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PostSubject: School shooting in Aztec New Mexico   School shooting in Aztec New Mexico Icon_minitimeThu Dec 07, 2017 12:49 pm

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At least 3 dead. Maybe a dozen injured. Not much on this yet.
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Conflicting reports on the number of injuries. Per the norm. Rolling Eyes
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3 dead so far 12 injured, gunman down.. what ever that means
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3 dead so far 12 injured, gunman down.. what ever that means


Wow you changed your name. But yeah, no suspect info right now either.
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PostSubject: Re: School shooting in Aztec New Mexico   School shooting in Aztec New Mexico Icon_minitimeThu Dec 07, 2017 1:31 pm

Apparently 2 are dead (not including gunman) and 15 wounded. Students said in text messages that he had an AR but they might've thought a police officer was the shooter (that can happen, especially shooters that wear tactic00l outfits like Zawahri and Holmes). The shooter is dead and it's unknown right now if the police shot him or if he commit suicide.
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Reports oin NYC of a truck running people over now...I wondering if it has to do with the capital in Israel
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Reports oin NYC of a truck running people over now...I wondering if it has to do with the capital in Israel
I don't see anything about it on the news..
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Reports oin NYC of a truck running people over now...I wondering if it has to do with the capital in Israel

Links? The only thing my searches are bringing up is the one where the that guy drove down the bike path. scratch
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Reports oin NYC of a truck running people over now...I wondering if it has to do with the capital in Israel

Links? The only thing my searches are bringing up is the one where the that guy drove down the bike path. scratch
Yeah, it's a bit suspicious. I'm not going to call them a liar yet, but there's no reports on it except for the guy who did it previously.
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Reports oin NYC of a truck running people over now...I wondering if it has to do with the capital in Israel

Links? The only thing my searches are bringing up is the one where the that guy drove down the bike path. scratch
Yeah, it's a bit suspicious. I'm not going to call them a liar yet, but there's no reports on it except for the guy who did it previously.

appears to be an accident

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original report also said truck
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Reports oin NYC of a truck running people over now...I wondering if it has to do with the capital in Israel

Links? The only thing my searches are bringing up is the one where the that guy drove down the bike path. scratch
Yeah, it's a bit suspicious. I'm not going to call them a liar yet, but there's no reports on it except for the guy who did it previously.

i wouldnt lie on purpose..i never have here
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Snow wrote:
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Reports oin NYC of a truck running people over now...I wondering if it has to do with the capital in Israel

Links? The only thing my searches are bringing up is the one where the that guy drove down the bike path. scratch
Yeah, it's a bit suspicious. I'm not going to call them a liar yet, but there's no reports on it except for the guy who did it previously.

i wouldnt lie on purpose..i never have here

No worries Hun. Smile
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Reports oin NYC of a truck running people over now...I wondering if it has to do with the capital in Israel

Links? The only thing my searches are bringing up is the one where the that guy drove down the bike path. scratch
Yeah, it's a bit suspicious. I'm not going to call them a liar yet, but there's no reports on it except for the guy who did it previously.

i wouldnt lie on purpose..i never have here
Ok. I just got suspicious since you hadn't posted a news story on it before that and I couldn't find any information on it.
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Man, this wasn't even on the TV. I mean sure, there are a few big news stories today, but this didn't even get a minute of coverage on any major TV news station.

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PostSubject: Re: School shooting in Aztec New Mexico   School shooting in Aztec New Mexico Icon_minitimeThu Dec 07, 2017 11:20 pm

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Man, this wasn't even on the TV. I mean sure, there are a few big news stories today, but this didn't even get a minute of coverage on any major TV news station.

People are becoming more desensitized every day. Even the LA shooting (deadliest lone rampage in America), which can be compared to the rampage in Norway (Deadliest lone rampage in the world), got significantly less buzz in the media than I thought it would have. It seemed to have gotten much less attention than the night club shooting in Florida, which used to hold the record for being the most deadly in America. Rampages don't phase people anymore...

It probably also helped that it was in New Mexico. A lot of people tend to lump it together with Mexico and forget about it. I know a few people who don't even realize it is an American state.

