Nineteen years of Columbine

7:43: The sun sets, It is now night time. Though the sun can set that day, it will never set in the minds of those who remember this event and by all the families affected by this

(was supposed to send this earlier but forgot)

After all these years I had a realization that I never thought of....

Eric and Dylan were the only two who were able to say goodbye to their parents and the people they loved in their tapes. The 13 people they killed were not.

Screamingophelia wrote:

After all these years I had a realization that I never thought of....

Eric and Dylan were the only two who were able to say goodbye to their parents and the people they loved in their tapes. The 13 people they killed were not.

The 13 did say goodbye, though they never realized that it will be the last time they will see their families

haydenschool wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

After all these years I had a realization that I never thought of....

Eric and Dylan were the only two who were able to say goodbye to their parents and the people they loved in their tapes. The 13 people they killed were not.

The 13 did say goodbye, though they never realized that it will be the last time they will see their families

You're right

I read their goodbye messages and thought it was so different because they knew they were going to die and the rest just just bye, like I will see you later.

I sometimes wonder if Erics parents were gone before he got up.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I can't help by wonder what the victims families are doing right now. 19 years is a very long time, but one doesn't really completely heal from losing a loved one in such a horrific way.  

I also have to wonder how Eric's and Dylan's family is facing this today.  I actually think they have it just a little rougher then the other families. As their kids were the ones to cause such pain and devastation to so many.

It would be hard to feel guilty about mourning your own child because they killed 13 innocent people.

A lot of the families were visiting the memorial, school and cemetery. Steve Curnow’s father was at his monument when I was at the memorial and Matt Kechter’s parents looked to be at the cemetery along with John Tomlin’s. There were probably countless others too who I wasn’t even aware of.

Rachel's friend Mark (her 'big brother') reading a poem to her at her grave today.

QuestionMark wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Regardless of how many people like to try to deny it, Eric and Dylan were victims as well. Maybe not in the same sense as the others, but still victims all the same.

Victims of themselves or victims of society?

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]   In their case I truly believe it was an equal measure of both.

I think Dylan's biggest enemy was himself and he was definitely a victim of himself. They both were but they were also victims of society as well. I'll always believe that was one of the core reasons Columbine happened. There were so many times someone in society could have stepped in and tried to stop this from happening. Eric told his doctor he was homicidal and suicidal and she did nothing about it. She just put him on a different antidepressant and never even mentioned it to his parents.

Another example is the school paper that Dylan wrote about killing people and his teacher never even showed it to his parents. The Brown's put in complaints with the police about Eric. The complaints were bad enough for a judge to sign a search warrant for Eric's house but the idiots over at the police station never even got the paper work together to go and search Eric's house.

Robyn bought them the guns and never even asked why they wanted them. Another grown man sold a 17 year old a freaking Tec 9. That same friend brought Eric ammunition late on a school night and never even thought to ask why Eric needed these bullets right then and there. I could go on and on.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Columbine is not Dylan and Eric's fault. It is. They are the ones who went through with killing innocent people and that will never be alright but it was so obvious that these two had problems and not a single person questioned them or took them seriously. And every single time there was an opportunity to step in and do something, no one did.

So yes, they were both victims of society that did nothing to help them, stop them, take them seriously or even notice them. And I feel bad about that.

Draw_It_White wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I can't help by wonder what the victims families are doing right now. 19 years is a very long time, but one doesn't really completely heal from losing a loved one in such a horrific way.  

I also have to wonder how Eric's and Dylan's family is facing this today.  I actually think they have it just a little rougher then the other families. As their kids were the ones to cause such pain and devastation to so many.

It would be hard to feel guilty about mourning your own child because they killed 13 innocent people.

A lot of the families were visiting the memorial, school and cemetery. Steve Curnow’s father was at his monument when I was at the memorial and Matt Kechter’s parents looked to be at the cemetery along with John Tomlin’s. There were probably countless others too who I wasn’t even aware of.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  ScreamingO and myself had many back and forth pm's yesterday. I pretty much got a play by play of her activities. So in a roundabout way yours as well.    

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Thanks for being my eyes girl!

