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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Sun Dec 24, 2017 1:53 am

Thanks. It's still rough sometimes, thinking about what happened to him.

And well my opinions and beliefs are based on numerous questions. I'm at work now and can't get into everything tonight but I can tomorrow but my opinions and beliefs regarding Columbine are based off the following questions:

1. Why did more than one hundred eye-witnesses and earwitnesses to the attacks believe that multiple perpetrators were involved? Why did more than forty of these witnesses identify other suspects by name?

2. Why did numerous witnesses report hearing fully automatic fire?

3. Why did at least 35 witnesses hear shooting and explosions in the school after the gunmen had purportedly "committed suicide"?

4. Why was the gun Klebold supposedly used to kill himself found in his right hand, even though the wound was in the left temple and he was left-handed? Why was the shotgun Harris supposedly used to kill himself seen under his leg in photographs?

5. Why did investigators ignore so many compelling leads that suggested a wider conspiracy?

6. Why did police concentrate on "setting up a perimeter" around the school when dispatch was hearing the sounds of gunshots in the school? Why did police take such a long time to enter the school, and why after entry did they wait three hours to enter the library where the shooters had last been seen? Were they really, as Sheriff John Stone indicated, "outgunned" by two teenagers who could not aim? Why were other emergency personnel told that they would be shot if they tried to enter? Why was a police sniper with a clear shot on Klebold given an order not to fire?

7. Why did teacher Dave Sanders, who students were able to keep alive for three hours, die within twenty minutes of being taken into police custody? Why did they take so long to locate him when students were urgently telling them his location? Why was his shirt taken off?

8. Why did two teens who, contrary to public belief, were not bullied, had many friends, and were not psychopathic destroy their own lives and those of at least twelve other students and one teacher only six weeks before graduation?

9. If Harris and Klebold knew they were almost certainly going to be killed, why did both make plans for after the massacre? Why did Harris continue to do schoolwork and keep his grades up until the date of the attack? Why was Klebold telling others how excited he was to attend college in Arizona? Why did Klebold say on tape at prom night: * "Dad, we're going to laugh about this in 20 years"? Why did Harris make plans with old friends in New York for that summer, and tell at least one online friend about these plans? Why did Harris ask a teacher for help with an English essay days before the massacre? Why did he put his schedule in to work for the week *after the massacre?

10. Where is the evidence from gun shot residue tests on Harris, Klebold and the other suspects? Why were fingerprints from Harris and Klebold only found on two of the hundreds of pieces of evidence taken into possession. Whose fingerprints - if any - were on the many bombs and weapons found?

11. How were Harris and Klebold able to secretly transfer 99 explosive devices - by some accounts more than 120 - into the school? How were able to position them inside several vehicles - not their own - near the school? Who owned these cars and when and how were they cleared of involvement?

12. Why is it considered fact that Harris and Klebold placed the 'diversionary' bombs that exploded at South Wadsworth when there isn't any evidence at all that they did? No physical evidence linking them to this blast has been produced, nor have any witnesses placed them at the scene. One witness reportedly saw David Caravan, a member of the Trench Coat Mafia, fleeing the blast site with a smile on his face. An unidentified "transient" was discovered hiding in a nearby storm drain. Others spoke of a mysterious "survey crew" that "moved the backpacks" and may have placed them themselves.

13. Why did authorities claim that the two shotguns recovered did not have serial numbers when in fact they did? Why did they make no attempt to find out who sold the Hi-Point 9mm rifle and the pump-action shotgun used in the attack?

14. Are persistent rumours that the school administration was warned based in truth? Why was Principal Frank DeAngelis running up and down the interior cafeteria stairs almost immediately before the shooting started?

15. Was there indeed a 'fire drill' scheduled for later in the day, as one science teacher told his class? Were bomb threats called into the school that morning, as two sources claimed - one of whom told the news that morning and later died in a highly suspicious plane collision? Why did one special ed student make comments about "bombs in the trash can" the day before?

16. Why didn't the Final Report of the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office state that the suspects never entered science rooms 1 and 8, despite the fact that shell casings were recovered in both locations?

17. Why didn't the Final Report of the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office make no mention of the brief exit of a gunman on the eastern side of the building, as seen by many witnesses?

18. Why did police warn students of a gunman positioned on the roof if it was simply a "repairman"? Why did witnesses see two men on the roof and why did the students see him aiming what looked like a rifle? Why has Chris Clarke told three completely different stories about where he was when the shooting started and two about what he was at Columbine High to do that day? Why did he fail to recognize his own service van when he was rescued by Denver Police Officer Wayne DePew, who reportedly commandeered it - the keys were conveniently left in the ignition - and used it to rescue Clarke? Why did no other officers see this rescue, including the ones Officer DePew claims to have been with? Is it simply coincidence that Officer DePew's son attended Columbine High, witnessed disturbing, mysterious activities in the school, and was died in a strange 'accident' in New Mexico in 2013?

19. Is it simply coincidence that "crisis training drills" were held at Columbine High in the weeks before the attack? What was the nature of this training and who scheduled it?

20. Why were at least one police officer and one sheriff's deputy already at the school when the shooting started? Was the maintenance man in Clement Park, Dick Clark, correct when he claimed that he observed "an undercover cop" in the park before the shooting?

21. Why is it frequently claimed that there were no security cameras in the library or administration areas when many witnesses saw such cameras? Why does local media refuse to release their on-scene video footage from the first half-hour of the attack?

22. Where is the evidence taken from the computers of members of the Trench Coat Mafia? Where are the scores of missing interviews with students, including many of those in the science hall where some saw a gunman who appeared to be *"in his thirties"? Why are thousands of pages of investigatory material - including hundreds of reports and tips from witnesses unconnected with Columbine - still sealed?

23. Why has the school district's own report on the massacre, which included the extensive disciplinary records of the members of the Trench Coat Mafia, remained sealed to this day?

24. Why was no attempt made to interview Eric Harris' psychologist, who prescribed him Luvox? Why was no attempt made to analyze "white pills" discovered in Klebold's room? Is it a coincidence that Sgt. Randy West was the man who instructed officers to follow neither lead, and is it also a coincidence that "Sgt. West" does this in many other instances throughout the files?

25. Why did investigators show absolutely no interest in the fact that many planned attacks on schools were surfacing in the Denver area and around the country during this same time period? Why were so many of these plans made in advance of the attacks?

26. Why did the FBI and the ATF immediately become involved? Why were all but one of the "investigatory" teams headed or co-headed by an FBI agent, with the exception headed by a "former" FBI agent who was now with the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI)? Was the crime scene "federalized" soon after the initiation of the attacks, under powers granted by the Anti-Terrorism Act signed by President Bill Clinton in the wake of the Oklahoma City Bombing and precisely three years before on April 20, 1996?

27. Why was top FBI psychologist Dwayne Fuselier, whose sons attended Columbine High and involved with the Trench Coat Mafia, selected to head the investigation? Even though his sons produced a video for video class in 1997 with members of the Trench Coat Mafia, including suspect Brooks Brown, featuring four trench-coated gunmen shooting through the halls of the school before blowing it up? Why didn't he recuse himself from the investigation and why did his superiors openly refuse to remove him? Is it simply coincidence that Fuselier was a key 'negotiator' at both the Waco and Montana Freemen sieges, both of which involved acts of severe brutality by federal law enforcement?

28. Why was the U.S. Attorney's Office consulted on "prosecutive decisions" with regard to the massacre - a local crime?

29. Why did personnel from the LAPD and the L.A. Sheriff's Office travel to the scene afterward? What was the subject of a ten-minute call between the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office and the NYPD on the day of the massacre?

30. Why did two high-ranking military officers - a colonel and a general - appear on scene in camouflage uniforms? Why was the memorial service - held at a public park - ringed with military trucks? Who authorized a group of military jets to do a flyover and why?

31. Why did the Federal Emergency Management Agency hold a four-day "disaster training course" eighteen months before the massacre and "designed specially to adress the needs of Jefferson County," for future sheriff John Stone and other county officials?

32. Is it coincidence that the episode of The Promised Land on CBS scheduled for that week featured a kid firing a gun in front of a Denver high school? Is it coincidence that the episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer on WB for that week featured a plan by a student gunman to kill everyone at his school? Is it a coincidence that MTV scheduled a program called Warning Signs, produced by the Justice Department, which was about violence and its effect on young people, to air two days after the massacre? Is it a coincidence that the History Channel had scheduled a program called Slaughter at Schools for May 10?

33. When ABC's 20/20 did a show about the disturbing "death education" programs in the early nineties, was it simply a coincidence that they featured Columbine High School
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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:10 am

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Well, I'm sure this won't be agreed with but I've always said and I will always say, there's something not right about the relationship between Eric and Wayne and Kathy. I don't think Eric was physically abused but I wholeheartedly believed he was emotionally and mentally abused, especially considering Wayne specifically was Eric's handler. I believe a lot of the mental issues concerning Eric came from programming.....But I won't get into that but yeah, I too saw the way Eric spoke in Hitmen For Hire, it was as if he heard that type of vile screaming before and he was just reciting what he heard his father say.

As far as Eric saying that his parents' were the best ever, well that doesn't mean anything. Women who are abused by men, rather it be physically, verbally, emotionally or otherwise, they almost always say, "yeah but he's a great guy though and I love him", despite the fact that the guy is verbally or mentally or emotionally abusing them. So the fact that Eric said his parents' were the best ever doesn't mean anything to me. Some kids are abused (verbally, emotionally and in other ways) and they see their parent(s) as the good people still because the kids think they deserve or "deserved" the abuse.

Anyway, yeah, there's so much more to the Eric-Wayne-Kathy and even the Eric-Wayne-Kathy-Kevin dynamic that the public doesn't know about and perhaps that's the reason why Wayne and Kathy and even Kevin don't do public interviews. It's one big secret that Eric can't come back and reveal (now that's he's been to the other side and has collected a new way of thinking and seeing things) and Wayne, Kathy and Kevin won't ever talk about. Just my opinion on it.

You believe in the theory that eric was under MK ultra mind control that was done to him by his father because of his military connections? interesting.

one of the boys at rampart range video i forgot his name his dad works at FBI i found out . and Chris morris mother as cop/sheriff .
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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:43 am

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I do believe that Wayne and Kathy were good parents to Eric. They may not have been the most loving/nurturing, but don't you think Eric would have said something about their emotional abuse if he knew he was going to die? He had nothing to lose.  