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Wait what rampage in LA
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Wait what rampage in LA

I think he meant to say Las Vegas.
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Man, this wasn't even on the TV. I mean sure, there are a few big news stories today, but this didn't even get a minute of coverage on any major TV news station.

People are becoming more desensitized every day.


Agreed. Very sad to think that people hear about another school shooting and will simply go "Ah to bad" and change the channel. If it even gets their attention at all. But sadly this is the state of the world right now. Sad
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Man, this wasn't even on the TV. I mean sure, there are a few big news stories today, but this didn't even get a minute of coverage on any major TV news station.

They covered it briefly on the world news last night.
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It probably also helped that it was in New Mexico. A lot of people tend to lump it together with Mexico and forget about it. I know a few people who don't even realize it is an American state.

Thats interesting.

You would think Breaking Bad cleared that up Laughing
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Still nothing on the shooter. scratch
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The shooter was a 21-year-old local male who pretended to be a student to gain access.

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The shooter was a 21-year-old local male who pretended to be a student to gain access.

Any links?
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Interesting. Aside from Duane Morrison, this appears to be the only "abberant adult" attack that was committed at a high school.

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Shooter - 21 year old William Atchison:

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PostSubject: Re: School shooting in Aztec New Mexico   School shooting in Aztec New Mexico Icon_minitimeFri Dec 08, 2017 4:28 pm

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Shooter - 21 year old William Atchison:

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A friend told me he killed himself and used 2 9mm pistols, one of them was a Glock.
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Shooter - 21 year old William Atchison:

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Thanks.

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Shit. Fuck. I might've known this guy. SHIT.

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Shit. Fuck. I might've known this guy. SHIT.

Wait WHAT!!?!

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Shit. Fuck. I might've known this guy. SHIT.

Wait WHAT!!?!
It might be the Youtuber Vance Stone.
He has a discord where people (including me) are discussing it.
He had accounts ( [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ) on here.

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Holy shit, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]?!

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The shooter posted somewhere saying this.
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If things go according to plan, today would be when I die.
I wait until the school buses are detected, then head out on foot disguised as a student.
I go somewhere and gear up, then hold a class hostage and go apesh, then blow my brains out.

Work suck, school sucks, life sucks.

I just want out of this sh.

F*** this state, it really is bad. Think I’m insane? I’m actually more rational, peaceful and less loony than a majority of the citizenry of this entire region.

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What makes you think it might have been this vance guy?

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Holy shit, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]?!
Yeah, that's "Vance".
It isn't confirmed by the police, but there's a ton of evidence.
He messaged my friend hours before the shooting saying he was going to die.

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Just want to point out the truth

fucked up thing is, there's at least a 10% chance that one of the lurkers viewing this topic right now (or in the future) is probably the next goddamn shooter
I wonder if he was considering an attack when he wrote this.

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Here's something [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] / [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] posted. It might be a copypasta (a lot of his friends, me included, know he does it often but it's still worth posting.)
Пошёл ты 23 Nov @ 1:18pm wrote:

How am I supposed to function in this world? Wherever I go, I see degeneracy. Pointless materialism, hedonism, sexual decay, dirty niggers who do nothing but slowly break down this society etc. it's fucking everywhere. No way to escape it, 99% of people are part of it and whatever I do I am confronted with the death of the West. Go to the store and buy groceries in peace? Nope, here's a group of LGBT liberal filth in line with you. And there's a nigger family with 10 kids over there. And a Finn too, but he's overweight as fuck and he's buying alcohol and shit junk food. Fucking fantastic.

I used to think that this was a phase and we'd get over it, but I have now come to realize that I was born into a literal dystopia.
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This message makes sense considering the location he attacked.
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This message makes sense considering the location he attacked.
Someone traced his IP, it was near Aztec.
But even if it's innacurate, he lived in Colorado so it's still possible.
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I mean that it makes sense that he attacked his high school, rather than some other location; a large body of mostly-liberal targets and a location he was familiar with.
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I had a Skype conversation with him on the 5th November where he showed me a .22LR rifle and a 9mm Glock pistol he'd bought recently, I think he'd bought them on that same day? I think he said it was at least during that week. So if he really was the shooter then he bought at least one of his guns shortly before the shooting.
He had other guns and I think he even had rifles that fired bigger rounds like a Mini 14. People might wonder why he didn't use them however he did disguise himself as a student so he'd need to conceal his weapons, and a regular student wouldn't be carrying a black duffel bag.

