School shooting in Aztec New Mexico

InsaneIntruder wrote:

Shit. Fuck. I might've known this guy. SHIT.

Wait WHAT!!?!

QuestionMark wrote:

InsaneIntruder wrote:

Shit. Fuck. I might've known this guy. SHIT.

Wait WHAT!!?!

It might be the Youtuber Vance Stone.
He has a discord where people (including me) are discussing it.
He had accounts ( [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ) on here.

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The shooter posted somewhere saying this.

William Atchison wrote:

December 7, 2017
If things go according to plan, today would be when I die.
I wait until the school buses are detected, then head out on foot disguised as a student.
I go somewhere and gear up, then hold a class hostage and go apesh, then blow my brains out.

Work suck, school sucks, life sucks.

I just want out of this sh.

F*** this state, it really is bad. Think I’m insane? I’m actually more rational, peaceful and less loony than a majority of the citizenry of this entire region.

What makes you think it might have been this vance guy?

STK wrote:

Holy shit, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]?!

Yeah, that's "Vance".
It isn't confirmed by the police, but there's a ton of evidence.
He messaged my friend hours before the shooting saying he was going to die.

FIBAgent wrote:

Just want to point out the truth

fucked up thing is, there's at least a 10% chance that one of the lurkers viewing this topic right now (or in the future) is probably the next goddamn shooter

I wonder if he was considering an attack when he wrote this.

Here's something [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] / [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] posted. It might be a copypasta (a lot of his friends, me included, know he does it often but it's still worth posting.)

Пошёл ты 23 Nov @ 1:18pm wrote:

How am I supposed to function in this world? Wherever I go, I see degeneracy. Pointless materialism, hedonism, sexual decay, dirty niggers who do nothing but slowly break down this society etc. it's fucking everywhere. No way to escape it, 99% of people are part of it and whatever I do I am confronted with the death of the West. Go to the store and buy groceries in peace? Nope, here's a group of LGBT liberal filth in line with you. And there's a nigger family with 10 kids over there. And a Finn too, but he's overweight as fuck and he's buying alcohol and shit junk food. Fucking fantastic.

I used to think that this was a phase and we'd get over it, but I have now come to realize that I was born into a literal dystopia.

This message makes sense considering the location he attacked.

STK wrote:

This message makes sense considering the location he attacked.

Someone traced his IP, it was near Aztec.
But even if it's innacurate, he lived in Colorado so it's still possible.

I mean that it makes sense that he attacked his high school, rather than some other location; a large body of mostly-liberal targets and a location he was familiar with.

I had a Skype conversation with him on the 5th November where he showed me a .22LR rifle and a 9mm Glock pistol he'd bought recently, I think he'd bought them on that same day? I think he said it was at least during that week. So if he really was the shooter then he bought at least one of his guns shortly before the shooting.
He had other guns and I think he even had rifles that fired bigger rounds like a Mini 14. People might wonder why he didn't use them however he did disguise himself as a student so he'd need to conceal his weapons, and a regular student wouldn't be carrying a black duffel bag.

InsaneIntruder wrote:

It might be the Youtuber Vance Stone.
He has a discord where people (including me) are discussing it.
He had accounts ( [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ) on here.

Well fuck. If true that makes him the second user who went on to kill people.

STK wrote:

FIBAgent wrote:

Just want to point out the truth

fucked up thing is, there's at least a 10% chance that one of the lurkers viewing this topic right now (or in the future) is probably the next goddamn shooter

I wonder if he was considering an attack when he wrote this.

Possibly. Maybe he wanted to be just like Eric Harris and use subtle "foreshadowing"/warnings to other people.

You'd have to be one sick puppy to "foreshadow" the fact that you're going to shoot a bunch of kids.

STK wrote:

You'd have to be one sick puppy to "foreshadow" the fact that you're going to shoot a bunch of kids.

Well quite a few shooting plots were prevented because the would be shooter did exactly that, and quite a few actual shootings which could've been prevented were not because people dismissed the warning as a joke, so it's not unheard of.

InsaneIntruder wrote:

I had a Skype conversation with him on the 5th November where he showed me a .22LR rifle and a 9mm Glock pistol he'd bought recently, I think he'd bought them on that same day? I think he said it was at least during that week. So if he really was the shooter then he bought at least one of his guns shortly before the shooting.
He had other guns and I think he even had rifles that fired bigger rounds like a Mini 14. People might wonder why he didn't use them however he did disguise himself as a student so he'd need to conceal his weapons, and a regular student wouldn't be carrying a black duffel bag.

