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PostSubject: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:02 am

I'm not sure if you guys ever saw this, but here is a very accurate video showing Eric and Dylan's movements throughout the massacre, including their victim's locations and movements.
This gives you a better overall picture of how it all went down, and while it is impossible to be "exact", it is very close.



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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:29 am

Very interesting to watch. It really shows how many opportunities they had to try and enter classrooms/offices so they could hurt more people, but they did not.
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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:59 am

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Very interesting to watch. It really shows how many opportunities they had to try and enter classrooms/offices so they could hurt more people, but they did not.


Agree. They had countless chances to, yet for some reason didn't. The reasons why they didn't will likely never be known.

Some say they were just done, period. Others think they were still trying to get the bombs to explode etc. Either way they did indeed pass up many people, even made eye contact with them and yet walked on by.

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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:07 am

I have no idea why Eric and Dylan ran up to doors randomly then walked away in the opposite direction. Dylan's movements in the library were really odd.

I also don't understand why one stayed back while the other investigated. It's a wonder they didn't get jumped.
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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:09 am

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I have no idea why Eric and Dylan ran up to doors randomly then walked away in the opposite direction. Dylan's movements in the library were really odd.

I also don't understand why one stayed back while the other investigated. It's a wonder they didn't get jumped.

Was going to ask about this, particularly why Dylan walked over to where Dave Sanders was while Eric stayed behind. I always pictured that encounter differently. Is the video pretty accurate about that?
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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:14 am

The creator should've done it in real time instead of speeding it up. In a real-time version you could sync up audio of the Library 911 call to play over the Hallway / Library segment.

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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:32 am

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I have no idea why Eric and Dylan ran up to doors randomly then walked away in the opposite direction. Dylan's movements in the library were really odd.

I also don't understand why one stayed back while the other investigated. It's a wonder they didn't get jumped.


Well considering E&D were mainly surrounded with a bunch of kids scared out of their minds AND they were both armed is likely the reasons they weren't jumped. IF even such a thing had entered into anyone's mind to try to disarm them in the first place.

Most people's fight or flight instinct is geared more to flight and save your own ass then it is to fight and try to be the Hero.

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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:52 am

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I have no idea why Eric and Dylan ran up to doors randomly then walked away in the opposite direction. Dylan's movements in the library were really odd.

I also don't understand why one stayed back while the other investigated. It's a wonder they didn't get jumped.


Well considering E&D were mainly surrounded with a bunch of kids scared out of their minds AND they were both armed is likely the reasons they weren't jumped. IF even such a thing had entered into anyone's mind to try to disarm them in the first place.

Most people's fight or flight instinct is geared more to flight and save your own ass then it is to fight and try to be the Hero.
Daniel Mauser gave it a go and he was only a scrawny teenager. If a bigger guy than that cornered them and took away their gun it'd be lights out for them both.
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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:57 am

Why cant we see Dylan going in to the cafeteria on the cctv footage? Is it because the placement of the camera is so that he came in from the back of the camera or is it because it changed camera to one where he wasn't visible just when he walked in?

And why does it change camera? why not just have constant footage on all of them? I dont get it
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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:04 pm

I think many people have searched for Dylan on camera entering the cafeteria early on. I've been told the area he was in and angle of the cameras means he was never caught on tape.
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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:17 pm

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I have no idea why Eric and Dylan ran up to doors randomly then walked away in the opposite direction. Dylan's movements in the library were really odd.

I also don't understand why one stayed back while the other investigated. It's a wonder they didn't get jumped.


Well considering E&D were mainly surrounded with a bunch of kids scared out of their minds AND they were both armed is likely the reasons they weren't jumped.  IF even such a thing had entered into anyone's mind to try to disarm them in the first place.

Most people's fight or flight instinct is geared more to flight and save your own ass then it is to fight and try to be the Hero.
Daniel Mauser gave it a go and he was only a scrawny teenager. If a bigger guy than that cornered them and took away their gun it'd be lights out for them both.

I have never been fully convinced that Daniel attempted to attack/disarm Eric that day.  There are just way to many other things in my opinion that may have lead to the chair being moved/shoved/kicked etc.

It is possible that it was a complete accident on Danial's part. Maybe he was so scared that he accidentally kicked or bumped it while he was hiding under the table. Then Eric just assumed that it was an attempted attack.  We all know that Eric was in full Military mode. So he took out what in his mind was a threat.

I mean is there any solid evidence to prove that it was a definite attempt to distract/disarm Eric? Other then some reporting hearing Dylan say "Did he try to jump you?, and Eric say "Yeah"?

If Danial truly did try to distract Eric or whatever he thought shoving a chair at him would do, then that kid had balls of steel, but it cost him his life.  If the chair hadn't been moved or shoved drawing attention to himself then Eric may not have even noticed him.

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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:18 pm

Why did Dylan go into the cafeteria?
Did he do it in an attempt to set the bombs off without getting bombed himself?
And why the hell would he then shoot out the windows? Or was it Eric that shot Anne Marie?
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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:19 pm

Eric shot Ann Marie while Dylan was checking on the bombs in the cafeteria.

Regarding Daniel Mauser- multiple witnesses heard Dylan ask Eric if Daniel had tried to jump him. But I don't know if anyone actually saw what happened, is there a report of that?
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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:27 pm

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Eric shot Ann Marie while Dylan was checking on the bombs in the cafeteria.

Regarding Daniel Mauser- multiple witnesses heard Dylan ask Eric if Daniel had tried to jump him. But I don't know if anyone actually saw what happened, is there a report of that?