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PostSubject: Re: School shooting in Aztec New Mexico   School shooting in Aztec New Mexico Icon_minitimeFri Dec 08, 2017 9:57 pm

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It might be the Youtuber Vance Stone.
He has a discord where people (including me) are discussing it.
He had accounts ( [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ) on here.

Well fuck. If true that makes him the second user who went on to kill people.

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Just want to point out the truth

fucked up thing is, there's at least a 10% chance that one of the lurkers viewing this topic right now (or in the future) is probably the next goddamn shooter
I wonder if he was considering an attack when he wrote this.

Possibly. Maybe he wanted to be just like Eric Harris and use subtle "foreshadowing"/warnings to other people.

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You'd have to be one sick puppy to "foreshadow" the fact that you're going to shoot a bunch of kids.

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You'd have to be one sick puppy to "foreshadow" the fact that you're going to shoot a bunch of kids.

Well quite a few shooting plots were prevented because the would be shooter did exactly that, and quite a few actual shootings which could've been prevented were not because people dismissed the warning as a joke, so it's not unheard of.

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I had a Skype conversation with him on the 5th November where he showed me a .22LR rifle and a 9mm Glock pistol he'd bought recently, I think he'd bought them on that same day? I think he said it was at least during that week. So if he really was the shooter then he bought at least one of his guns shortly before the shooting.
He had other guns and I think he even had rifles that fired bigger rounds like a Mini 14. People might wonder why he didn't use them however he did disguise himself as a student so he'd need to conceal his weapons, and a regular student wouldn't be carrying a black duffel bag.
This news article says that the shooter bought a Glock 9mm pistol a month ago.
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Did this guy say anything else to your friend in the message where he said that he was going to die?

(Was this the guy who seemed to post a comment on every mass shooting related video on Youtube?)
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PostSubject: Re: School shooting in Aztec New Mexico   School shooting in Aztec New Mexico Icon_minitimeFri Dec 08, 2017 11:59 pm

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InsaneIntruder wrote:
I had a Skype conversation with him on the 5th November where he showed me a .22LR rifle and a 9mm Glock pistol he'd bought recently, I think he'd bought them on that same day? I think he said it was at least during that week. So if he really was the shooter then he bought at least one of his guns shortly before the shooting.
He had other guns and I think he even had rifles that fired bigger rounds like a Mini 14. People might wonder why he didn't use them however he did disguise himself as a student so he'd need to conceal his weapons, and a regular student wouldn't be carrying a black duffel bag.
This news article says that the shooter bought a Glock 9mm pistol a month ago.
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Did this guy say anything else to your friend in the message where he said that he was going to die?

(Was this the guy who seemed to post a comment on every mass shooting related video on Youtube?)
No, he didn't seem to say anything else.
Also his name was Vance Stone. He mentioned in a Youtube comment that he posted a ton of comments and his comments seemed to get flagged as spam automatically so maybe.
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PostSubject: Re: School shooting in Aztec New Mexico   School shooting in Aztec New Mexico Icon_minitimeSat Dec 09, 2017 12:10 am

None of you have heard from him today? Is that unusual?

If so, is it possible that he's trolling people by staying out of contact now that there is a rumor that it was him?

Did the friend start telling people about the message before or after the shooting happened?
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PostSubject: Re: School shooting in Aztec New Mexico   School shooting in Aztec New Mexico Icon_minitimeSat Dec 09, 2017 12:26 am

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None of you have heard from him today? Is that unusual?

If so, is it possible that he's trolling people by staying out of contact now that there is a rumor that it was him?

Did the friend start telling people about the message before or after the shooting happened?
After.
Also he's online often so he'd probably be online by now.
Also someone deleted his entire discord (because they were afraid of LE raiding them) so if he was trolling he probably would've told people by now.
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