This news article says that the shooter bought a Glock 9mm pistol a month ago.
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Did this guy say anything else to your friend in the message where he said that he was going to die?

(Was this the guy who seemed to post a comment on every mass shooting related video on Youtube?)

sscc wrote:

InsaneIntruder wrote:

I had a Skype conversation with him on the 5th November where he showed me a .22LR rifle and a 9mm Glock pistol he'd bought recently, I think he'd bought them on that same day? I think he said it was at least during that week. So if he really was the shooter then he bought at least one of his guns shortly before the shooting.
He had other guns and I think he even had rifles that fired bigger rounds like a Mini 14. People might wonder why he didn't use them however he did disguise himself as a student so he'd need to conceal his weapons, and a regular student wouldn't be carrying a black duffel bag.

This news article says that the shooter bought a Glock 9mm pistol a month ago.
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Did this guy say anything else to your friend in the message where he said that he was going to die?

(Was this the guy who seemed to post a comment on every mass shooting related video on Youtube?)

No, he didn't seem to say anything else.
Also his name was Vance Stone. He mentioned in a Youtube comment that he posted a ton of comments and his comments seemed to get flagged as spam automatically so maybe.

None of you have heard from him today? Is that unusual?

If so, is it possible that he's trolling people by staying out of contact now that there is a rumor that it was him?

Did the friend start telling people about the message before or after the shooting happened?

sscc wrote:

None of you have heard from him today? Is that unusual?

If so, is it possible that he's trolling people by staying out of contact now that there is a rumor that it was him?

Did the friend start telling people about the message before or after the shooting happened?

After.
Also he's online often so he'd probably be online by now.
Also someone deleted his entire discord (because they were afraid of LE raiding them) so if he was trolling he probably would've told people by now.

InsaneIntruder wrote:

Also someone deleted his entire discord (because they were afraid of LE raiding them)

Have the police contacted you yet?

QuestionMark wrote:

InsaneIntruder wrote:

Also someone deleted his entire discord (because they were afraid of LE raiding them)

Have the police contacted you yet?

No.
I don't live in the US though, so maybe that's why.

InsaneIntruder wrote:

sscc wrote:

InsaneIntruder wrote:

I had a Skype conversation with him on the 5th November where he showed me a .22LR rifle and a 9mm Glock pistol he'd bought recently, I think he'd bought them on that same day? I think he said it was at least during that week. So if he really was the shooter then he bought at least one of his guns shortly before the shooting.
He had other guns and I think he even had rifles that fired bigger rounds like a Mini 14. People might wonder why he didn't use them however he did disguise himself as a student so he'd need to conceal his weapons, and a regular student wouldn't be carrying a black duffel bag.

This news article says that the shooter bought a Glock 9mm pistol a month ago.
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Did this guy say anything else to your friend in the message where he said that he was going to die?

(Was this the guy who seemed to post a comment on every mass shooting related video on Youtube?)

No, he didn't seem to say anything else.
Also his name was Vance Stone. He mentioned in a Youtube comment that he posted a ton of comments and his comments seemed to get flagged as spam automatically so maybe.

Wait, Vance Stone?? Oh fuck..

I highly doubt it was VS but if it does turn out to be him I shall certainly be celebrating The troll will return in one form or another (if he's not here already!). His reddit about guns, VPN's and Tor certainly makes an interesting read

Damn, if this really was "Vance Stone", then I talked with him on YT sometimes.

I watched his videos quite a bit and seen him a lot on Youtube. Think I might have talked to him once or twice...damn, I am at loss of words..

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Apparently people are alleging that he was a sysop on Encyclopedia Dramatica and a user on Kiwi Farms.

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I wonder if the allegations are true.

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Ganon/Sephiroth is apparently his Blockland account. Holy shit.

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This is the blockland thread where they talk about it.

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Huh, wonder when the cross contamination starts.

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Ganon/Sephiroth is apparently his Blockland account. Holy shit.

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This is the blockland thread where they talk about it.

Holy shit. On Vance's Steam profile, there's a link to his old Steam account with that username.

Here are his Encyclopedia Dramatica and Kiwi Farms accounts:

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Just...god damn.