Their lives were scrutinized inside and out after the shooting, do you think we would have heard if they found Eric was treated poorly by his parents? I just don't see it...

well Eric was alone when he died they didnt take care of their child he didnt have a funeral. Therefore they hired private investigators what to do with his body.
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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:12 am

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I do believe that Wayne and Kathy were good parents to Eric. They may not have been the most loving/nurturing, but don't you think Eric would have said something about their emotional abuse if he knew he was going to die? He had nothing to lose.  

Their lives were scrutinized inside and out after the shooting, do you think we would have heard if they found Eric was treated poorly by his parents? I just don't see it...

well Eric was alone when he died they didnt take care of their child he didnt have a funeral. Therefore they hired private investigators what to do with his body.

Sue almost didn't have a funeral for Dylan and had to be pretty much talked into it. It was not a normal situation and there was a lot of anger in the community and confusion for the parents who were still trying to cope. I agree they should have had a funeral for him but we can only speculate as to their reasoning for things. I do get the feeling though that they would rather put Eric and Columbine behind them unlike Sue who has made talking about it part of her life.
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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:25 am

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Well, I'm sure this won't be agreed with but I've always said and I will always say, there's something not right about the relationship between Eric and Wayne and Kathy. I don't think Eric was physically abused but I wholeheartedly believed he was emotionally and mentally abused, especially considering Wayne specifically was Eric's handler. I believe a lot of the mental issues concerning Eric came from programming.....But I won't get into that but yeah, I too saw the way Eric spoke in Hitmen For Hire, it was as if he heard that type of vile screaming before and he was just reciting what he heard his father say.

As far as Eric saying that his parents' were the best ever, well that doesn't mean anything. Women who are abused by men, rather it be physically, verbally, emotionally or otherwise, they almost always say, "yeah but he's a great guy though and I love him", despite the fact that the guy is verbally or mentally or emotionally abusing them. So the fact that Eric said his parents' were the best ever doesn't mean anything to me. Some kids are abused (verbally, emotionally and in other ways) and they see their parent(s) as the good people still because the kids think they deserve or "deserved" the abuse.

Anyway, yeah, there's so much more to the Eric-Wayne-Kathy and even the Eric-Wayne-Kathy-Kevin dynamic that the public doesn't know about and perhaps that's the reason why Wayne and Kathy and even Kevin don't do public interviews. It's one big secret that Eric can't come back and reveal (now that's he's been to the other side and has collected a new way of thinking and seeing things) and Wayne, Kathy and Kevin won't ever talk about. Just my opinion on it.

You believe in the theory that eric was under MK ultra mind control that was done to him by his father because of his military connections? interesting.

Well...I didn't want to put it out there because it's often ridiculed but yes, yes I absolutely do. I do believe that Eric was a victim of MK Ultra programming. I 500% believe that, because a friend of mine was a victim of MK Ultra, he had all the traits that Eric had - angry, violent, looked at life as if it were a violent video game or an ongoing war, he had the violent dreams and nightmares, and then his MK Ultra mind programming became so bad that went onto a Navy yard in America - Washington, D.C. and shot a few others and then was taken out by the police after he finished the MK Ultra mission that he was programmed to commit. Like Eric, he also carved weird messages on his gun, messages that pertained to MK Ultra. He used to tell me (when I traveled to the U.S. to see him on occasion), and his few other friends how he felt like the government was trying to get into his mind and he was tired of it, he was tired of being victimized as a guinea pig under MK Ultra. Also Eric named one of his guns "Arlene" and the word "Arlene" is something very connected to MK Ultra. "Arlene" is an MK Ultra mind controlling personality that is sometimes created within a person being put under MK Ultra. One model I heard of was programmed with the MK Ultra personality "Arlene" within her and whenever she turned into "Arlene", she became dangerously vicious, to where she tried to strangle her husband in a professional, military-style manner.

My friend was under MK Ultra control and if they can do it to him, they can do it to anyone. Some people don't believe this, because you know, they still believe Oswald killed Kennedy and that UFO's are nice little creatures like in that American, comedy show Third Rock From The Sun and that DIA is just a beautiful, little airport simply for traveling, but like I said, I had a friend who was under MK Ultra for years and so I know what the government does and how they operate, and by Wayne being in the military and working at and having dealings with one of the bases that was deeply involved in MK Ultra in New York (even long after the base had closed), yeah everything about Eric screamed MK Ultra mind programming victim (I believe Dylan was under MK Ultra as well because he often talked about life being like a dream and he also talked about dreams and visions he had - which is a trait that's common in MK Ultra dissociative disorder). This is why I can't feel hate or animosity towards Eric and Dylan regarding what they did, because I know that when people said on 4/20 that E&D were there shooting - but they seemed out of it, I know what that means, it was them but then again, it wasn't them. Then to end their MK Ultra mission, they killed themselves - like many MK Ultra programmed killers do.

So yeah, to answer your reply, I wholeheartedly believe Eric and Dylan were under MK Ultra programming, this is why we will never, ever see the basement tapes, this is why almost everything else regarding the crime case of Columbine has been sealed. It's one big secret and we the public aren't suppose to know about it.....

Now call me crazy, nut, I don't care but I believe this wholeheartedly and I always will because again, I've seen what MK Ultra is firsthand and that shit is fucking scary but it's so damn real.

You don't want to face the fact that your crush killed people willingly and with pleasure so you grasp for batshit crazy excuses so you can live in your own warped fantasy. What was that line Eric used to say? "Fucking pathetic."?

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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:54 am

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Well, I'm sure this won't be agreed with but I've always said and I will always say, there's something not right about the relationship between Eric and Wayne and Kathy. I don't think Eric was physically abused but I wholeheartedly believed he was emotionally and mentally abused, especially considering Wayne specifically was Eric's handler. I believe a lot of the mental issues concerning Eric came from programming.....But I won't get into that but yeah, I too saw the way Eric spoke in Hitmen For Hire, it was as if he heard that type of vile screaming before and he was just reciting what he heard his father say.

As far as Eric saying that his parents' were the best ever, well that doesn't mean anything. Women who are abused by men, rather it be physically, verbally, emotionally or otherwise, they almost always say, "yeah but he's a great guy though and I love him", despite the fact that the guy is verbally or mentally or emotionally abusing them. So the fact that Eric said his parents' were the best ever doesn't mean anything to me. Some kids are abused (verbally, emotionally and in other ways) and they see their parent(s) as the good people still because the kids think they deserve or "deserved" the abuse.

Anyway, yeah, there's so much more to the Eric-Wayne-Kathy and even the Eric-Wayne-Kathy-Kevin dynamic that the public doesn't know about and perhaps that's the reason why Wayne and Kathy and even Kevin don't do public interviews. It's one big secret that Eric can't come back and reveal (now that's he's been to the other side and has collected a new way of thinking and seeing things) and Wayne, Kathy and Kevin won't ever talk about. Just my opinion on it.

You believe in the theory that eric was under MK ultra mind control that was done to him by his father because of his military connections? interesting.

Well...I didn't want to put it out there because it's often ridiculed but yes, yes I absolutely do. I do believe that Eric was a victim of MK Ultra programming. I 500% believe that, because a friend of mine was a victim of MK Ultra, he had all the traits that Eric had - angry, violent, looked at life as if it were a violent video game or an ongoing war, he had the violent dreams and nightmares, and then his MK Ultra mind programming became so bad that went onto a Navy yard in America - Washington, D.C. and shot a few others and then was taken out by the police after he finished the MK Ultra mission that he was programmed to commit. Like Eric, he also carved weird messages on his gun, messages that pertained to MK Ultra. He used to tell me (when I traveled to the U.S. to see him on occasion), and his few other friends how he felt like the government was trying to get into his mind and he was tired of it, he was tired of being victimized as a guinea pig under MK Ultra. Also Eric named one of his guns "Arlene" and the word "Arlene" is something very connected to MK Ultra. "Arlene" is an MK Ultra mind controlling personality that is sometimes created within a person being put under MK Ultra. One model I heard of was programmed with the MK Ultra personality "Arlene" within her and whenever she turned into "Arlene", she became dangerously vicious, to where she tried to strangle her husband in a professional, military-style manner.

My friend was under MK Ultra control and if they can do it to him, they can do it to anyone. Some people don't believe this, because you know, they still believe Oswald killed Kennedy and that UFO's are nice little creatures like in that American, comedy show Third Rock From The Sun and that DIA is just a beautiful, little airport simply for traveling, but like I said, I had a friend who was under MK Ultra for years and so I know what the government does and how they operate, and by Wayne being in the military and working at and having dealings with one of the bases that was deeply involved in MK Ultra in New York (even long after the base had closed), yeah everything about Eric screamed MK Ultra mind programming victim (I believe Dylan was under MK Ultra as well because he often talked about life being like a dream and he also talked about dreams and visions he had - which is a trait that's common in MK Ultra dissociative disorder). This is why I can't feel hate or animosity towards Eric and Dylan regarding what they did, because I know that when people said on 4/20 that E&D were there shooting - but they seemed out of it, I know what that means, it was them but then again, it wasn't them. Then to end their MK Ultra mission, they killed themselves - like many MK Ultra programmed killers do.

So yeah, to answer your reply, I wholeheartedly believe Eric and Dylan were under MK Ultra programming, this is why we will never, ever see the basement tapes, this is why almost everything else regarding the crime case of Columbine has been sealed. It's one big secret and we the public aren't suppose to know about it.....

Now call me crazy, nut, I don't care but I believe this wholeheartedly and I always will because again, I've seen what MK Ultra is firsthand and that shit is fucking scary but it's so damn real.

You don't want to face the fact that your crush killed people willingly and with pleasure so you grasp for batshit crazy excuses so you can live in your own warped fantasy. What was that line Eric used to say? "Fucking pathetic."?

My crush? You sound like so incredibly foolish. I have a crush on two teens who are dead, oh yeah, I fucking have a hard on every night to Dylan and Eric's picture. You sound stupid. A crush on them? No, you silly person. What I do have is a crush on wanting to know the TRUTH.