Jenn wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Columbine is not Dylan and Eric's fault. It is. They are the ones who went through with killing innocent people and that will never be alright but it was so obvious that these two had problems and not a single person questioned them or took them seriously. And every single time there was an opportunity to step in and do something, no one did.

So yes, they were both victims of society that did nothing to help them, stop them, take them seriously or even notice them. And I feel bad about that.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Completely agree.  

I think this is why the Nikolas Cruz case has snagged my attention. Cruz was far worse then Eric and Dylan combined and many times over. He had SO many issues that were well known to everyone. This kid had been in dire need of help for years. I mean he was drowning in a sea of "red flags". Yet some how he got overlooked. He was either picked on or just pushed aside like he was worthless. Pretty much forgotten about until he finally snapped and killed 17 people.

I feel the blame in both these cases can be cast far and wide, and would land on many shoulders.

Jenn wrote:

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That's really cool. I'm thankful for all that Sue is doing. It must be hard for her. I definitely don't blame the rest of E&D's parents for wanting to  separate themselves from all of it, though.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Jenn wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Columbine is not Dylan and Eric's fault. It is. They are the ones who went through with killing innocent people and that will never be alright but it was so obvious that these two had problems and not a single person questioned them or took them seriously. And every single time there was an opportunity to step in and do something, no one did.

So yes, they were both victims of society that did nothing to help them, stop them, take them seriously or even notice them. And I feel bad about that.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Completely agree.  

I think this is why the Nikolas Cruz case has snagged my attention. Cruz was far worse then Eric and Dylan combined and many times over. He had SO many issues that were well known to everyone. This kid had been in dire need of help for years. I mean he was drowning in a sea of "red flags". Yet some how he got overlooked. He was either picked on or just pushed aside like he was worthless. Pretty much forgotten about until he finally snapped and killed 17 people.

I feel the blame in both these cases can be cast far and wide, and would land on many shoulders.

Most of the time there's always red flags that the shooter leave. William's case isn't talked about as much since he killed a small number of people but he had been throwing up red flags left and right too, almost as many as Cruz, and no-one intervened.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Draw_It_White wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I can't help by wonder what the victims families are doing right now. 19 years is a very long time, but one doesn't really completely heal from losing a loved one in such a horrific way.  

I also have to wonder how Eric's and Dylan's family is facing this today.  I actually think they have it just a little rougher then the other families. As their kids were the ones to cause such pain and devastation to so many.

It would be hard to feel guilty about mourning your own child because they killed 13 innocent people.

A lot of the families were visiting the memorial, school and cemetery. Steve Curnow’s father was at his monument when I was at the memorial and Matt Kechter’s parents looked to be at the cemetery along with John Tomlin’s. There were probably countless others too who I wasn’t even aware of.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  ScreamingO and myself had many back and forth pm's yesterday. I pretty much got a play by play of her activities. So in a roundabout way yours as well.    

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Thanks for being my eyes girl!

You're welcome! I enjoyed meeting DIW too, very kind and just cool in general.

It's snowing this morning, it may not stick but it's super pretty.

QuestionMark wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Jenn wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Columbine is not Dylan and Eric's fault. It is. They are the ones who went through with killing innocent people and that will never be alright but it was so obvious that these two had problems and not a single person questioned them or took them seriously. And every single time there was an opportunity to step in and do something, no one did.

So yes, they were both victims of society that did nothing to help them, stop them, take them seriously or even notice them. And I feel bad about that.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Completely agree.  

I think this is why the Nikolas Cruz case has snagged my attention. Cruz was far worse then Eric and Dylan combined and many times over. He had SO many issues that were well known to everyone. This kid had been in dire need of help for years. I mean he was drowning in a sea of "red flags". Yet some how he got overlooked. He was either picked on or just pushed aside like he was worthless. Pretty much forgotten about until he finally snapped and killed 17 people.

I feel the blame in both these cases can be cast far and wide, and would land on many shoulders.

Most of the time there's always red flags that the shooter leave. William's case isn't talked about as much since he killed a small number of people but he had been throwing up red flags left and right too, almost as many as Cruz, and no-one intervened.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  I have heard that William was a known troll, and liked joking around. It's possible that no one realized he was serious until after the fact. Hindsight is a bitch.