QuestionMark wrote:

Here are his Encyclopedia Dramatica and Kiwi Farms accounts:

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Just...god damn.

Yep. It's him. It's Vance. AlGore is Vance.

I'm surprised no news agency mentioned his online presence. Guess they moved on.

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STK wrote:

I'm surprised no news agency mentioned his online presence. Guess they moved on.

I think part of it is that this wasn't big enough for them to make a story about, and part of it is that it's been four days since it's been revealed he was an ED admin, a KF user, and a member of this very website. Most news outlets ignored Randy Stair, even though he had a diverse internet presence.

It also doesn't help that this shooting happened while several major political stories are happening live (such as the Russia investigation, Al Franken's resignation, the congressional race in Alabama, and the upcoming net neutrality vote). Everyone's priorities are elsewhere.

I didn't really want to believe this and at first I wasn't buying it because he was a troll. I was casually looking through his accounts for the past couple of days to see if there was any proof one way or another.

At first, I saw that he said something about living in the suburbs of Denver, which didn't make sense if he was the shooter and made me think that it was a lie. Yesterday, I found a comment which suggested the name of his real life brother. I just got around to looking it up and someone with the name on the account he identified as his brother's (there was only a first name and last initial on the account but obviously we know what the last name should be if he's related to the shooter) comes up with an address in Aztec, NM, about five minutes from the high school. That seems like a very weird coincidence if it's not him.

STK wrote:

I'm surprised no news agency mentioned his online presence. Guess they moved on.

I have a feeling that law enforcement agencies are going through his online activity right now (if only to make sure that he didn't have any help) and that the information that he was "obsessed with mass shootings" will be released within the next week or two. I don't think it will be a major national story but I'm sure that they will be talking about it locally.

sscc wrote:

I didn't really want to believe this and at first I wasn't buying it because he was a troll. I was casually looking through his accounts for the past couple of days to see if there was any proof one way or another.

At first, I saw that he said something about living in the suburbs of Denver, which didn't make sense if he was the shooter and made me think that it was a lie. Yesterday, I found a comment which suggested the name of his real life brother. I just got around to looking it up and someone with the name on the account he identified as his brother's (there was only a first name and last initial on the account but obviously we know what the last name should be if he's related to the shooter) comes up with an address in Aztec, NM, about five minutes from the high school. That seems like a very weird coincidence if it's not him.

I'm going to be honest, I was shocked to learn it was ED user AlGore. His long history of internet trolling led me to believe he wasn't serious.

Dingus wrote:

He was also on Tumblr.

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I think this is going to be a situation like this:

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*Recently, Adam Lanza's former tumblr usernames were allowed to remain visible via screenshots ONLY. If another similar situation arises down the road where it has been discovered that someone infamous had a social media account, the same exact rules will apply: SCREENSHOTS of their posts will be allowed, and the only username that can remain visible will be THEIRS, no one else's.

Correct me if I'm wrong or I'm misinterpreting things.

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tfsa47090 wrote:

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I think this is going to be a situation like this:

tfsa47090 wrote:

*Recently, Adam Lanza's former tumblr usernames were allowed to remain visible via screenshots ONLY. If another similar situation arises down the road where it has been discovered that someone infamous had a social media account, the same exact rules will apply: SCREENSHOTS of their posts will be allowed, and the only username that can remain visible will be THEIRS, no one else's.

Correct me if I'm wrong or I'm misinterpreting things.

You're correct.

One important point that must be emphasized is that we cannot allow the tumblr link to be posted at all.

However, if it is proven with 100% certainty that this is indeed the person AND that it IS his tumblr account, the only thing that will be permitted will be screenshots that obscure ALL usernames aside from his.

His tumblr url/username will be allowed to remain visible in screenshots only.

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A list of every account that we know are his.

We can confirm he had a Tumblr account.

He worshiped Eric/Dylan, Hitler, etc, - sound familiar?

I wonder when Kiwifarms realizes we're talking about them.

Love how he complained about degeneracy but smoked meth

STK wrote:

I wonder when Kiwifarms realizes we're talking about them.

Well at the very least they found out Satanicdruggie/AlGore was a member here. 

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Here's another list of known accounts and aliases, courtesy of the people on EDF. 

It's a long one:

Link: https://forum.encyclopediadramatica.rs/threads/satanicdruggie-algore-shoots-up-their-school.29904/#post-1006970