I guess I have a crush on Ted Kaczynsky who was also an MK ULTRA PROGRAMMED killer or a woman named Cathy O'Brien who went through numerous  MK ULTRA MIND CONTROLLED programming abuse and who (along with another woman named Svali, who even SAID that Eric and Dylan were programmed under MK Ultra to KILLL). I could give a shit if Eric and Dylan, Dylan and Eric were ugly, cute, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, men or women, it doesn't matter. Eric and Dylan could have been two teens who looked like wolfman, it wouldn't matter. What matters is trying to find out the REAL reason why in over eighteen years, almost ALL evidence regarding the massacre has STILL not been released, why in eighteen years, there's more secrets and bizarre and suspicious mysteries about Columbine than there are answers. Because I mean, damn, maybe I'm crazy but I know damn well people can't honestly say that the Columbine tragedy happened because Eric was fucking crazy nut and Dylan was a fucking depressed asshole. People can't honestly think that there's nothing more to it than that, from the fact that both Eric and Dylan were CREMATED, to the fact of a few people AT the school ON 4/20 stating they saw MI6 on the damn scene of the school - MI6! But right, those few people are all crazy people who probably just have crushes on E&D too right? How about the people who reported on the fact that they were fired at (not by the shooters though mind you) when they tried to leave the school? Are those people just ones who have crushes on E&D too? Hmm?

No, I believe there's more to the Columbine tragedy and a few others believe it as well. There are two many factors to show otherwise. There are MORE facts to show that there's more secret shit that JeffCO and the militarized city of Littleton, Colorado (a town that has VERY close ties to Lockheed Martin - and that is KNOWN to be the damn testing ground for numerous mind control experiments). But I guess I'm just making that up out of my damn ass right? So don't try to use Eric's "fucking pathetic" line on me because if you ask me, we're doing a HUGE disservice to not only E&D by not finding out the truth (which is that they were programmed by FORCE to kill) AND we're doing a disservice to the 13 innocent children who were killed that day byt not finding out the REAL truth.

So please go ahead with that bull. I just want to know the truth like everyone else, but not this watered down "Dylan was depressed and an asshole and Eric was a nutcase" truth that we've been handed. I think it's owed to not Eric and Dylan but to the damn 13 people who were killed that day to know the TRUTH. That HALF of these thirteen people had no idea that what happened was done to them by more than just two people and that the people were PROGRAMMED by FORCE to do so by the American government.

Now if you want, I would be glad to post numerous findings after findings that I have found that shows that this tragedy is more than just a psycho and a depressed emo going on a crazed kill - but YOU won't want to see that will ya? Because you just love your government because you really believe the Government would never do something like MK Ultra on ordinary citizens right? LOL Fool...


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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:05 am

I think most people on this forum believe Columbine was more than a psychopath and a depressed follower. And as for those outside the forum who don't study it in-depth, the biggest misconception is that it was solely because of bullying or movies and music. I don't think there has been one narrative that has been pushed by everyone.

JeffCo has been heavily heavily scrutinized for how they handled this case. IMO no one in this community would "cover up" for them or ignore blatant evidence of the caliber that you are suggesting.
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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:08 am

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I think most people on this forum believe Columbine was more than a psychopath and a depressed follower. And as for those outside the forum who don't study it in-depth, the biggest misconception is that it was solely because of bullying or movies and music. I don't think there has been one narrative that has been pushed by everyone.

JeffCo has been heavily heavily scrutinized for how they handled this case. IMO no one in this community would "cover up" for them or ignore blatant evidence of the caliber that you are suggesting.

Agreed.

I do question the gun in Dylan's right hand though. However, I think that was talked about.

The whole "planning' for the future. Depressed people do that, people who want to cover stuff up will act normal and make plans and what not.

People who don't research the case chalk it up to a simple answer, but there is so much more to it, hence why we are still talking about it close to 20 years later.
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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:14 am

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My crush? You sound like so incredibly foolish. I have a crush on two teens who are dead, oh yeah, I fucking have a hard on every night to Dylan and Eric's picture. You sound stupid. A crush on them? No, you silly person. What I do have is a crush on wanting to know the TRUTH.

I guess I have a crush on Ted Kaczynsky who was also an MK ULTRA PROGRAMMED killer or a woman named Cathy O'Brien who went through numerous MK ULTRA MIND CONTROLLED programming abuse and who (along with another woman named Svali, who even SAID that Eric and Dylan were programmed under MK Ultra to KILLL). I could give a shit if Eric and Dylan, Dylan and Eric were ugly, cute, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, men or women, it doesn't matter. Eric and Dylan could have been two teens who looked like wolfman, it wouldn't matter. What matters is trying to find out the REAL reason why in over eighteen years, almost ALL evidence regarding the massacre has STILL not been released, why in eighteen years, there's more secrets and bizarre and suspicious mysteries about Columbine than there are answers. Because I mean, damn, maybe I'm crazy but I know damn well people can't honestly say that the Columbine tragedy happened because Eric was fucking crazy nut and Dylan was a fucking depressed asshole. People can't honestly think that there's nothing more to it than that, from the fact that both Eric and Dylan were CREMATED, to the fact of a few people AT the school ON 4/20 stating they saw MI6 on the damn scene of the school - MI6! But right, those few people are all crazy people who probably just have crushes on E&D too right? How about the people who reported on the fact that they were fired at (not by the shooters though mind you) when they tried to leave the school? Are those people just ones who have crushes on E&D too? Hmm?

No, I believe there's more to the Columbine tragedy and a few others believe it as well. There are two many factors to show otherwise. There are MORE facts to show that there's more secret shit that JeffCO and the militarized city of Littleton, Colorado (a town that has VERY close ties to Lockheed Martin - and that is KNOWN to be the damn testing ground for numerous mind control experiments). But I guess I'm just making that up out of my damn ass right? So don't try to use Eric's "fucking pathetic" line on me because if you ask me, we're doing a HUGE disservice to not only E&D by not finding out the truth (which is that they were programmed by FORCE to kill) AND we're doing a disservice to the 13 innocent children who were killed that day byt not finding out the REAL truth.

So please go ahead with that bull. I just want to know the truth like everyone else, but not this watered down "Dylan was depressed and an asshole and Eric was a nutcase" truth that we've been handed. I think it's owed to not Eric and Dylan but to the damn 13 people who were killed that day to know the TRUTH. That HALF of these thirteen people had no idea that what happened was done to them by more than just two people and that the people were PROGRAMMED by FORCE to do so by the American government.

Now if you want, I would be glad to post numerous findings after findings that I have found that shows that this tragedy is more than just a psycho and a depressed emo going on a crazed kill - but YOU won't want to see that will ya? Because you just love your government because you really believe the Government would never do something like MK Ultra on ordinary citizens right? LOL Fool...

Oh my lord are you retarded. And I don't want your schizophrenic findings because I don't want to start a full-blown debate with you on how ridiculous you are. And I don't love any government, In fact, I'm almost against governments, period. I'm aware MK Ultra was a very real thing but to think that It's still going on is paranoia and stupidity. Which I won't even bother to try and argue against because you'll find ANYTHING to support your theory and I'll just throw facts and common sense back. And because you aren't open to new ideas and won't admit fault it will just go on and on and on and on for nothing.

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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:32 am

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My crush? You sound like so incredibly foolish. I have a crush on two teens who are dead, oh yeah, I fucking have a hard on every night to Dylan and Eric's picture. You sound stupid. A crush on them? No, you silly person. What I do have is a crush on wanting to know the TRUTH.

I guess I have a crush on Ted Kaczynsky who was also an MK ULTRA PROGRAMMED killer or a woman named Cathy O'Brien who went through numerous  MK ULTRA MIND CONTROLLED programming abuse and who (along with another woman named Svali, who even SAID that Eric and Dylan were programmed under MK Ultra to KILLL). I could give a shit if Eric and Dylan, Dylan and Eric were ugly, cute, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, men or women, it doesn't matter. Eric and Dylan could have been two teens who looked like wolfman, it wouldn't matter. What matters is trying to find out the REAL reason why in over eighteen years, almost ALL evidence regarding the massacre has STILL not been released, why in eighteen years, there's more secrets and bizarre and suspicious mysteries about Columbine than there are answers. Because I mean, damn, maybe I'm crazy but I know damn well people can't honestly say that the Columbine tragedy happened because Eric was fucking crazy nut and Dylan was a fucking depressed asshole. People can't honestly think that there's nothing more to it than that, from the fact that both Eric and Dylan were CREMATED, to the fact of a few people AT the school ON 4/20 stating they saw MI6 on the damn scene of the school - MI6! But right, those few people are all crazy people who probably just have crushes on E&D too right? How about the people who reported on the fact that they were fired at (not by the shooters though mind you) when they tried to leave the school? Are those people just ones who have crushes on E&D too? Hmm?

No, I believe there's more to the Columbine tragedy and a few others believe it as well. There are two many factors to show otherwise. There are MORE facts to show that there's more secret shit that JeffCO and the militarized city of Littleton, Colorado (a town that has VERY close ties to Lockheed Martin - and that is KNOWN to be the damn testing ground for numerous mind control experiments). But I guess I'm just making that up out of my damn ass right? So don't try to use Eric's "fucking pathetic" line on me because if you ask me, we're doing a HUGE disservice to not only E&D by not finding out the truth (which is that they were programmed by FORCE to kill) AND we're doing a disservice to the 13 innocent children who were killed that day byt not finding out the REAL truth.

So please go ahead with that bull. I just want to know the truth like everyone else, but not this watered down "Dylan was depressed and an asshole and Eric was a nutcase" truth that we've been handed. I think it's owed to not Eric and Dylan but to the damn 13 people who were killed that day to know the TRUTH. That HALF of these thirteen people had no idea that what happened was done to them by more than just two people and that the people were PROGRAMMED by FORCE to do so by the American government.

Now if you want, I would be glad to post numerous findings after findings that I have found that shows that this tragedy is more than just a psycho and a depressed emo going on a crazed kill - but YOU won't want to see that will ya? Because you just love your government because you really believe the Government would never do something like MK Ultra on ordinary citizens right? LOL Fool...

Oh my lord are you retarded. And I don't want your schizophrenic findings because I don't want to start a full-blown debate with you on how ridiculous you are. And I don't love any government, In fact, I'm almost against governments, period. I'm aware MK Ultra was a very real thing but to think that It's still going on is paranoia and stupidity. Which I won't even bother to try and argue against because you'll find ANYTHING to support your theory and I'll just throw facts and common sense back. And because you aren't open to new ideas and won't admit fault it will just go on and on and on and on for nothing.