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Draw_It_White wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I can't help by wonder what the victims families are doing right now. 19 years is a very long time, but one doesn't really completely heal from losing a loved one in such a horrific way.  

I also have to wonder how Eric's and Dylan's family is facing this today.  I actually think they have it just a little rougher then the other families. As their kids were the ones to cause such pain and devastation to so many.

It would be hard to feel guilty about mourning your own child because they killed 13 innocent people.

A lot of the families were visiting the memorial, school and cemetery. Steve Curnow’s father was at his monument when I was at the memorial and Matt Kechter’s parents looked to be at the cemetery along with John Tomlin’s. There were probably countless others too who I wasn’t even aware of.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  ScreamingO and myself had many back and forth pm's yesterday. I pretty much got a play by play of her activities. So in a roundabout way yours as well.    

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Thanks for being my eyes girl!

You're welcome! I enjoyed meeting DIW too, very kind and just cool in general.

It's snowing this morning, it may not stick but it's super pretty.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  I'm glad you didn't have to throat punch him!

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Draw_It_White wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I can't help by wonder what the victims families are doing right now. 19 years is a very long time, but one doesn't really completely heal from losing a loved one in such a horrific way.  

I also have to wonder how Eric's and Dylan's family is facing this today.  I actually think they have it just a little rougher then the other families. As their kids were the ones to cause such pain and devastation to so many.

It would be hard to feel guilty about mourning your own child because they killed 13 innocent people.

A lot of the families were visiting the memorial, school and cemetery. Steve Curnow’s father was at his monument when I was at the memorial and Matt Kechter’s parents looked to be at the cemetery along with John Tomlin’s. There were probably countless others too who I wasn’t even aware of.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  ScreamingO and myself had many back and forth pm's yesterday. I pretty much got a play by play of her activities. So in a roundabout way yours as well.    

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Thanks for being my eyes girl!

You're welcome! I enjoyed meeting DIW too, very kind and just cool in general.

It's snowing this morning, it may not stick but it's super pretty.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  I'm glad you didn't have to throat punch him!

I’d heard about that!

Screamingophelia wrote:

It's snowing this morning, it may not stick but it's super pretty.

that's really creepy, didn't it snow the day after 4/20 in '99 as well?

23september wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

It's snowing this morning, it may not stick but it's super pretty.

that's really creepy, didn't it snow the day after 4/20 in '99 as well?

Yea, the snow started after Eric and Dylan’s bodies were removed.

Draw_It_White wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Draw_It_White wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I can't help by wonder what the victims families are doing right now. 19 years is a very long time, but one doesn't really completely heal from losing a loved one in such a horrific way.  

I also have to wonder how Eric's and Dylan's family is facing this today.  I actually think they have it just a little rougher then the other families. As their kids were the ones to cause such pain and devastation to so many.

It would be hard to feel guilty about mourning your own child because they killed 13 innocent people.

A lot of the families were visiting the memorial, school and cemetery. Steve Curnow’s father was at his monument when I was at the memorial and Matt Kechter’s parents looked to be at the cemetery along with John Tomlin’s. There were probably countless others too who I wasn’t even aware of.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  ScreamingO and myself had many back and forth pm's yesterday. I pretty much got a play by play of her activities. So in a roundabout way yours as well.    

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Thanks for being my eyes girl!

You're welcome! I enjoyed meeting DIW too, very kind and just cool in general.

It's snowing this morning, it may not stick but it's super pretty.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  I'm glad you didn't have to throat punch him!

I’d heard about that!

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]   Sorry

But that was my sage advice to ScreamingO if anyone got out of hand, or if she felt threatened in anyway.  Glad you were a nice guy, and didn't get hurt! Because I have also advised her once before that the best follow up to the throat punch is a hard kick to the groin.

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Draw_It_White wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Draw_It_White wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I can't help by wonder what the victims families are doing right now. 19 years is a very long time, but one doesn't really completely heal from losing a loved one in such a horrific way.  

I also have to wonder how Eric's and Dylan's family is facing this today.  I actually think they have it just a little rougher then the other families. As their kids were the ones to cause such pain and devastation to so many.

