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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:08 pm

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Tomorrow will be a cold and snowy day.

Rachel and Dylan’s funerals were 19 years ago tomorrow. Both covered by the news. Both drastically different. Rachel had thousands. Dylan had about 12. Some reports say Zach attended, that was never confirmed. His, Nate’s and Brooks”s patents  did.

First of 14 funerals. The only one we don’t have info on is Eric’s

Which is sadly prophetic given how unloved and alone Eric felt.

And how much more he's demonized compared to his partner in crime.

Yes, I mentioned in another thread I never quite noticed that Sue calls the massacre "Eric's plan" a couple of times, that makes me feel foolish but while she says she understands Dylan's cruelty and behavior she does seem to place most of the blame on Eric.

People who think Eric was a charming psychopath have never watched the full Eric in Columbine video, at the very least.

Yes. Watching Eric for a while on a normal day, he is not cracking jokes left and right and handing out compliments. He's the total opposite. He's observant and serves the occasional somewhat witty comment. I hate how every one labels him right off the bat as a psychopath cause that's all they've heard/read.

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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:14 pm

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I wonder what they would think of Cruz considering he committed such a horrible act and then left as though nothing had happened. And still as far as I am aware there's been no hint at what motivated him

Well if you take a closer look into his life you see that he was mentally unstable for a long time, and had to deal with the death of his mother, the loss of his girlfriend, and his expulsion all in a short amount of time, so really the motive is pretty plain to see.

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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:19 am

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I wonder what they would think of Cruz considering he committed such a horrible act and then left as though nothing had happened. And still as far as I am aware there's been no hint at what motivated him

Well if you take a closer look into his life you see that he was mentally unstable for a long time, and had to deal with the death of his mother, the loss of his girlfriend, and his expulsion all in a short amount of time, so really the motive is pretty plain to see.



Agreed. Cruz had been struggling for a number of years. He was basically a ticking time bomb just looking for a place to explode.

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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:06 am

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Tomorrow will be a cold and snowy day.

Rachel and Dylan’s funerals were 19 years ago tomorrow. Both covered by the news. Both drastically different. Rachel had thousands. Dylan had about 12. Some reports say Zach attended, that was never confirmed. His, Nate’s and Brooks”s patents  did.

First of 14 funerals. The only one we don’t have info on is Eric’s

Which is sadly prophetic given how unloved and alone Eric felt.

And how much more he's demonized compared to his partner in crime.

Yes, I mentioned in another thread I never quite noticed that Sue calls the massacre "Eric's plan" a couple of times, that makes me feel foolish but while she says she understands Dylan's cruelty and behavior she does seem to place most of the blame on Eric.

People who think Eric was a charming psychopath have never watched the full Eric in Columbine video, at the very least.

Yes. Watching Eric for a while on a normal day, he is not cracking jokes left and right and handing out compliments. He's the total opposite. He's observant and serves the occasional somewhat witty comment. I hate how every one labels him right off the bat as a psychopath cause that's all they've heard/read.

Exactly, they look at one aspect and think they have him pegged. They see hate when he clearly states that he hates himself the most. I think it surprises people that Dylan wanted to be friends with Eric but seeing how awkward he is, it makes sense. They were really opposite sides of the same coin.
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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:20 pm

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] oh wow it was an interview supposedly given in 2012. See, memory sucks haha

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I’m the one that interviewed him for that
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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:56 pm

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You know, as I get older, I come to realize just how little I knew about anything - myself or the world around me - when I was 17. The basic elements of who I am now were already there, but they were like the steel frame of a concrete building. So much had yet to be filled in. My mind, my body, and even my soul were still very much under construction.

Being roughly the same age as you are, I feel quite the opposite. Of course I learned new things and got new experiences (especially in terms of the economy, jobs etc) since I was 16. But I remain amazed how much "me" was already there when I was 16. My general outlook on life change little since and almost didn't change any since I was 20.

Maybe I'm just immature.

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On one hand, I can't say "a stable equilibrium" is what describes my life best. But its still surprising how little really changes despite sudden and great changes in jobs, income etc.


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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:08 pm

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NBK was actually originally planned for Monday, April 19 as late as April 11, 1999.


Basement tapes transcripts from a tape recorded April 11, 1999. Eric talking:

He says this is total “KMFDM” and that “there are 7 and 1/3 days left.” He gets an odd look on his face, then says, “Fucking bitches.” He then lists five names and says that he’s going to be “one tired motherfucker come Monday, then BOOM! I’ll get shot and die.”


I wonder what made them change from the 19th to the 20th.

There is a lot of speculation on this. The most widely believed is that they had to push the date back because Mark Manes kept forgetting to get the last of the ammo they needed.

He finally came through on the 4/19. So NBK was the following day on the 20th.

That and the fact that E&D were working on explosives right up till the attack. I'm not sure if they were all finished with that on Sunday 18th. But ammo was probably the decisive factor.

I've been thinking why they chose 4/20 (which I'm sure they knew is both "smoke pot day" and "skip school day") as that day there would be less people in school than on the 21st.

The only real thing that came to my mind is that April 21st was both "Yom Ha'atzmaut" (was Dylan's Mother planning to celebrate it in some way that would hinder Dylan) and "Administrative Professionals Day" (did Teachers in the USA 1990s celebrate it in any way that could hinder their plans?).

Or were just Eric and Dylan uneasy with sitting on the ready made bombs and ammo supplies? Maybe they just thought taht each passing day increases the chances they get caught?

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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:53 pm

They had to of picked out that date on purpose. With their bad sense of humor, it just had to have been a date they chose on purpose.
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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:03 pm

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They had to of picked out that date on purpose. With their bad sense of humor, it just had to have been a date they chose on purpose.
It was supposed to be on the 19th but the ammunition for Eric's guns arrived a day late.
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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:48 pm

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They had to of picked out that date on purpose. With their bad sense of humor, it just had to have been a date they chose on purpose.

well from what i understand they wanted to do it on 4/19 because that's the anniversary of the oklahoma city bombing but 4/20 worked too because it was hitler's 110th birthday.
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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:18 pm

I have been reading about Brenda Spencer and I wondered if it ever entered their minds that they might have some comparison to her if they committed the crime on 4/19.  I know they wanted to stand out from other school shootings but I would bet they took notice of some of what they would consider “mistakes” of past mass shooters.
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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:51 pm

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I have been reading about Brenda Spencer and I wondered if it ever entered their minds that they might have some comparison to her if they committed the crime on 4/19.  I know they wanted to stand out from other school shootings but I would bet they took notice of some of what they would consider “mistakes” of past mass shooters.

I don't think they knew of that many other school shooters.

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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:11 pm

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I have been reading about Brenda Spencer and I wondered if it ever entered their minds that they might have some comparison to her if they committed the crime on 4/19.  I know they wanted to stand out from other school shootings but I would bet they took notice of some of what they would consider “mistakes” of past mass shooters.

I don't think they knew of that many other school shooters.

1999 when the internet was small, when wikipedia and google didn't provide comfy lists of schooters or lists of other stuff.

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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:30 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - did you interview Castaldo in person, or was it online?

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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:52 am

According to a mothers reckoning 19 years ago this morning her and Tom saw the basement tapes for the first time.

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