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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:10 am

Thanks for doing this, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]! It gives some great perspective.


Do you have a document of the dates or something for this?
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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:37 pm

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Do you have a document of the dates or something for this?

No, not really. Every day I type things like "4 12 99 columbine" into Google to see what comes up.

By the way, I didn't forget Eric's birthday, but I was really busy on Monday and didn't get around to updating the thread. I knew that others would take note of it.

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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:49 pm

Here's an interesting little tidbit for tomorrow's date:

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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:26 pm

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Here's an interesting little tidbit for tomorrow's date:


i wonder if the kids were eric and dylan or t-coat mafia members if any were left.

why are they even associated with the t-coat mafia. dusters are actually pretty cool, i'd wear a black one but i don't want to look like a school shooter or get my school all butthurt. really ruined a cool dressing style.

edit: i honestly think eric and dylan said they were t-coat mafia members to make it seem like they were wearing dusters for that so nobody would be suspicious on the day of the shooting

also i once got in trouble for wearing a pocketless tan duster:roll: yes i'll hide my assault 1 shot pellet gun and my airsoft spring pistol i'm sure that will do a lot of damage and destruction yes

ugh people are so paranoid about you being a shooter these days.
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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:38 pm

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why are they even associated with the t-coat mafia.

Well I take it there weren't that many other people at Columbine who wore trench coats to school. Plus, wasn't Chris Morris associated with the Trenchcoat Mafia? Most people probably associated them with it for those reasons alone.

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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:58 pm

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why are they even associated with the t-coat mafia.

Well I take it there weren't that many other people at Columbine who wore trench coats to school. Plus, wasn't Chris Morris associated with the Trenchcoat Mafia? Most people probably associated them with it for those reasons alone.

Robyn referred to E&D in her “Ode to the Trench Coat Mafia” since it wasn’t an “official group” I don’t know that anyone belonged to it...

Eric in his Hitmen for Hire paper referred to his business as the Trench Coat Mafia.

I think Kristin Theibault and Marla Faust were members and Dylan asked Marla to the prom and went On a date with Kristin...

They’d be more of the “alternative kids” in a school like mine back then. I always found trench coats chic.

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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:42 pm

Just wondering, why do you do it on march 1st, why not April 20th?
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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:09 pm

Today, April 16th would've been a Friday in 1999. This will be the final weekend 13 victims and E&H will ever experience and the final 2 full days they're with their families.

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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:31 am

Tomorrow April 17 and that was the night of the CHS Prom "A Night To Remember" I think was the theme.
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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:32 am

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Here's an interesting little tidbit for tomorrow's date:

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Were they saying the people were in an "altercation" like if it was E and D they were fighting?
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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:38 am

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Tomorrow April 17 and that was the night of the CHS Prom "A Night To Remember" I think was the theme.

And to think that 2-3 days ago was the anniversary of the Titanic sinking. I mention this because 1. it sank in April, and 2. "A night to Remember" is the name of a book/film that got the ship some fame before the 97' film

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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:45 am

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Tomorrow April 17 and that was the night of the CHS Prom "A Night To Remember" I think was the theme.

And to think that 2-3 days ago was the anniversary of the Titanic sinking. I mention this because 1. it sank in April, and 2. "A night to Remember" is the name of a book/film that got the ship some fame before the 97' film

I didn't know that, so many eerie things and coincidences.
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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:47 am

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Tomorrow April 17 and that was the night of the CHS Prom "A Night To Remember" I think was the theme.

And to think that 2-3 days ago was the anniversary of the Titanic sinking. I mention this because 1. it sank in April, and 2. "A night to Remember" is the name of a book/film that got the ship some fame before the 97' film

I didn't know that, so many eerie things and coincidences.

As Bill Nye would say, "Well now you know"

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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:33 am

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Were they saying the people were in an "altercation" like if it was E and D they were fighting?
There is more information on this, interviews with Smith and her husband on 13535 -13539.

She used the word "confrontation" when she described what she saw with the cars during the interview. She first discussed seeing someone who matched Eric's description walking up the stairs by the library/cafeteria and another boy that she couldn't really see in a trench coat by the soccer field. Then, about ten to fifteen minutes later, she saw a black BMW "tailgating" a white Honda as they walked north on Pierce by the school. They walked west along the path by Bowles and noticed the same two cars near the entrance of Clement Park, with the BMW still tailgating the Honda.

She also discussed an incident with several young males near the open gym door on a different day.