It would be hard to feel guilty about mourning your own child because they killed 13 innocent people.

A lot of the families were visiting the memorial, school and cemetery. Steve Curnow’s father was at his monument when I was at the memorial and Matt Kechter’s parents looked to be at the cemetery along with John Tomlin’s. There were probably countless others too who I wasn’t even aware of.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  ScreamingO and myself had many back and forth pm's yesterday. I pretty much got a play by play of her activities. So in a roundabout way yours as well.    

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Thanks for being my eyes girl!

You're welcome! I enjoyed meeting DIW too, very kind and just cool in general.

It's snowing this morning, it may not stick but it's super pretty.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  I'm glad you didn't have to throat punch him!

I’d heard about that!

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]   Sorry

But that was my sage advice to ScreamingO if anyone got out of hand, or if she felt threatened in anyway.  Glad you were a nice guy, and didn't get hurt! Because I have also advised her once before that the best follow up to the throat punch is a hard kick to the groin.

I thought a friendly warning was good LOL. He's super nice. We had an interesting day.

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Draw_It_White wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

Draw_It_White wrote:

ShadowedGoddess wrote:

I can't help by wonder what the victims families are doing right now. 19 years is a very long time, but one doesn't really completely heal from losing a loved one in such a horrific way.  

I also have to wonder how Eric's and Dylan's family is facing this today.  I actually think they have it just a little rougher then the other families. As their kids were the ones to cause such pain and devastation to so many.

It would be hard to feel guilty about mourning your own child because they killed 13 innocent people.

A lot of the families were visiting the memorial, school and cemetery. Steve Curnow’s father was at his monument when I was at the memorial and Matt Kechter’s parents looked to be at the cemetery along with John Tomlin’s. There were probably countless others too who I wasn’t even aware of.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  ScreamingO and myself had many back and forth pm's yesterday. I pretty much got a play by play of her activities. So in a roundabout way yours as well.    

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Thanks for being my eyes girl!

You're welcome! I enjoyed meeting DIW too, very kind and just cool in general.

It's snowing this morning, it may not stick but it's super pretty.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  I'm glad you didn't have to throat punch him!

I’d heard about that!

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]   Sorry

But that was my sage advice to ScreamingO if anyone got out of hand, or if she felt threatened in anyway.  Glad you were a nice guy, and didn't get hurt! Because I have also advised her once before that the best follow up to the throat punch is a hard kick to the groin.

I thought a friendly warning was good LOL. He's super nice. We had an interesting day.

The Hidden Legacy of Columbine: Ignorance About School Violence

Oh the irony of the title.

I think the first of the funerals were on the 24th.

I know we all look at 4/20 and think minute by minute what was happening at that moment in or around the Columbine community “x” number of years ago....but I also tend to think about the victims families on 4/21.  Danny R’s dad getting the news papers, Cassie Bernall’s parents long night of looking out the window where their daughters body laid and they can’t get to her or do anything about it, or the parents of the many other victims who got confirmation of the news they had been dreading but mostly knew to be true by then.  To me this day is just as hard on the families of the victims as 4/20 was...finding out for certain that their loved ones were not ever going to walk through the door of their houses again.

W.A.R. wrote:

The Hidden Legacy of Columbine: Ignorance About School Violence

Oh the irony of the title.

I stopped reading after saw it mentioned Cullen.

Tommy QTR wrote:

W.A.R. wrote:

The Hidden Legacy of Columbine: Ignorance About School Violence

Oh the irony of the title.

I stopped reading after saw it mentioned Cullen.

It really is a shame just how ignorant he remains on Columbine (especially with his perceptions of Eric and Dylan, we all know where that goes with him) and continues to brainwash people and feed them false information and he thinks he's so right.

Does anyone feel a bit hungover or sad today?
I stayed up binge watching Columbine related videos last night.
Just felt very involved and aware on the anniversary yesterday.

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Oldmare wrote:

Does anyone feel a bit hungover or sad today?
I stayed up binge watching Columbine related videos last night.
Just felt very involved and aware on the anniversary yesterday.