Well you know what? Fuck you, I could care less what YOU believe mmkay? To NOT think that Eric and Dylan were NOT under MK ULTRA is DUMB but then looking at your profile picture, I can see dumb jackass written all over it. So keep believing that Eric and Dylan were NOT under MK Ultra and that it was just psycho behavior, bullying and metal music that did this. If you were aware that MK Ultra was a REAL THING, you would know FOOL the traits of an MK ULTRA PROGRAMMED KILLER - WHICH YOU DO NOT because ERIC AND DYLAN HAD REAL TRAITS OF BEING MK ULTRA PROGRAMMED KILLERS. I studied MK Ultra for FIFTEEN YEARS so I KNOW what MK Ultra is INSIDE AND OUT. Have YOU? Nah, I bet not, you probably heard about MK Ultra while living in your mother's basement in your damn Star Wars tighty whities while eating cereal out the damn box, boy, girl - whoever the hell you are, PLEASE go somewhere with your bullshit ok?

So believe what you want. I will not even bother trying to educate you as it is obvious your IQ and brain smarts are the equivalent of fried, molded eggs. Conversation over, I'm done fuck face. *drops the mic and walks the fuck off the stage*
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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:38 am

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Well you know what? Fuck you, I could care less what YOU believe mmkay? To NOT think that Eric and Dylan were NOT under MK ULTRA is DUMB but then looking at your profile picture, I can see dumb jackass written all over it. So keep believing that Eric and Dylan were NOT under MK Ultra and that it was just psycho behavior, bullying and metal music that did this. If you were aware that MK Ultra was a REAL THING, you would know FOOL the traits of an MK ULTRA PROGRAMMED KILLER - WHICH YOU DO NOT because ERIC AND DYLAN HAD REAL TRAITS OF BEING MK ULTRA PROGRAMMED KILLERS. I studied MK Ultra for FIFTEEN YEARS so I KNOW what MK Ultra is INSIDE AND OUT. Have YOU? Nah, I bet not, you probably heard about MK Ultra while living in your mother's basement in your damn Star Wars tighty whities while eating cereal out the damn box, boy, girl - whoever the hell you are, PLEASE go somewhere with your bullshit ok?

So believe what you want. I will not even bother trying to educate you as it is obvious your IQ and brain smarts are the equivalent of fried, molded eggs. Conversation over, I'm done fuck face. *drops the mic and walks the fuck off the stage*

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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:40 am

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Well, I'm sure this won't be agreed with but I've always said and I will always say, there's something not right about the relationship between Eric and Wayne and Kathy. I don't think Eric was physically abused but I wholeheartedly believed he was emotionally and mentally abused, especially considering Wayne specifically was Eric's handler. I believe a lot of the mental issues concerning Eric came from programming.....But I won't get into that but yeah, I too saw the way Eric spoke in Hitmen For Hire, it was as if he heard that type of vile screaming before and he was just reciting what he heard his father say.

As far as Eric saying that his parents' were the best ever, well that doesn't mean anything. Women who are abused by men, rather it be physically, verbally, emotionally or otherwise, they almost always say, "yeah but he's a great guy though and I love him", despite the fact that the guy is verbally or mentally or emotionally abusing them. So the fact that Eric said his parents' were the best ever doesn't mean anything to me. Some kids are abused (verbally, emotionally and in other ways) and they see their parent(s) as the good people still because the kids think they deserve or "deserved" the abuse.

Anyway, yeah, there's so much more to the Eric-Wayne-Kathy and even the Eric-Wayne-Kathy-Kevin dynamic that the public doesn't know about and perhaps that's the reason why Wayne and Kathy and even Kevin don't do public interviews. It's one big secret that Eric can't come back and reveal (now that's he's been to the other side and has collected a new way of thinking and seeing things) and Wayne, Kathy and Kevin won't ever talk about. Just my opinion on it.

You believe in the theory that eric was under MK ultra mind control that was done to him by his father because of his military connections? interesting.

Well...I didn't want to put it out there because it's often ridiculed but yes, yes I absolutely do. I do believe that Eric was a victim of MK Ultra programming. I 500% believe that, because a friend of mine was a victim of MK Ultra, he had all the traits that Eric had - angry, violent, looked at life as if it were a violent video game or an ongoing war, he had the violent dreams and nightmares, and then his MK Ultra mind programming became so bad that went onto a Navy yard in America - Washington, D.C. and shot a few others and then was taken out by the police after he finished the MK Ultra mission that he was programmed to commit. Like Eric, he also carved weird messages on his gun, messages that pertained to MK Ultra. He used to tell me (when I traveled to the U.S. to see him on occasion), and his few other friends how he felt like the government was trying to get into his mind and he was tired of it, he was tired of being victimized as a guinea pig under MK Ultra. Also Eric named one of his guns "Arlene" and the word "Arlene" is something very connected to MK Ultra. "Arlene" is an MK Ultra mind controlling personality that is sometimes created within a person being put under MK Ultra. One model I heard of was programmed with the MK Ultra personality "Arlene" within her and whenever she turned into "Arlene", she became dangerously vicious, to where she tried to strangle her husband in a professional, military-style manner.

My friend was under MK Ultra control and if they can do it to him, they can do it to anyone. Some people don't believe this, because you know, they still believe Oswald killed Kennedy and that UFO's are nice little creatures like in that American, comedy show Third Rock From The Sun and that DIA is just a beautiful, little airport simply for traveling, but like I said, I had a friend who was under MK Ultra for years and so I know what the government does and how they operate, and by Wayne being in the military and working at and having dealings with one of the bases that was deeply involved in MK Ultra in New York (even long after the base had closed), yeah everything about Eric screamed MK Ultra mind programming victim (I believe Dylan was under MK Ultra as well because he often talked about life being like a dream and he also talked about dreams and visions he had - which is a trait that's common in MK Ultra dissociative disorder). This is why I can't feel hate or animosity towards Eric and Dylan regarding what they did, because I know that when people said on 4/20 that E&D were there shooting - but they seemed out of it, I know what that means, it was them but then again, it wasn't them. Then to end their MK Ultra mission, they killed themselves - like many MK Ultra programmed killers do.

So yeah, to answer your reply, I wholeheartedly believe Eric and Dylan were under MK Ultra programming, this is why we will never, ever see the basement tapes, this is why almost everything else regarding the crime case of Columbine has been sealed. It's one big secret and we the public aren't suppose to know about it.....

Now call me crazy, nut, I don't care but I believe this wholeheartedly and I always will because again, I've seen what MK Ultra is firsthand and that shit is fucking scary but it's so damn real.

You don't want to face the fact that your crush killed people willingly and with pleasure so you grasp for batshit crazy excuses so you can live in your own warped fantasy. What was that line Eric used to say? "Fucking pathetic."?

My crush? You sound like so incredibly foolish. I have a crush on two teens who are dead, oh yeah, I fucking have a hard on every night to Dylan and Eric's picture. You sound stupid. A crush on them? No, you silly person. What I do have is a crush on wanting to know the TRUTH.

I guess I have a crush on Ted Kaczynsky who was also an MK ULTRA PROGRAMMED killer or a woman named Cathy O'Brien who went through numerous  MK ULTRA MIND CONTROLLED programming abuse and who (along with another woman named Svali, who even SAID that Eric and Dylan were programmed under MK Ultra to KILLL). I could give a shit if Eric and Dylan, Dylan and Eric were ugly, cute, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, men or women, it doesn't matter. Eric and Dylan could have been two teens who looked like wolfman, it wouldn't matter. What matters is trying to find out the REAL reason why in over eighteen years, almost ALL evidence regarding the massacre has STILL not been released, why in eighteen years, there's more secrets and bizarre and suspicious mysteries about Columbine than there are answers. Because I mean, damn, maybe I'm crazy but I know damn well people can't honestly say that the Columbine tragedy happened because Eric was fucking crazy nut and Dylan was a fucking depressed asshole. People can't honestly think that there's nothing more to it than that, from the fact that both Eric and Dylan were CREMATED, to the fact of a few people AT the school ON 4/20 stating they saw MI6 on the damn scene of the school - MI6! But right, those few people are all crazy people who probably just have crushes on E&D too right?  How about the people who reported on the fact that they were fired at (not by the shooters though mind you) when they tried to leave the school? Are those people just ones who have crushes on E&D too? Hmm?

No, I believe there's more to the Columbine tragedy and a few others believe it as well. There are two many factors to show otherwise. There are MORE facts to show that there's more secret shit that JeffCO and the militarized city of Littleton, Colorado (a town that has VERY close ties to Lockheed Martin - and that is KNOWN to be the damn testing ground for numerous mind control experiments). But I guess I'm just making that up out of my damn ass right? So don't try to use Eric's "fucking pathetic" line on me because if you ask me, we're doing a HUGE disservice to not only E&D by not finding out the truth (which is that they were programmed by FORCE to kill) AND we're doing a disservice to the 13 innocent children who were killed that day byt not finding out the REAL truth.

So please go ahead with that bull. I just want to know the truth like everyone else, but not this watered down "Dylan was depressed and an asshole and Eric was a nutcase" truth that we've been handed. I think it's owed to not Eric and Dylan but to the damn 13 people who were killed that day to know the TRUTH. That HALF of these thirteen people had no idea that what happened was done to them by more than just two people and that the people were PROGRAMMED by FORCE to do so by the American government.

Now if you want, I would be glad to post numerous findings after findings that I have found that shows that this tragedy is more than just a psycho and a depressed emo going on a crazed kill - but YOU won't want to see that will ya? Because you just love your government because you really believe the Government would never do something like MK Ultra on ordinary citizens right? LOL Fool...
I'm not taking sides and this technically isn't my jurisdiction on this forum, but please for the love of God try to keep things civil you two. I don't want to have to say this again.
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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:43 am

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Well you know what? Fuck you, I could care less what YOU believe mmkay? To NOT think that Eric and Dylan were NOT under MK ULTRA is DUMB but then looking at your profile picture, I can see dumb jackass written all over it. So keep believing that Eric and Dylan were NOT under MK Ultra and that it was just psycho behavior, bullying and metal music that did this. If you were aware that MK Ultra was a REAL THING, you would know FOOL the traits of an MK ULTRA PROGRAMMED KILLER - WHICH YOU DO NOT because ERIC AND DYLAN HAD REAL TRAITS OF BEING MK ULTRA PROGRAMMED KILLERS. I studied MK Ultra for FIFTEEN YEARS so I KNOW what MK Ultra is INSIDE AND OUT. Have YOU? Nah, I bet not, you probably heard about MK Ultra while living in your mother's basement in your damn Star Wars tighty whities while eating cereal out the damn box, boy, girl - whoever the hell you are, PLEASE go somewhere with your bullshit ok?

So believe what you want. I will not even bother trying to educate you as it is obvious your IQ and brain smarts are the equivalent of fried, molded eggs. Conversation over, I'm done fuck face. *drops the mic and walks the fuck off the stage*
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I mean it.