I think her husband said that the day on which they saw the group of males was the same day that they saw the cars. He couldn't name the models but said that the white car could have been a Honda or Toyota. He said that as they approached Bowles, going north on Pierce, the  white car was "chasing" the black car. He also said that when they got close to the entrance to the library, the two cars were at the IHOP across the street and there were police cars there with lights on. He described the encounter with the young male as happening on a different day. The male was walking up the grassy area next to the stairs as they walked down and there may have been another male at the top of the stairs, near the entrance to the school. He said that his wife had subsequently identified the male near the stairs as one of the Columbine shooters after seeing him on television.

I would guess that she called it an "altercation" because it looked like a situation where the person in back was trying to chase down the person in front to confront him about something. They disagreed on which car was chasing the other one, according to the reports.
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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:34 am

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Were they saying the people were in an "altercation" like if it was E and D they were fighting?
There is more information on this, interviews with Smith and her husband on 13535 -13539.

She used the word "confrontation" when she described what she saw with the cars during the interview. She first discussed seeing someone who matched Eric's description walking up the stairs by the library/cafeteria and another boy that she couldn't really see in a trench coat by the soccer field. Then, about ten to fifteen minutes later, she saw a black BMW "tailgating" a white Honda as they walked north on Pierce by the school. They walked west along the path by Bowles and noticed the same two cars near the entrance of Clement Park, with the BMW still tailgating the Honda.

She also discussed an incident with several young males near the open gym door on a different day.

I think her husband said that the day on which they saw the group of males was the same day that they saw the cars. He couldn't name the models but said that the white car could have been a Honda or Toyota. He said that as they approached Bowles, going north on Pierce, the  white car was "chasing" the black car. He also said that when they got close to the entrance to the library, the two cars were at the IHOP across the street and there were police cars there with lights on. He described the encounter with the young male as happening on a different day. The male was walking up the grassy area next to the stairs as they walked down and there may have been another male at the top of the stairs, near the entrance to the school. He said that his wife had subsequently identified the male near the stairs as one of the Columbine shooters after seeing him on television.

I would guess that she called it an "altercation" because it looked like a situation where the person in back was trying to chase down the person in front to confront him about something. They disagreed on which car was chasing the other one, according to the reports.




Just another infuriating example of how the witness reports are SUCH a mess to read and get accurate info from. Mad

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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:56 pm

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Tomorrow April 17 and that was the night of the CHS Prom "A Night To Remember" I think was the theme.

I've always thought it was New York New York? I remember hearing it in some documentary "... a homage to the Big apple..."
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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:23 pm

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Tomorrow April 17 and that was the night of the CHS Prom "A Night To Remember" I think was the theme.

I've always thought it was New York New York? I remember hearing it in some documentary "... a homage to the Big apple..."

That was the after party theme I think ...

Or was that casino night??
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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:30 pm

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Tomorrow April 17 and that was the night of the CHS Prom "A Night To Remember" I think was the theme.

I've always thought it was New York New York? I remember hearing it in some documentary "... a homage to the Big apple..."

That was the after party theme I think ...

Or was that casino night??

I can't find the documentary and google isn't very helpful, I'm really confused but i'll look into it tomorrow if no one already knows!
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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:27 pm

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Tomorrow April 17 and that was the night of the CHS Prom "A Night To Remember" I think was the theme.

I've always thought it was New York New York? I remember hearing it in some documentary "... a homage to the Big apple..."

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Whatever group people belonged to, everyone was welcome at the after-prom party last weekend. The theme was "New York, New York."

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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:28 pm

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At senior prom over the weekend, the white tablecloths were covered with flower petals and candles, and students slow-danced to the theme song, "The Way You Look Tonight.''

It all seemed so dreamlike.

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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:59 pm

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At senior prom over the weekend, the white tablecloths were covered with flower petals and candles, and students slow-danced to the theme song, "The Way You Look Tonight.''

It all seemed so dreamlike.

Thank you!

I read somewhere that Cassie didn’t go to prom but there’s that pic of her in the black dress putting lipstick on.
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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:59 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Someone posted a YT clip with just the E&D parts from I'm Not Ashamed... I just watched that clip a few days ago. I haven't watched the whole movie, but I think you're right, that scene was probably not that far off...

I think, partly because they did get better actors than what past documentaries have had... whatever that one documentary was with the actor playing Dylan who was snarling all the time really didn't play his part well... he was a total mismatch. Not sure I can get behind the I'm Not Ashamed film, but I didn't think it was unrealistic unlike other scenes in other films!