Sent from Topic'it App

Overwhelmed for sure heavy hearted

The whole thing was unfortunate. I wish they could have just seen past high school. Hell, only two weeks from graduation once they did this. But they were already so fucked up and hellbent on destruction at that point, there was no saving them in my opinion.

I think Eric saw past high school - he wrote his thoughts about how he saw no point in getting a job and going to college and working for the rest of your life so you can retire and then die a few years later... he saw through that.

He was right, that system is pointless, and it's something many teenagers see through.

Perhaps he didn't know there were other options, or if he did, he didn't care. But I think he saw through the system of society pretty far, and that was part of what fueled his hopelessness for the future... there really was nothing in life for him to live for. He wasn't interested in playing that part in society.

I can relate to that, too. I never wanted to follow that path in life and that was always a driving force in my suicidal thoughts/desires. Nobody told me self-employment was a possibility. Took me 35 years to realize I really could do whatever I wanted and not follow the "rules..." they just don't teach you that in high school. So you end up with kids who see through the bullshit but aren't given another option.

EthanEmerson wrote:

I think Eric saw past high school - he wrote his thoughts about how he saw no point in getting a job and going to college and working for the rest of your life so you can retire and then die a few years later... he saw through that.

He was right, that system is pointless, and it's something many teenagers see through.

Perhaps he didn't know there were other options, or if he did, he didn't care. But I think he saw through the system of society pretty far, and that was part of what fueled his hopelessness for the future... there really was nothing in life for him to live for. He wasn't interested in playing that part in society. 

I agree completely; I've come to this conclusion for quite a while now.

QuestionMark wrote:

EthanEmerson wrote:

I think Eric saw past high school - he wrote his thoughts about how he saw no point in getting a job and going to college and working for the rest of your life so you can retire and then die a few years later... he saw through that.

He was right, that system is pointless, and it's something many teenagers see through.

Perhaps he didn't know there were other options, or if he did, he didn't care. But I think he saw through the system of society pretty far, and that was part of what fueled his hopelessness for the future... there really was nothing in life for him to live for. He wasn't interested in playing that part in society. 

I agree completely; I've come to this conclusion for quite a while now.

Eric was a huge pessimist obviously and yeah, of course, everyone knows that. You go to school, work, retire, and then die. But it's what happens in between all that, that is great. Life is full of great things. But doing what he did wasn't a solution. It just made people who wanted to live life and enjoy it, not be able to do that just because some kid saw life as pointless.

EthanEmerson wrote:

I think Eric saw past high school - he wrote his thoughts about how he saw no point in getting a job and going to college and working for the rest of your life so you can retire and then die a few years later... he saw through that.

He was right, that system is pointless, and it's something many teenagers see through.

Perhaps he didn't know there were other options, or if he did, he didn't care. But I think he saw through the system of society pretty far, and that was part of what fueled his hopelessness for the future... there really was nothing in life for him to live for. He wasn't interested in playing that part in society.

I can relate to that, too. I never wanted to follow that path in life and that was always a driving force in my suicidal thoughts/desires. Nobody told me self-employment was a possibility. Took me 35 years to realize I really could do whatever I wanted and not follow the "rules..." they just don't teach you that in high school. So you end up with kids who see through the bullshit but aren't given another option.

Besides, Eric was charming and a smart kid. I'm sure he could have found a purpose and a point in life. He had a strong love for the military. He got rejected by the Marines 5 days before the massacre, which probably even fueled his thoughts on how life is pointless. But he still had a strong love for technology and video games and could have possibly pursued a career in one of those fields and been happy.

I'm not convinced Eric's unofficial implied rejection from the Marines made a difference. Nobody even told him he was rejected. The officer left a message for him to call back, and that's all. He told people at school he had been rejected, and I don't think he cared at all. That was just another act.

Here's why.

On April 12th, 8 days before the shooting, Eric recorded on one of the "Basement Tapes" the following:

"For the past few weeks, my parents have hounded me about the things I've neglected: my application to the Marines; my car insurance; my checking account. But they don't know that none of that matters to me."

At the time he recorded that his Marines application didn't matter to him, the recruiter had not yet visited Eric's home. His medication (Luvox) had not come into question . Eric did not care about joining the Marines long before there was even a possibility he may not be eligible. He was playing everyone like a piano.

