 and became qualified to own the rifle) he would not yet have "had access to assault weapons" as the report states he said...in 2008. Now, the rifle might have been transfered to him, but this whole story is as fabricated sounding as the "Adam hacked the FBI" story is.

As others have said before, though, this is totally out of character for Adam to be out and about, chatting up a storm about mass murder. Kid barely spoke a single word to his barber and other people he interacted with regularly, much less some stranger.

Note there is even some info in the report that the media initially reported but that we now know is false: his mother worked at the school and Adam hated that she loved the kids more than him...

That was very early (day of incident) and very bad reporting. Before the CSP report came out, most people thought that was true. This person was simply repeating stuff they heard on the news to try to be a part of the story because they are one of those hangers on.

This is someone who wanted some attention for a few minutes, so they made up a little story.

I wanna know what the whole middle section is about. Redacted said that Redacted needed to get out of town and was escorted from the Super 8 motel??? Redacted said that if a shooting happened Redacted would make it seem like Redacted was involved and they should fly back to CT and threaten to call Redacted......WTF is going on in those paragraphs? Sounds like the kinds of stories I hear from the lady I in town who owns 200 cats.

Edit: yup, the Bushmaster was purchased in 2010...so he did NOT have access to assault rifles in 2008, like this cuckoo claimed (lied).
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PostSubject: Re: Apparently in 2008, Adam threatened to kill kids at Sandy Hook and his mom   Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:58 am

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I agree. It's frustrating that this was heavily redacted and and I bet that if we were able to see the redacted portions, it would become even more obvious that the story was a lie.

The fact that Adam had no access to the Bushmaster back in 2008 was part of what convinced me that this was a lie but I do want to point out that Nancy had sold guns that were previously owned so it can't be ruled out by that alone. There is a photo of a Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle instruction manual and there is evidence that she sold this gun in 2011 although I don't know when it was purchased. There is also evidence that she sold/transferred a firearm in 2010 so I'd say that it's actually possible that they did have an "assault weapon" of sorts in 2008 even if it wasn't the Bushmaster.

In any case, I agree that the purchase of the Bushmaster is significant and I think it lines up with the period of time in which Adam first began his material planning for a shooting. The Bushmaster rifle and Saiga shotgun were bought in late March and early April of 2010. The Sig Sauer pistol was purchased about a year later and the Glock pistol was purchased in January of 2012. I tend to believe that he asked her to purchase all of these guns with the intention of someday using them to commit a massacre but that's just a guess. Still, it only suggests that planning went back to early 2010, which is coincidentally (or not) shortly after he started posting on the Columbine forum (January 2010) and editing Wikipedia articles related to shootings (August 2009). I believe that Adam did not start bringing his fantasy in reality until some time around late 2009/early 2010.

And yes, I agree that the most important clue that this is a fabrication is the misconception about Nancy working at the school.

On another note, I would disagree with the assertion that Adam barely spoke a word to people he interacted with regularly. Sure, he would not respond if he didn't feel comfortable doing so and he definitely did not seem to speak to strangers but his barber was essentially a stranger and not a good measure of what he was capable of when he was comfortable (because assuming that the story was real [it's not Laughing ], then he would have obviously had to be comfortable with this person to recklessly threaten to commit a mass murder in front of them).

The person he briefly maintained a friendship with in 2010/2011 had a long list of things that they discussed (although I would guess that some of it could definitely have been through e-mail and there is no specification of which conversations were in person and which were online) and his father said that in his middle school days you couldn't get him to shut up. Adam absolutely spoke but apparently, only with people that he felt comfortable with. Based on his own commentary about his radio call, it sounds like Adam was self-conscious about the way that he spoke. This may have been because he was forced to attend speech therapy for several years because his speech was extremely difficult to understand and he had difficulty verbalizing his thoughts, which also reportedly left him frustrated, according to a family member.
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PostSubject: Re: Apparently in 2008, Adam threatened to kill kids at Sandy Hook and his mom   Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:34 pm

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I think a goodly number of those conversations were, indeed, face to face with his friend with whom he saw movies. Perhaps the barber was a poor example. My bad.

It looks like you and I share a similar interest in this shooting. When I am allowed to PM I will drop you a line. I have been on top of this case since it first broke and have been active in teaching active shooter techniques to teachers in the cities and towns near my home city of Scranton.
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PostSubject: Re: Apparently in 2008, Adam threatened to kill kids at Sandy Hook and his mom   Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:24 am

I just thought that I'd post this in here.
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Newtown police actually released a statement a few days after the documents were released. They checked their records to see if this claim was credible and they show that the local police had no contact with this person in 2008 or anytime thereafter.

"Newtown PD has been working closely with the FBI on verifying information on the referenced report. A comprehensive search of our records indicate that the person named in the report is not on record as ever contacting the agency in 2008 or subsequent to that date. We thank the FBI for their assistance and diligence in verifying the information," Newtown Police Chief James Viadero said in a statement on Friday.

This clarifying information came out several days after the release of the FBI documents, and it's a shame because before that happened, a few major news outlets released articles that treated the unverified tip as fact and they seem to remain uncorrected.
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