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PostSubject: Re: E/D Violence before 4/20   Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:16 am

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Well, I had the feeling they saw it from a distance because I feel there would be more detailed descriptions otherwise.

I found this article which is a little more detailed, telling it was at 7-eleven and someone tossed a donut at someone and someone yelled in german. Haha lol, I cant help laughing.

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Lol yeah, this is a pretty crazy story.
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PostSubject: Re: E/D Violence before 4/20   Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:19 am

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Plus we only have that one account. Considering many TCM members said E&D were not involved in really any of their activities, it's possible people just assume they were in the group at the time of the altercation. Are there any others who back up that story? I'm always skeptical of accounts like that.

I've never heard of any other account. I have to agree with you.
There is actually is one more account. Jason Kirk said that he had a run-in with Eric at a 7-11 in Platte Canyon on July 4, 1998. He threw a donut at him as he drove by in a car and Eric waved a shotgun at him and the incident was reported to the police. (5014)

Two problems with the account, I think.

He only thought it was Eric because he was a member of the TCM and more importantly, Eric and Dylan didn't have any guns at that time. I guess that it could have been Eric and it was one of their fake guns or BB guns.

Edit: Just saw an article added. Sounds like it happened but I wonder if these boys named "Eric Harris" as the aggressor before 4/20. I feel like Eric would have been arrested if he was reported to the police yet again, especially while on diversion.
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PostSubject: Re: E/D Violence before 4/20   Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:49 am

He doesn't even say why he threw the donut... as if it doesn't need an explaination. What an ass
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PostSubject: Re: E/D Violence before 4/20   Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:28 am

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He doesn't even say why he threw the donut... as if it doesn't need an explaination. What an ass

What do these kids have against carbs? The stories where people are like "I was mean to them" still make you look like an ass even after what E&D did.

You'd imagine too any complaint about Eric in the summer of 1998 would raise red flags and the Littleton rumor mill would pick up on it... and our favorite nosy nelly Judy Brown would raise some fresh hell...

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PostSubject: Re: E/D Violence before 4/20   Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:28 am

IMO any post-4/20 accounts made by teenagers are less believable because they all wanted their own E&D story or connection with them. Just look at how many incorrect accounts there are from the shooting. People saying they walked into school with Eric, talked to him in the smokers pit that morning, saw E&D in places they couldn't have been, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: E/D Violence before 4/20   Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:38 am

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IMO any post-4/20 accounts made by teenagers are less believable because they all wanted their own E&D story or connection with them. Just look at how many incorrect accounts there are from the shooting. People saying they walked into school with Eric, talked to him in the smokers pit that morning, saw E&D in places they couldn't have been, etc.

Agreed. Everyone wanted to be involved in some way.

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PostSubject: Re: E/D Violence before 4/20   Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:06 pm

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He doesn't even say why he threw the donut... as if it doesn't need an explaination. What an ass
This excerpt from A Mother's Reckoning based on Larkin's research gives a bit of an explanation.

Sue Klebold wrote:
Tom and I did not perceive Dylan as being unpopular; he simply had too many friends for us to see him that way. Unfortunately, we did not have the slightest idea what his daily life was really like at school. Larkin cites a video Dylan made. He and a few other boys are walking down a hallway, filming nothing in particular. Four students approach from the opposite direction. One of them, wearing a Columbine Football sweatshirt, drives an elbow into Dylan’s side as he passes, causing him to cry out and the video camera to swing wildly.

The athletes laugh, and Dylan’s friends mutter something inaudible. Larkin correctly sums up what’s so chilling, which is that Dylan and his friends continue down the hallway after the hit as if nothing out of the ordinary has happened. “Apparently such behavior was common enough to be accepted as normative,” Larkin writes. This observation was supported by a number of interviews he did with students.

It mirrors our own conversations, too. One of Dylan’s friends told me he’d never seen any examples of students mistreating other students—and then, in the very next breath, told me about kids hurling a soda can full of tobacco spit in his direction at a school sporting event. Another of Dylan’s friends told us a car full of kids threw glass bottles and other trash at their group as they drove by. (Larkin reports that throwing trash from moving cars at lower-caste students was common.)

A resigned Dylan tried to comfort a horrified newcomer to the group: “You get used to it. It happens all the time.”
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PostSubject: Re: E/D Violence before 4/20   Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:09 pm

She's referencing the Eric in Columbine video right? Dylan was not filming that. It's strange that she doesn't know that...
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PostSubject: Re: E/D Violence before 4/20   Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:13 pm

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She's referencing the Eric in Columbine video right? Dylan was not filming that. It's strange that she doesn't know that...
Yep. I think Brooks says that it's Dylan in an interview for a documentary so maybe she went by that. It is strange considering that Dylan briefly appears at the end of the video but she may not have watched the entire thing. Doesn't the cameraman talk though? I'd think she'd realize that it wasn't Dylan's voice.
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PostSubject: Re: E/D Violence before 4/20   Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:14 pm

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She's referencing the Eric in Columbine video right? Dylan was not filming that. It's strange that she doesn't know that...

She is, this has always confused me, because if she saw it she'd see that 1. Eric H points at the cameraman and calls him "an Eric too" AND 2. Dylan is on camera at the end...

Unless it is a video we've never seen... I doubt it though.


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