So, when Staff Sergeant Gonzales visited his home three days later on the 15th, Eric was just going through the motions. He didn't really care.

It's easy to think that his implied rejection added to his rage, but the evidence doesn't support that.

He didn't have a strong love for the military, either - he had a strong love for improvised explosives and weapons and killing. I don't think he would have lasted a week in the actual military. His contempt for authority would have gotten him kicked out.

It's hard to understand Eric when you look at him and analyze his actions through the lens of your own logic, worldview, and reasoning... you have to get out of your world and into his world to understand. He was manipulating everyone to maintain appearances. He had to, if he wanted to go undetected.

He really didn't care about the Marines at all, and his taped statement prior to the home visit proves it.

EthanEmerson wrote:

I'm not convinced Eric's unofficial implied rejection from the Marines made a difference. Nobody even told him he was rejected. The officer left a message for him to call back, and that's all. He told people at school he had been rejected, and I don't think he cared at all. That was just another act.

Here's why.

On April 12th, 8 days before the shooting, Eric recorded on one of the "Basement Tapes" the following:

"For the past few weeks, my parents have hounded me about the things I've neglected: my application to the Marines; my car insurance; my checking account. But they don't know that none of that matters to me."

At the time he recorded that his Marines application didn't matter to him, the recruiter had not yet visited Eric's home. His medication (Luvox) had not come into question . Eric did not care about joining the Marines long before there was even a possibility he may not be eligible. He was playing everyone like a piano.

So, when Staff Sergeant Gonzales visited his home three days later on the 15th, Eric was just going through the motions. He didn't really care.

It's easy to think that his implied rejection added to his rage, but the evidence doesn't support that.

He didn't have a strong love for the military, either - he had a strong love for improvised explosives and weapons and killing. I don't think he would have lasted a week in the actual military. His contempt for authority would have gotten him kicked out.

It's hard to understand Eric when you look at him and analyze his actions through the lens of your own logic, worldview, and reasoning... you have to get out of your world and into his world to understand. He was manipulating everyone to maintain appearances. He had to, if he wanted to go undetected.

He really didn't care about the Marines at all, and his taped statement prior to the home visit proves it.

Huh, did not know that. Thanks for the info.
Also adds to my point of him being charming, very manipulative. And yeah, he had to be. If he showed how he really was on the inside, he would have been stopped long before he even got the chance to even start planning it.

Not only was Eric never actually rejected (he never even turned in a completed application so he could not have been rejected) but... here's the kicker.

Psychotropic medication is not an automatic disqualification for service. The military prescribes much of those same medications to soldiers. Prior to the Iraq war in 1993, soldiers could not go into combat on psychiatric drugs. However, after 1993 that changed and many psychiatrists won't even approve deployment UNLESS their patients/soldiers are taking psychiatric drugs. That's scary, right?

Also, today, one out of every six soldiers takes prescription drugs including anti-depressants like Zoloft, anti-psychotics, narcotics, sedatives, anti-anxiety drugs, and amphetamines. And like I said, that has been in effect since 1993.6 years prior to Eric's unofficial 'application.'

So, not only was Eric never told he was disqualified, but the fact that he was taking medication was not an automatic disqualifier in the first place.

Most people don't know this though...

Yep! Totally charming and manipulative!

Hell bent on destruction and willing to do anything to keep it under wraps...

EthanEmerson wrote:

Yep! Totally charming and manipulative!

Hell bent on destruction and willing to do anything to keep it under wraps...

You seem like a cool guy lol, but it sounds like you kind of, commend what Eric and Dylan did. I really hope not.

The one thing that confuses me most is that he wrote about how his medication was helping him feel calm, and so he stopped taking it so he could build on the rage. I wonder if he really did stop taking it or if he just took it intermittently, because there was a small amount in his system when they did the autopsy...

It's one thing to stop medication, and another to take it inconsistently... I always wonder if he took it in front of his parents just so they wouldn't catch on... or if he purposely took it sporadically to push himself further over the edge...

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] just stating the truth of what I see!

EthanEmerson wrote:

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] just stating the truth of what I see!