Personal insults are against this forum's policy but when it comes to punishment it's out of my hands for this section. I will leave it up to Jenn. But for now I want you two to stop sitting here insulting each other's intelligence or integrity.

This isn't some slimey little shithole you can bash each other on. If you want to do that go to 4chan or some other website.


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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:44 am

I'm done with the conversation to be honest. I believe what I believe and the other person believes what they believe, so I'm done....It's over on my end.
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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:48 am

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I'm done with the conversation to be honest. I believe what I believe and the other person believes what they believe, so I'm done....It's over on my end.
Just remember to read over the rules very carefully next time you call someone a name. I understand what it is like to get pissed off but you really should have walked away a while ago.

Mordupen is not innocent and has caused a stir before. The trick is not to feed into that.

Although in my own firm opinion I take whatever someone says with a grain of salt without actual proof. That is not a slight against you but I need evidence you guys have associated with each other, be it logs, phone records, anything to believe it.

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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:49 am

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I mean it.

Personal insults are against this forum's policy but when it comes to punishment it's out of my hands for this section. I will leave it up to Jenn. But for now I want you two to stop sitting here insulting each other's intelligence or integrity.

This isn't some slimey little shithole you can bash each other on. If you want to do that go to 4chan or some other website.

Right, sorry. I kind of got too into that.

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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:13 pm

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My crush? You sound like so incredibly foolish. I have a crush on two teens who are dead, oh yeah, I fucking have a hard on every night to Dylan and Eric's picture. You sound stupid. A crush on them? No, you silly person. What I do have is a crush on wanting to know the TRUTH.

I guess I have a crush on Ted Kaczynsky who was also an MK ULTRA PROGRAMMED killer or a woman named Cathy O'Brien who went through numerous  MK ULTRA MIND CONTROLLED programming abuse and who (along with another woman named Svali, who even SAID that Eric and Dylan were programmed under MK Ultra to KILLL). I could give a shit if Eric and Dylan, Dylan and Eric were ugly, cute, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, men or women, it doesn't matter. Eric and Dylan could have been two teens who looked like wolfman, it wouldn't matter. What matters is trying to find out the REAL reason why in over eighteen years, almost ALL evidence regarding the massacre has STILL not been released, why in eighteen years, there's more secrets and bizarre and suspicious mysteries about Columbine than there are answers. Because I mean, damn, maybe I'm crazy but I know damn well people can't honestly say that the Columbine tragedy happened because Eric was fucking crazy nut and Dylan was a fucking depressed asshole. People can't honestly think that there's nothing more to it than that, from the fact that both Eric and Dylan were CREMATED, to the fact of a few people AT the school ON 4/20 stating they saw MI6 on the damn scene of the school - MI6! But right, those few people are all crazy people who probably just have crushes on E&D too right? How about the people who reported on the fact that they were fired at (not by the shooters though mind you) when they tried to leave the school? Are those people just ones who have crushes on E&D too? Hmm?

No, I believe there's more to the Columbine tragedy and a few others believe it as well. There are two many factors to show otherwise. There are MORE facts to show that there's more secret shit that JeffCO and the militarized city of Littleton, Colorado (a town that has VERY close ties to Lockheed Martin - and that is KNOWN to be the damn testing ground for numerous mind control experiments). But I guess I'm just making that up out of my damn ass right? So don't try to use Eric's "fucking pathetic" line on me because if you ask me, we're doing a HUGE disservice to not only E&D by not finding out the truth (which is that they were programmed by FORCE to kill) AND we're doing a disservice to the 13 innocent children who were killed that day byt not finding out the REAL truth.

So please go ahead with that bull. I just want to know the truth like everyone else, but not this watered down "Dylan was depressed and an asshole and Eric was a nutcase" truth that we've been handed. I think it's owed to not Eric and Dylan but to the damn 13 people who were killed that day to know the TRUTH. That HALF of these thirteen people had no idea that what happened was done to them by more than just two people and that the people were PROGRAMMED by FORCE to do so by the American government.

Now if you want, I would be glad to post numerous findings after findings that I have found that shows that this tragedy is more than just a psycho and a depressed emo going on a crazed kill - but YOU won't want to see that will ya? Because you just love your government because you really believe the Government would never do something like MK Ultra on ordinary citizens right? LOL Fool...

Oh my lord are you retarded. And I don't want your schizophrenic findings because I don't want to start a full-blown debate with you on how ridiculous you are. And I don't love any government, In fact, I'm almost against governments, period. I'm aware MK Ultra was a very real thing but to think that It's still going on is paranoia and stupidity. Which I won't even bother to try and argue against because you'll find ANYTHING to support your theory and I'll just throw facts and common sense back. And because you aren't open to new ideas and won't admit fault it will just go on and on and on and on for nothing.


Well you know what? Fuck you, I could care less what YOU believe mmkay? To NOT think that Eric and Dylan were NOT under MK ULTRA is DUMB but then looking at your profile picture, I can see dumb jackass written all over it. So keep believing that Eric and Dylan were NOT under MK Ultra and that it was just psycho behavior, bullying and metal music that did this. If you were aware that MK Ultra was a REAL THING, you would know FOOL the traits of an MK ULTRA PROGRAMMED KILLER - WHICH YOU DO NOT because ERIC AND DYLAN HAD REAL TRAITS OF BEING MK ULTRA PROGRAMMED KILLERS. I studied MK Ultra for FIFTEEN YEARS so I KNOW what MK Ultra is INSIDE AND OUT. Have YOU? Nah, I bet not, you probably heard about MK Ultra while living in your mother's basement in your damn Star Wars tighty whities while eating cereal out the damn box, boy, girl - whoever the hell you are, PLEASE go somewhere with your bullshit ok?

So believe what you want. I will not even bother trying to educate you as it is obvious your IQ and brain smarts are the equivalent of fried, molded eggs. Conversation over, I'm done fuck face. *drops the mic and walks the fuck off the stage*
I know you're new here and all, but don't be coming on here and telling people "fuck you" or calling someone a "jackass". And honestly, you people with your conspiracy theories are always rude as hell and insult anyone who doesn't agree with you.

This stuff sounds so ridiculous to me that I'm honestly questioning whether you're being serious or just trolling. So don't be getting all mad because someone said they don't agree with you. So are you going to personally insult me too because I don't believe this conspiracy theory stuff?

This is a "DISCUSSION FORUM" and when you start a discussion, be prepared for people to debate you and not agree with you. If you "couldN'T care less" what other people think, then there really is no point in having a discussion now, is there?

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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:43 pm

Ok, so who said a disparaging word first? Me or the other poster? I was ASKED whether I thought Eric was under MK Ultra and I said YES. Perhaps in order to get along with everyone on this forum, I should have lied and said no. I didn't come ON HERE with my conspiracy theories AT ALL. I was ASKED if I believed in the MK Ultra theory and Eric and I said I did. I wasn't "all mad" because someone disagreed with me, I was offended by him calling me retarded (which is an INSULT) and by thinking my theory was based off of me having some crush on two KILLERS which it is NOT.

So but since only one viewpoint is accepted here, then perhaps it is best for me to just keep my damn mouth shut on this forum. My apologies, I thought all viewpoints were welcomed not just ones the forum posters agree with. So I'm sure with this, you'll ban me or what have you because I don't agree with Eric being a crazed nut case and Dylan being a depressive emo.... Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:03 pm

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Ok, so who said a disparaging word first? Me or the other poster? I was ASKED whether I thought Eric was under MK Ultra and I said YES. Perhaps in order to get along with everyone on this forum, I should have lied and said no. I didn't come ON HERE with my conspiracy theories AT ALL. I was ASKED if I believed in the MK Ultra theory and Eric and I said I did. I wasn't "all mad" because someone disagreed with me, I was offended by him calling me retarded (which is an INSULT) and by thinking my theory was based off of me having some crush on two KILLERS which it is NOT.

So but since only one viewpoint is accepted here, then perhaps it is best for me to just keep my damn mouth shut on this forum. My apologies, I thought all viewpoints were welcomed not just ones the forum posters agree with. So I'm sure with this, you'll ban me or what have you because I don't agree with Eric being a crazed nut case and Dylan being a depressive emo.... Rolling Eyes

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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:23 pm

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Ok, so who said a disparaging word first? Me or the other poster? I was ASKED whether I thought Eric was under MK Ultra and I said YES. Perhaps in order to get along with everyone on this forum, I should have lied and said no. I didn't come ON HERE with my conspiracy theories AT ALL. I was ASKED if I believed in the MK Ultra theory and Eric and I said I did. I wasn't "all mad" because someone disagreed with me, I was offended by him calling me retarded (which is an INSULT) and by thinking my theory was based off of me having some crush on two KILLERS which it is NOT.

So but since only one viewpoint is accepted here, then perhaps it is best for me to just keep my damn mouth shut on this forum. My apologies, I thought all viewpoints were welcomed not just ones the forum posters agree with. So I'm sure with this, you'll ban me or what have you because I don't agree with Eric being a crazed nut case and Dylan being a depressive emo.... Rolling Eyes
Where in the heck did I say you couldn't share your opinion and that only one opinion is accepted on here? Did you even read what I said? Like at all? What I SAID was that if you're already so dead set in your opinion that you're not even willing to hear anyone else out, then why have a discussion at all? And from my own personal experience, anyone pushing these conspiracy theories won't even listen to a logical debate. And if I think about all the conspiracy theorists I have ever encountered, they've always been rude and sarcastic, like you.

And you're mad because someone called you a fan? You know how many times I've been called a fan? On the old forum, I was called "the biggest fan on the forum". Not just a fan but actually the biggest fan there. And on the Columbine Facebook page, I'm called a fan on a daily basis. People complaining if I posted a meme or a photoshop picture. People get so offended and call me a fan any time I post something that has to do with Dylan or Eric. I really don't care if I'm called a fan or not. I know that I'm not, so why do I care what someone else thinks?

And if you'd actually read through some of the threads here, you'd know that pretty much a good portion of this forum doesn't think that Eric was a crazed nut case and Dylan the emo follower. In fact, the biggest joke around here is Cullen and his book. Since he's one of the main people who started that rumor. The shooting was actually Dylan's idea. You know that, right?

And if I was gonna ban you, I would have done it already. The reason I addressed you in the thread is to let you know that the things you're saying to people aren't acceptable and not to do it again. If you wanna continue to go on a 2 paragraph rant insulting someone, then yea, I'll ban you. So that's your decision.