I'm not sure, I can't remember right off the top of my head.  But I think it was just people saying they "Heard" Dylan ask if he was jumped and Eric said "yes" or something along those lines.   Someone correct me if I am wrong!

So In Eric's mind he may have just perceived the chair being moved as a threat, even if it was a total accident on Danial's part.

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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:30 pm

I wonder if there is a reason why Eric doesn't move so much, other than him probably being better at shooting from a distance.

Check on the bombs, it sounds so stupid. If they would've gone off they would probably have noticed. What if they would have gone off when he went to check on them and he died but Eric survived. I wonder what Eric would have done.
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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:34 pm

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I wonder if there is a reason why Eric doesn't move so much, other than him probably being better at shooting from a distance.

Check on the bombs, it sounds so stupid. If they would've gone off they would probably have noticed. What if they would have gone off when he went to check on them and he died but Eric survived. I wonder what Eric would have done.

This is pure speculation but maybe he wanted to see if they had gone off but just not to the extent they were hoping?

If the bombs went off in the commons and Dylan was killed, I think Eric would have killed more people fleeing outside and then killed himself, or tried entering the school and killing himself in there. Depends on the damage that was done.
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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:03 pm

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Regarding Daniel Mauser- multiple witnesses heard Dylan ask Eric if Daniel had tried to jump him. But I don't know if anyone actually saw what happened, is there a report of that?
This thread has a couple of witness statements about Daniel Mauser.
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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:39 pm

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Why cant we see Dylan going in to the cafeteria on the cctv footage? Is it because the placement of the camera is so that he came in from the back of the camera or is it because it changed camera to one where he wasn't visible just when he walked in?

And why does it change camera? why not just have constant footage on all of them? I dont get it

Dylan walked in the cafeteria near the soda machines which were out of the camera's view. It still shocks me how much of the school they traversed and did absolutely nothing. Maybe they were truly just done...
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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:07 pm

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Regarding Daniel Mauser- multiple witnesses heard Dylan ask Eric if Daniel had tried to jump him. But I don't know if anyone actually saw what happened, is there a report of that?
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Thanks for posting this. I still couldn't find anything to confirm if people actually saw Danial shove/kick/nudge the chair as an attempt to "jump" Eric though.

Actually from what I gathered from those two reports it seems even less likely that Danial had tried to attack/jump Eric.

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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:07 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:13 pm

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Regarding Daniel Mauser- multiple witnesses heard Dylan ask Eric if Daniel had tried to jump him. But I don't know if anyone actually saw what happened, is there a report of that?
This thread has a couple of witness statements about Daniel Mauser.
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Thanks for posting this. I still couldn't find anything to confirm if people actually saw Danial shove/kick/nudge the chair as an attempt to "jump" Eric though.

Actually from what I gathered from those two reports it seems even less likely that Danial had tried to attack/jump Eric.
It's hard to say what happened from those accounts.

Those were only reports about Daniel that mention a "kick" because that's what the thread that I linked was about. Maybe [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] has excerpts detailing other accounts from people who saw what happened with Daniel.
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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:17 pm

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Regarding Daniel Mauser- multiple witnesses heard Dylan ask Eric if Daniel had tried to jump him. But I don't know if anyone actually saw what happened, is there a report of that?
This thread has a couple of witness statements about Daniel Mauser.
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Thanks for posting this. I still couldn't find anything to confirm if people actually saw Danial shove/kick/nudge the chair as an attempt to "jump" Eric though.

Actually from what I gathered from those two reports it seems even less likely that Danial had tried to attack/jump Eric.
It's hard to say what happened from those accounts.

Those were only reports about Daniel that mention a "kick" because that's what the thread I linked was about. Maybe [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] has excerpts detailing other accounts from people who saw what happened with Daniel.


Hopefully he can point me in the right direction if not save me completely from having to go over all those witness reports!  Haha

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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:10 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:12 pm

Even if Daniel didn't jump them it's still possible that out of the 500+ kids there that day one of them would have it in them to jump them alone.

With a guy like Seung Cho I can understand more because he had 2 guns and ammo just ready to go. He also didn't play around like Eric and Dylan.
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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:23 am

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Even if Daniel didn't jump them it's still possible that out of the 500+ kids there that day one of them would have it in them to jump them alone.

With a guy like Seung Cho I can understand more because he had 2 guns and ammo just ready to go. He also didn't play around like Eric and Dylan.



Yes it is possible that someone in that school very well could have jumped Eric or Dylan, but no one did. Some say Danial may have tried, but that is still up for debate in my opinion.

I agree that Cho was like death stalking, he would have dropped anyone who tried to jump him.



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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:24 am

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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:27 am

I don't think anyone had enough time to react in a proactive way against E&D. Since there were two gunmen, I imagine anyone who wanted to jump one of them realized the other would just shoot them. It would have had to be two or more students acting together IMO.
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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:37 am

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I don't think anyone had enough time to react in a proactive way against E&D. Since there were two gunmen, I imagine anyone who wanted to jump one of them realized the other would just shoot them. It would have had to be two or more students acting together IMO.


I agree. Most kids in that library were probably to scared to remember their own name. It's highly doubtful any would have had the nerve or mental capacity in the moment to try to organize others in an attempt to disarm or subdue Eric or Dylan.

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PostSubject: Re: Video of Eric and Dylan's exact movements during the massacre.    Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:38 am

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So... I'm actually the creator of this video Shocked
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Thank you so much it was very insightful!
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