Yeah, so am I. I'm saying Eric was charming and manipulative, which he was. But not saying that in a way as a compliment, since he was charming for all the wrong reasons. lol

Yup. Exactly. He just knew how to get his way with people. He had everyone fooled. It's a great skill to have when you're trying to plan a surprise birthday party... not so great when you're planning destruction...

EthanEmerson wrote:

Yup. Exactly. He just knew how to get his way with people. He had everyone fooled. It's a great skill to have when you're trying to plan a surprise birthday party... not so great when you're planning destruction...

Tbh, if I knew Dylan, I would have been his friend. He had plenty friends and was a very cool and genuine kid. But Eric had few friends for a reason, I believe he just wasn't a fun person to be around, kind of a dick. So idk if I'd have gotten a long with Eric.

Crazy to think if they never did this, they'd be nearly 40 years old today and just be people no one knew about. But everyone knows who Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold are. Very infamous.

It does seem that way, yeah... like it would be harder to get along with Eric. For sure. I don't think I would have gotten along with him at all in high school. I wasn't easy to get along with, either. lol

EthanEmerson wrote:

It does seem that way, yeah... like it would be harder to get along with Eric. For sure. I don't think I would have gotten along with him at all in high school. I wasn't easy to get along with, either. lol

It still boggles me what did Dylan see in Eric? Why did he like Eric so much? I think it was because they fed off each other’s anger and despair and both had the dream of NBK.

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I think Dylan was pretty loyal to people. Eric didn’t have anyone to connect with and Dylan was this shy and super smart kid who never wanted to let anyone down. As Dylan kept feeling abandoned by his friends, Eric was there.

I’ve read that Eric later in HS would tell Dylan that no one else really liked him. Dylan was probably able to be really angry around Eric and Eric may have been able to be vulnerable around Dylan.

They didn’t seem to have a ton of common interests later in their friendship. They were pretty different.


Just my 2 cents...

Tomorrow will be a cold and snowy day.

Rachel and Dylan’s funerals were 19 years ago tomorrow. Both covered by the news. Both drastically different. Rachel had thousands. Dylan had about 12. Some reports say Zach attended, that was never confirmed. His, Nate’s and Brooks”s patents did.

First of 14 funerals. The only one we don’t have info on is Eric’s

Which is sadly prophetic given how unloved and alone Eric felt.

Screamingophelia wrote:

Tomorrow will be a cold and snowy day.

Rachel and Dylan’s funerals were 19 years ago tomorrow. Both covered by the news. Both drastically different. Rachel had thousands. Dylan had about 12. Some reports say Zach attended, that was never confirmed. His, Nate’s and Brooks”s patents  did.

First of 14 funerals. The only one we don’t have info on is Eric’s

Which is sadly prophetic given how unloved and alone Eric felt.

And how much more he's demonized compared to his partner in crime.

QuestionMark wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

Tomorrow will be a cold and snowy day.

Rachel and Dylan’s funerals were 19 years ago tomorrow. Both covered by the news. Both drastically different. Rachel had thousands. Dylan had about 12. Some reports say Zach attended, that was never confirmed. His, Nate’s and Brooks”s patents  did.

First of 14 funerals. The only one we don’t have info on is Eric’s

Which is sadly prophetic given how unloved and alone Eric felt.

And how much more he's demonized compared to his partner in crime.

Yes, I mentioned in another thread I never quite noticed that Sue calls the massacre "Eric's plan" a couple of times, that makes me feel foolish but while she says she understands Dylan's cruelty and behavior she does seem to place most of the blame on Eric.

People who think Eric was a charming psychopath have never watched the full Eric in Columbine video, at the very least.

QuestionMark wrote:

Screamingophelia wrote:

Tomorrow will be a cold and snowy day.

Rachel and Dylan’s funerals were 19 years ago tomorrow. Both covered by the news. Both drastically different. Rachel had thousands. Dylan had about 12. Some reports say Zach attended, that was never confirmed. His, Nate’s and Brooks”s patents  did.

First of 14 funerals. The only one we don’t have info on is Eric’s

Which is sadly prophetic given how unloved and alone Eric felt.

And how much more he's demonized compared to his partner in crime.

To true.