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Would you knock it off already. You're not innocent in this either, you know. And I'm getting really tired of having to tell you to knock it off. And I believe I told you that the next time someone complained about you, I'd ban you. Did you forget about that?

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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:49 pm

If I may, I'd like to debate [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in a respectful manner. 

Now I'm not an expert on the massacre and never claimed to be, so some of these questions (specifically # 10 and # 16) are going to go unanswered. I suggest that you ask someone who knows more than me on this subject about the unanswered questions.

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1. Why did more than one hundred eye-witnesses and earwitnesses to the attacks believe that multiple perpetrators were involved? Why did more than forty of these witnesses identify other suspects by name?

2. Why did numerous witnesses report hearing fully automatic fire?

3. Why did at least 35 witnesses hear shooting and explosions in the school after the gunmen had purportedly "committed suicide"?

17. Why didn't the Final Report of the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office make no mention of the brief exit of a gunman on the eastern side of the building, as seen by many witnesses?

18. Why did police warn students of a gunman positioned on the roof if it was simply a "repairman"? Why did witnesses see two men on the roof and why did the students see him aiming what looked like a rifle? Why has Chris Clarke told three completely different stories about where he was when the shooting started and two about what he was at Columbine High to do that day? Why did he fail to recognize his own service van when he was rescued by Denver Police Officer Wayne DePew, who reportedly commandeered it - the keys were conveniently left in the ignition - and used it to rescue Clarke? Why did no other officers see this rescue, including the ones Officer DePew claims to have been with? Is it simply coincidence that Officer DePew's son attended Columbine High, witnessed disturbing, mysterious activities in the school, and was died in a strange 'accident' in New Mexico in 2013?


Here we have all the questions about eyewitness reports differing from the official story. So let me explain something to you about eyewitness testimony: it is notoriously unreliable, to the point where some states have considered ruling it inadmissible as evidence in court. In my Forensics class we got to know about a case where a woman was raped and later on was unable to accurately identify her rapist, resulting in an innocent man getting convicted for the crime (he was later exonerated via DNA evidence). This is not a unique story by any means. What the eyewitnesses saw and heard that day, and even what they remember, is likely very blurred. 

I'd also like to take a look at this claim right here:

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Is it simply coincidence that Officer DePew's son attended Columbine High, witnessed disturbing, mysterious activities in the school, and was died in a strange 'accident' in New Mexico in 2013?


Yes, it is. Because I have no idea where you're going with this claim. Are you trying to insinuate that Mr. Depew's son was killed to silence him? In that case why wait until 2013? Why not just do it right away? Why risk a potential leak for 14 years?


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4. Why was the gun Klebold supposedly used to kill himself found in his right hand, even though the wound was in the left temple and he was left-handed? Why was the shotgun Harris supposedly used to kill himself seen under his leg in photographs?


They moved the bodies to search for bombs. Couldn't tell you why Klebold held the gun in his right hand, but under your theory he did indeed shoot himself, right?


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6. Why did police concentrate on "setting up a perimeter" around the school when dispatch was hearing the sounds of gunshots in the school? Why did police take such a long time to enter the school, and why after entry did they wait three hours to enter the library where the shooters had last been seen? Were they really, as Sheriff John Stone indicated, "outgunned" by two teenagers who could not aim? Why were other emergency personnel told that they would be shot if they tried to enter? Why was a police sniper with a clear shot on Klebold given an order not to fire?


They set up a perimeter because at the time the Columbine massacre happened, there was little precedent for a shooting spree like this. The situation was incredibly chaotic and the police did not know how many gunmen there were, so they elected to wait for a SWAT team. The police sniper was likely ordered not to fire on Klebold because, as I said earlier, the police did not understand the situation at all.

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7. Why did teacher Dave Sanders, who students were able to keep alive for three hours, die within twenty minutes of being taken into police custody? Why did they take so long to locate him when students were urgently telling them his location? Why was his shirt taken off?

He was bleeding quite heavily for the three hours he was in the student's care. They took a long time locating him because they weren't trying to locate him; the SWAT team was going classroom to classroom sweeping the entire school slowly. 

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9. If Harris and Klebold knew they were almost certainly going to be killed, why did both make plans for after the massacre? Why did Harris continue to do schoolwork and keep his grades up until the date of the attack? Why was Klebold telling others how excited he was to attend college in Arizona? Why did Klebold say on tape at prom night: * "Dad, we're going to laugh about this in 20 years"? Why did Harris make plans with old friends in New York for that summer, and tell at least one online friend about these plans? Why did Harris ask a teacher for help with an English essay days before the massacre? Why did he put his schedule in to work for the week *after the massacre?

To put on a façade. They wanted no-one to be suspicious of their true motives.

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11. How were Harris and Klebold able to secretly transfer 99 explosive devices - by some accounts more than 120 - into the school? How were able to position them inside several vehicles - not their own - near the school? Who owned these cars and when and how were they cleared of involvement?

Most of those explosives were crickets, pipe bombs, or Molotov cocktails, and those were not transferred secretly - Harris and Klebold openly carried them during the massacre. The propane bombs were carried in because the cameras for the cafeteria had to have their VCR tape (or whatever it was) changed out. Harris and Klebold managed to carry them in without much trouble because almost no-one, especially back before 9/11, noticed a few bags lying around. They were more focused on eating lunch and talking with friends. As for the claim about the cars, I'm gonna need a source on that.

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12. Why is it considered fact that Harris and Klebold placed the 'diversionary' bombs that exploded at South Wadsworth when there isn't any evidence at all that they did? No physical evidence linking them to this blast has been produced, nor have any witnesses placed them at the scene. One witness reportedly saw David Caravan, a member of the Trench Coat Mafia, fleeing the blast site with a smile on his face. An unidentified "transient" was discovered hiding in a nearby storm drain. Others spoke of a mysterious "survey crew" that "moved the backpacks" and may have placed them themselves.


I've already gone over the whole issue with eyewitness testimony being unreliable. I believe the reason it is considered a fact that Harris and Klebold planted the diversionary bombs is because they explicitly said they planted them. 

While we're on this topic, why would the FBI or whomever plant the diversionary bombs there if they didn't go off? What wouldb e the point to planting two bombs that turned out to be duds? You claim that an eyewitness saw David Caravan at the scene - does David have an alibi? 


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13. Why did authorities claim that the two shotguns recovered did not have serial numbers when in fact they did? Why did they make no attempt to find out who sold the Hi-Point 9mm rifle and the pump-action shotgun used in the attack?


The serial numbers debacle might just be simple incompetence. After all, why else would they claim "the shotguns have no serial numbers" only to allow themselves to be contradicted at a later date? The reason the rifle and shotgun were not traced back to anyone is because thanks to a quirk in Colorado law at the time, the transaction between not just Robin and the dealer, but also her giving the guns to Harris and Klebold, was perfectly legal. There was no need to trace the origin of the gun (I presume).


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14. Are persistent rumours that the school administration was warned based in truth? Why was Principal Frank DeAngelis running up and down the interior cafeteria stairs almost immediately before the shooting started?


IIRC he was heading to a meeting with a fellow teacher. If he was indeed warned why did he later go out to see what the situation was and get shot at for it?


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15. Was there indeed a 'fire drill' scheduled for later in the day, as one science teacher told his class? Were bomb threats called into the school that morning, as two sources claimed - one of whom told the news that morning and later died in a highly suspicious plane collision? Why did one special ed student make comments about "bombs in the trash can" the day before?


Why would there be bomb threats called in to the school if the conspiracy was engineered specifically to get Harris and Klebold to go in and kill people? Why would a special ed student talk about bombs in trash cans (even though none of Harris and Klebold's bombs were concealed by trash cans)? In fact, why would a special ed student know anything pertaining to the conspiracy? Isn't that the last person you'd trust with knowledge of such an event?


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19. Is it simply coincidence that "crisis training drills" were held at Columbine High in the weeks before the attack? What was the nature of this training and who scheduled it?


I'm not sure what you're really talking about here. Who said there were crisis drills at the school in the weeks leading up to the attack? Why would the government make the school conduct these alleged drills anyway? 


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20. Why were at least one police officer and one sheriff's deputy already at the school when the shooting started? Was the maintenance man in Clement Park, Dick Clark, correct when he claimed that he observed "an undercover cop" in the park before the shooting?


The police officer was the school resource officer, whose job is to be assigned to the school. Lot's of schools have such an officer. The deputy was writing someone a ticket IIRC. Later on you go on to talk about the government getting involved in the case, so tell me, were the police in on it before, during, or after the massacre? And on the maintenance man, he could have simply misspoke. 


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21. Why is it frequently claimed that there were no security cameras in the library or administration areas when many witnesses saw such cameras? Why does local media refuse to release their on-scene video footage from the first half-hour of the attack?


Who has claimed there were no cameras in the library? And I'm gonna need a source on the claim that the media is withholding footage.


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22. Where is the evidence taken from the computers of members of the Trench Coat Mafia? Where are the scores of missing interviews with students, including many of those in the science hall where some saw a gunman who appeared to be *"in his thirties"? Why are thousands of pages of investigatory material - including hundreds of reports and tips from witnesses unconnected with Columbine - still sealed?

23. Why has the school district's own report on the massacre, which included the extensive disciplinary records of the members of the Trench Coat Mafia, remained sealed to this day?


So are you insinuating that the government enlisted the help of the Trench Coat Mafia in the conspiracy? Why would they do that? As for why some reports and tips were sealed, what would be the point of releasing them? Harris and Klebold did it, so releasing a bunch of documents were people are putting in reports of other people committing the shooting serves no purpose.


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5. Why did investigators ignore so many compelling leads that suggested a wider conspiracy?

24. Why was no attempt made to interview Eric Harris' psychologist, who prescribed him Luvox? Why was no attempt made to analyze "white pills" discovered in Klebold's room? Is it a coincidence that Sgt. Randy West was the man who instructed officers to follow neither lead, and is it also a coincidence that "Sgt. West" does this in many other instances throughout the files?

25. Why did investigators show absolutely no interest in the fact that many planned attacks on schools were surfacing in the Denver area and around the country during this same time period? Why were so many of these plans made in advance of the attacks?

28. Why was the U.S. Attorney's Office consulted on "prosecutive decisions" with regard to the massacre - a local crime?

29. Why did personnel from the LAPD and the L.A. Sheriff's Office travel to the scene afterward? What was the subject of a ten-minute call between the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office and the NYPD on the day of the massacre?

30. Why did two high-ranking military officers - a colonel and a general - appear on scene in camouflage uniforms? Why was the memorial service - held at a public park - ringed with military trucks? Who authorized a group of military jets to do a flyover and why?


I need citations on these before I can comment.


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26. Why did the FBI and the ATF immediately become involved? Why were all but one of the "investigatory" teams headed or co-headed by an FBI agent, with the exception headed by a "former" FBI agent who was now with the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI)? Was the crime scene "federalized" soon after the initiation of the attacks, under powers granted by the Anti-Terrorism Act signed by President Bill Clinton in the wake of the Oklahoma City Bombing and precisely three years before on April 20, 1996?


Didn't Jeffco ask for help from the FBI and ATF?


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27. Why was top FBI psychologist Dwayne Fuselier, whose sons attended Columbine High and involved with the Trench Coat Mafia, selected to head the investigation? Even though his sons produced a video for video class in 1997 with members of the Trench Coat Mafia, including suspect Brooks Brown, featuring four trench-coated gunmen shooting through the halls of the school before blowing it up? Why didn't he recuse himself from the investigation and why did his superiors openly refuse to remove him? Is it simply coincidence that Fuselier was a key 'negotiator' at both the Waco and Montana Freemen sieges, both of which involved acts of severe brutality by federal law enforcement?


Need a source for the underlined statement. As for the rest of the claim, I presume the reason they appointed Mr. Fuselier to head the investigation due to both his credentials working in the FBI and his knowledge of the area. As for his involvement with Waco =, didn't Mr. Fuselier advise the FBI against storming the building?


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31. Why did the Federal Emergency Management Agency hold a four-day "disaster training course" eighteen months before the massacre and "designed specially to adress the needs of Jefferson County," for future sheriff John Stone and other county officials?


>eighteen moths before the massacre
I'm really not sure why a time lapse of a year and a half matters here. You do now that disaster traing is pretty common across every first-world nation, right?


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32. Is it coincidence that the episode of The Promised Land on CBS scheduled for that week featured a kid firing a gun in front of a Denver high school? Is it coincidence that the episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer on WB for that week featured a plan by a student gunman to kill everyone at his school? Is it a coincidence that MTV scheduled a program called Warning Signs, produced by the Justice Department, which was about violence and its effect on young people, to air two days after the massacre? Is it a coincidence that the History Channel had scheduled a program called Slaughter at Schools for May 10?

33. When ABC's 20/20 did a show about the disturbing "death education" programs in the early nineties, was it simply a coincidence that they featured Columbine High School


So why would the conspiracy purposely foreshadow the events that would take place at the school? This is something that I'm having the hardest time grasping - just why would a massive conspiracy of this scale purposefully leave hints that they're going to do something huge? So yeah, I'm going with "it's just a coincidence" for these, if for no other reason than the idea that a vast conspiracy with a great deal of clout behind it leaving any kind of hint that a major shitstorm was about to go down - and even reveal where they were going to do it - is mind bogglingly stupid. 

And that episode of Buffy featured a lunch lady trying to poison the whole school, not a kid with a gun. It's revealed that the kid just wants to commit suicide later on. 


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8. Why did two teens who, contrary to public belief, were not bullied, had many friends, and were not psychopathic destroy their own lives and those of at least twelve other students and one teacher only six weeks before graduation?

Why indeed.

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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:35 pm

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If I may, I'd like to debate [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in a respectful manner. 

Now I'm not an expert on the massacre and never claimed to be, so some of these questions (specifically # 10 and # 16) are going to go unanswered. I suggest that you ask someone who knows more than me on this subject about the unanswered questions.

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1. Why did more than one hundred eye-witnesses and earwitnesses to the attacks believe that multiple perpetrators were involved? Why did more than forty of these witnesses identify other suspects by name?

2. Why did numerous witnesses report hearing fully automatic fire?

3. Why did at least 35 witnesses hear shooting and explosions in the school after the gunmen had purportedly "committed suicide"?

17. Why didn't the Final Report of the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office make no mention of the brief exit of a gunman on the eastern side of the building, as seen by many witnesses?

18. Why did police warn students of a gunman positioned on the roof if it was simply a "repairman"? Why did witnesses see two men on the roof and why did the students see him aiming what looked like a rifle? Why has Chris Clarke told three completely different stories about where he was when the shooting started and two about what he was at Columbine High to do that day? Why did he fail to recognize his own service van when he was rescued by Denver Police Officer Wayne DePew, who reportedly commandeered it - the keys were conveniently left in the ignition - and used it to rescue Clarke? Why did no other officers see this rescue, including the ones Officer DePew claims to have been with? Is it simply coincidence that Officer DePew's son attended Columbine High, witnessed disturbing, mysterious activities in the school, and was died in a strange 'accident' in New Mexico in 2013?


Here we have all the questions about eyewitness reports differing from the official story. So let me explain something to you about eyewitness testimony: it is notoriously unreliable, to the point where some states have considered ruling it inadmissible as evidence in court. In my Forensics class we got to know about a case where a woman was raped and later on was unable to accurately identify her rapist, resulting in an innocent man getting convicted for the crime (he was later exonerated via DNA evidence). This is not a unique story by any means. What the eyewitnesses saw and heard that day, and even what they remember, is likely very blurred. 

I'd also like to take a look at this claim right here:

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Is it simply coincidence that Officer DePew's son attended Columbine High, witnessed disturbing, mysterious activities in the school, and was died in a strange 'accident' in New Mexico in 2013?


Yes, it is. Because I have no idea where you're going with this claim. Are you trying to insinuate that Mr. Depew's son was killed to silence him? In that case why wait until 2013? Why not just do it right away? Why risk a potential leak for 14 years?


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4. Why was the gun Klebold supposedly used to kill himself found in his right hand, even though the wound was in the left temple and he was left-handed? Why was the shotgun Harris supposedly used to kill himself seen under his leg in photographs?


They moved the bodies to search for bombs. Couldn't tell you why Klebold held the gun in his right hand, but under your theory he did indeed shoot himself, right?


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6. Why did police concentrate on "setting up a perimeter" around the school when dispatch was hearing the sounds of gunshots in the school? Why did police take such a long time to enter the school, and why after entry did they wait three hours to enter the library where the shooters had last been seen? Were they really, as Sheriff John Stone indicated, "outgunned" by two teenagers who could not aim? Why were other emergency personnel told that they would be shot if they tried to enter? Why was a police sniper with a clear shot on Klebold given an order not to fire?


They set up a perimeter because at the time the Columbine massacre happened, there was little precedent for a shooting spree like this. The situation was incredibly chaotic and the police did not know how many gunmen there were, so they elected to wait for a SWAT team. The police sniper was likely ordered not to fire on Klebold because, as I said earlier, the police did not understand the situation at all.

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7. Why did teacher Dave Sanders, who students were able to keep alive for three hours, die within twenty minutes of being taken into police custody? Why did they take so long to locate him when students were urgently telling them his location? Why was his shirt taken off?

He was bleeding quite heavily for the three hours he was in the student's care. They took a long time locating him because they weren't trying to locate him; the SWAT team was going classroom to classroom sweeping the entire school slowly. 

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9. If Harris and Klebold knew they were almost certainly going to be killed, why did both make plans for after the massacre? Why did Harris continue to do schoolwork and keep his grades up until the date of the attack? Why was Klebold telling others how excited he was to attend college in Arizona? Why did Klebold say on tape at prom night: * "Dad, we're going to laugh about this in 20 years"? Why did Harris make plans with old friends in New York for that summer, and tell at least one online friend about these plans? Why did Harris ask a teacher for help with an English essay days before the massacre? Why did he put his schedule in to work for the week *after the massacre?

To put on a façade. They wanted no-one to be suspicious of their true motives.

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11. How were Harris and Klebold able to secretly transfer 99 explosive devices - by some accounts more than 120 - into the school? How were able to position them inside several vehicles - not their own - near the school? Who owned these cars and when and how were they cleared of involvement?

Most of those explosives were crickets, pipe bombs, or Molotov cocktails, and those were not transferred secretly - Harris and Klebold openly carried them during the massacre. The propane bombs were carried in because the cameras for the cafeteria had to have their VCR tape (or whatever it was) changed out. Harris and Klebold managed to carry them in without much trouble because almost no-one, especially back before 9/11, noticed a few bags lying around. They were more focused on eating lunch and talking with friends. As for the claim about the cars, I'm gonna need a source on that.

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12. Why is it considered fact that Harris and Klebold placed the 'diversionary' bombs that exploded at South Wadsworth when there isn't any evidence at all that they did? No physical evidence linking them to this blast has been produced, nor have any witnesses placed them at the scene. One witness reportedly saw David Caravan, a member of the Trench Coat Mafia, fleeing the blast site with a smile on his face. An unidentified "transient" was discovered hiding in a nearby storm drain. Others spoke of a mysterious "survey crew" that "moved the backpacks" and may have placed them themselves.


I've already gone over the whole issue with eyewitness testimony being unreliable. I believe the reason it is considered a fact that Harris and Klebold planted the diversionary bombs is because they explicitly said they planted them. 

While we're on this topic, why would the FBI or whomever plant the diversionary bombs there if they didn't go off? What wouldb e the point to planting two bombs that turned out to be duds? You claim that an eyewitness saw David Caravan at the scene - does David have an alibi? 


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13. Why did authorities claim that the two shotguns recovered did not have serial numbers when in fact they did? Why did they make no attempt to find out who sold the Hi-Point 9mm rifle and the pump-action shotgun used in the attack?


The serial numbers debacle might just be simple incompetence. After all, why else would they claim "the shotguns have no serial numbers" only to allow themselves to be contradicted at a later date? The reason the rifle and shotgun were not traced back to anyone is because thanks to a quirk in Colorado law at the time, the transaction between not just Robin and the dealer, but also her giving the guns to Harris and Klebold, was perfectly legal. There was no need to trace the origin of the gun (I presume).


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14. Are persistent rumours that the school administration was warned based in truth? Why was Principal Frank DeAngelis running up and down the interior cafeteria stairs almost immediately before the shooting started?


IIRC he was heading to a meeting with a fellow teacher. If he was indeed warned why did he later go out to see what the situation was and get shot at for it?


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15. Was there indeed a 'fire drill' scheduled for later in the day, as one science teacher told his class? Were bomb threats called into the school that morning, as two sources claimed - one of whom told the news that morning and later died in a highly suspicious plane collision? Why did one special ed student make comments about "bombs in the trash can" the day before?


Why would there be bomb threats called in to the school if the conspiracy was engineered specifically to get Harris and Klebold to go in and kill people? Why would a special ed student talk about bombs in trash cans (even though none of Harris and Klebold's bombs were concealed by trash cans)? In fact, why would a special ed student know anything pertaining to the conspiracy? Isn't that the last person you'd trust with knowledge of such an event?


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19. Is it simply coincidence that "crisis training drills" were held at Columbine High in the weeks before the attack? What was the nature of this training and who scheduled it?


I'm not sure what you're really talking about here. Who said there were crisis drills at the school in the weeks leading up to the attack? Why would the government make the school conduct these alleged drills anyway? 


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20. Why were at least one police officer and one sheriff's deputy already at the school when the shooting started? Was the maintenance man in Clement Park, Dick Clark, correct when he claimed that he observed "an undercover cop" in the park before the shooting?


The police officer was the school resource officer, whose job is to be assigned to the school. Lot's of schools have such an officer. The deputy was writing someone a ticket IIRC. Later on you go on to talk about the government getting involved in the case, so tell me, were the police in on it before, during, or after the massacre? And on the maintenance man, he could have simply misspoke. 


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21. Why is it frequently claimed that there were no security cameras in the library or administration areas when many witnesses saw such cameras? Why does local media refuse to release their on-scene video footage from the first half-hour of the attack?


Who has claimed there were no cameras in the library? And I'm gonna need a source on the claim that the media is withholding footage.


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22. Where is the evidence taken from the computers of members of the Trench Coat Mafia? Where are the scores of missing interviews with students, including many of those in the science hall where some saw a gunman who appeared to be *"in his thirties"? Why are thousands of pages of investigatory material - including hundreds of reports and tips from witnesses unconnected with Columbine - still sealed?

23. Why has the school district's own report on the massacre, which included the extensive disciplinary records of the members of the Trench Coat Mafia, remained sealed to this day?


So are you insinuating that the government enlisted the help of the Trench Coat Mafia in the conspiracy? Why would they do that? As for why some reports and tips were sealed, what would be the point of releasing them? Harris and Klebold did it, so releasing a bunch of documents were people are putting in reports of other people committing the shooting serves no purpose.


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5. Why did investigators ignore so many compelling leads that suggested a wider conspiracy?

24. Why was no attempt made to interview Eric Harris' psychologist, who prescribed him Luvox? Why was no attempt made to analyze "white pills" discovered in Klebold's room? Is it a coincidence that Sgt. Randy West was the man who instructed officers to follow neither lead, and is it also a coincidence that "Sgt. West" does this in many other instances throughout the files?

25. Why did investigators show absolutely no interest in the fact that many planned attacks on schools were surfacing in the Denver area and around the country during this same time period? Why were so many of these plans made in advance of the attacks?

28. Why was the U.S. Attorney's Office consulted on "prosecutive decisions" with regard to the massacre - a local crime?

29. Why did personnel from the LAPD and the L.A. Sheriff's Office travel to the scene afterward? What was the subject of a ten-minute call between the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office and the NYPD on the day of the massacre?

30. Why did two high-ranking military officers - a colonel and a general - appear on scene in camouflage uniforms? Why was the memorial service - held at a public park - ringed with military trucks? Who authorized a group of military jets to do a flyover and why?


I need citations on these before I can comment.


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26. Why did the FBI and the ATF immediately become involved? Why were all but one of the "investigatory" teams headed or co-headed by an FBI agent, with the exception headed by a "former" FBI agent who was now with the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI)? Was the crime scene "federalized" soon after the initiation of the attacks, under powers granted by the Anti-Terrorism Act signed by President Bill Clinton in the wake of the Oklahoma City Bombing and precisely three years before on April 20, 1996?


Didn't Jeffco ask for help from the FBI and ATF?


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27. Why was top FBI psychologist Dwayne Fuselier, whose sons attended Columbine High and involved with the Trench Coat Mafia, selected to head the investigation? Even though his sons produced a video for video class in 1997 with members of the Trench Coat Mafia, including suspect Brooks Brown, featuring four trench-coated gunmen shooting through the halls of the school before blowing it up? Why didn't he recuse himself from the investigation and why did his superiors openly refuse to remove him? Is it simply coincidence that Fuselier was a key 'negotiator' at both the Waco and Montana Freemen sieges, both of which involved acts of severe brutality by federal law enforcement?


Need a source for the underlined statement. As for the rest of the claim, I presume the reason they appointed Mr. Fuselier to head the investigation due to both his credentials working in the FBI and his knowledge of the area. As for his involvement with Waco =, didn't Mr. Fuselier advise the FBI against storming the building?


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31. Why did the Federal Emergency Management Agency hold a four-day "disaster training course" eighteen months before the massacre and "designed specially to adress the needs of Jefferson County," for future sheriff John Stone and other county officials?


>eighteen moths before the massacre
I'm really not sure why a time lapse of a year and a half matters here. You do now that disaster traing is pretty common across every first-world nation, right?


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32. Is it coincidence that the episode of The Promised Land on CBS scheduled for that week featured a kid firing a gun in front of a Denver high school? Is it coincidence that the episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer on WB for that week featured a plan by a student gunman to kill everyone at his school? Is it a coincidence that MTV scheduled a program called Warning Signs, produced by the Justice Department, which was about violence and its effect on young people, to air two days after the massacre? Is it a coincidence that the History Channel had scheduled a program called Slaughter at Schools for May 10?

33. When ABC's 20/20 did a show about the disturbing "death education" programs in the early nineties, was it simply a coincidence that they featured Columbine High School


So why would the conspiracy purposely foreshadow the events that would take place at the school? This is something that I'm having the hardest time grasping - just why would a massive conspiracy of this scale purposefully leave hints that they're going to do something huge? So yeah, I'm going with "it's just a coincidence" for these, if for no other reason than the idea that a vast conspiracy with a great deal of clout behind it leaving any kind of hint that a major shitstorm was about to go down - and even reveal where they were going to do it - is mind bogglingly stupid. 

And that episode of Buffy featured a lunch lady trying to poison the whole school, not a kid with a gun. It's revealed that the kid just wants to commit suicide later on. 


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8. Why did two teens who, contrary to public belief, were not bullied, had many friends, and were not psychopathic destroy their own lives and those of at least twelve other students and one teacher only six weeks before graduation?

Why indeed.

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They were bullied though, despite what Cullen days. Having friends and being bullied are not mutually exclusive. There was an issue with that at Columbine according to MANY.
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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:56 pm

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Your welcome. Generally I like to have a dialogue with people rather than have them shut down, deplatformed, and ridiculed. I think the latter is ineffective and childish really.

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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:42 am

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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:31 am

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Your welcome. Generally I like to have a dialogue with people rather than have them shut down, deplatformed, and ridiculed. I think the latter is ineffective and childish really.

I agree. I like having polite discourse

The thing about most of the questions presented in that list, is that they are just that: questions. I'm not sure what the answers or lack of answers to many of them have to do with anything or how they point to a larger conspiracy.

It would be helpful to know why these questions are important in the first place. It would also be helpful to see sources before speculating on claims that aren't backed up with evidence.
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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:53 pm

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Your welcome. Generally I like to have a dialogue with people rather than have them shut down, deplatformed, and ridiculed. I think the latter is ineffective and childish really.

I agree. I like having polite discourse

The thing about most of the questions presented in that list, is that they are just that: questions. I'm not sure what the answers or lack of answers to many of them have to do with anything or how they point to a larger conspiracy.

It would be helpful to know why these questions are important in the first place. It would also be helpful to see sources before speculating on claims that aren't backed up with evidence.

Like any kind of source material that we can draw from.

Like the whole Brenda thing was just a random person lying in a yahooo group yet still people believe it.

I still am also interested in why Sue mentioned in her book that Eric had a book at this house about mind control. I always assumed since it was in an early chapter that she was saying she thought Dylan was duped or tricked so maybe Eric had something to do with it.
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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:22 am

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Your welcome. Generally I like to have a dialogue with people rather than have them shut down, deplatformed, and ridiculed. I think the latter is ineffective and childish really.

I agree. I like having polite discourse

The thing about most of the questions presented in that list, is that they are just that: questions. I'm not sure what the answers or lack of answers to many of them have to do with anything or how they point to a larger conspiracy.

It would be helpful to know why these questions are important in the first place. It would also be helpful to see sources before speculating on claims that aren't backed up with evidence.

Like any kind of source material that we can draw from.

Like the whole Brenda thing was just a random person lying in a yahooo group yet still people believe it.

I still am also interested in why Sue mentioned in her book that Eric had a book at this house about mind control. I always assumed since it was in an early chapter that she was saying she thought Dylan was duped or tricked so maybe Eric had something to do with it.


i dont believe that mindcontrol crap but wtf....
did u read the book?& where´s mentioned that?
i dont think the book would be released if there was anything about that...
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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:52 am

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Your welcome. Generally I like to have a dialogue with people rather than have them shut down, deplatformed, and ridiculed. I think the latter is ineffective and childish really.

I agree. I like having polite discourse

The thing about most of the questions presented in that list, is that they are just that: questions. I'm not sure what the answers or lack of answers to many of them have to do with anything or how they point to a larger conspiracy.

It would be helpful to know why these questions are important in the first place. It would also be helpful to see sources before speculating on claims that aren't backed up with evidence.

Like any kind of source material that we can draw from.

Like the whole Brenda thing was just a random person lying in a yahooo group yet still people believe it.

I still am also interested in why Sue mentioned in her book that Eric had a book at this house about mind control. I always assumed since it was in an early chapter that she was saying she thought Dylan was duped or tricked so maybe Eric had something to do with it.


i dont believe  that mindcontrol crap but wtf....
did u read the book?& where´s mentioned that?
i dont think the book would be released if there was anything about that...

I read the book and listened to the audiobook. There's one line about it. I'll find the page. I don't believe it either(the mind control) I was saying it was a really random line that was in there.
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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:41 am

It's on one of the first pages of chapter 10 "The End of Denial" about the Basement Tapes.

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PostSubject: Re: Eric emotional abuse ?   Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:02 am

I think Sue's TED talk was uploaded by two different channels on YouTube. One has the comments disabled, but the other one doesn't.

I swear it used to have nothing but supportive and understanding comments on it, but when I looked the other day it is filled with hate towards her for believing that Dylan was not an evil monster (to her).

Sue's thoughts on Dylan's involvement and mental state are such polarizing topics.
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