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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:04 pm

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Screamingophelia Someone posted a YT clip with just the E&D parts from I'm Not Ashamed... I just watched that clip a few days ago. I haven't watched the whole movie, but I think you're right, that scene was probably not that far off...

I think, partly because they did get better actors than what past documentaries have had... whatever that one documentary was with the actor playing Dylan who was snarling all the time really didn't play his part well... he was a total mismatch. Not sure I can get behind the I'm Not Ashamed film, but I didn't think it was unrealistic unlike other scenes in other films!

I think the documentary you are talking about is Zero Hour. Lord the acting was terrible, I nearly couldn't take it seriously, it almost felt like a comedy rendition. The documentary itself I thought was pretty good, just god damn the acting.

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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:15 pm

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At senior prom over the weekend, the white tablecloths were covered with flower petals and candles, and students slow-danced to the theme song, "The Way You Look Tonight.''

It all seemed so dreamlike.

Thank you!

I read somewhere that Cassie didn’t go to prom but there’s that pic of her in the black dress putting lipstick on.

You're welcome.



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There she was in the photos, tiny and on her rocking horse, older with braces, serving as a flower girl in someone's wedding, standing with her family around the Christmas tree, jumping on a trampoline and putting on eye make-up and a long black dress for the prom.

"James" wrote her a letter after she died:

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"I remember hanging out for hours at after-prom two and a half days earlier. I know you're in a better place and I can't wait to be with you and also to be as lucky as you and meet the maker. - James.''

Not to be cruel, but I wouldn't say that Cassie was "lucky"...

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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:36 pm

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Someone posted a YT clip with just the E&D parts from I'm Not Ashamed... I just watched that clip a few days ago. I haven't watched the whole movie, but I think you're right, that scene was probably not that far off...

I'd rather watch a Cullen directed Columbine movie than have to watch I'm Not Ashamed, that movie is Christian fundamentalist propaganda from what I've heard.

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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:51 pm

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I think the documentary you are talking about is Zero Hour. Lord the acting was terrible, I nearly couldn't take it seriously, it almost felt like a comedy rendition. The documentary itself I thought was pretty good, just god damn the acting.[/quote]

Ah yep that was it, I blocked the name from my memory haha it must have been worse than I remember if I can't even remember the title!

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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:54 am

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At senior prom over the weekend, the white tablecloths were covered with flower petals and candles, and students slow-danced to the theme song, "The Way You Look Tonight.''

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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:39 pm

At this very moment nineteen years ago, it was late afternoon on a Sunday - the last Sunday of their lives.

Of the fifteen who died on 4/20, thirteen were looking forward to the week ahead, and the weekend after that, and all the days and weeks and months and years and decades that loomed far off in the future. Only Eric and Dylan knew that they wouldn't make it past Tuesday.

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PostSubject: Re: Nineteen years of Columbine   Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:14 pm

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At this very moment nineteen years ago, it was late afternoon on a Sunday - the last Sunday of their lives.

Of the fifteen who died on 4/20, thirteen were looking forward to the week ahead, and the weekend after that, and all the days and weeks and months and years and decades that loomed far off in the future. Only Eric and Dylan knew that they wouldn't make it past Tuesday.

Being in Denver right now, I was watching the sunset and it was so beautiful and I had a very similar thought.

Tomorrow morning Dylan woke up and filmed the breakfast run video with Dustin and other classmates, knowing they may be dead and he most assuredly would be.
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PostSubject: bagulabhalgaublahlg   Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:29 pm

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Someone posted a YT clip with just the E&D parts from I'm Not Ashamed... I just watched that clip a few days ago. I haven't watched the whole movie, but I think you're right, that scene was probably not that far off...

I'd rather watch a Cullen directed Columbine movie than have to watch I'm Not Ashamed, that movie is Christian fundamentalist propaganda from what I've heard.

"I'm Not Ashamed" is not a very good film but it's probably not quite as awful as you'd been told. It is at least SLIGHTLY close to even-handed when dealing with Rachel as a character. She is made out to be troubled about her faith and is not really made out to be a "saint." I have to give the movie that much. The actress who plays her, while obviously a lot taller than the real Rachel, does a decent job. And the Duck Dynasty people who are in the movie aren't in it for very long, which is pretty nice.

The scenes with Eric and Dylan play out curiously like they're trying to troll people like us at this board, the people who have obsessively studied everything about E&D--there is a scene of Eric spinning something on a table like in "Eric Inside Columbine," there is a cheesy recreation of a "Hitmen For Hire"-like video, an atheistic cigarette-smoking character Rachel talks to who is almost certainly meant to be Brooks Brown, and Dylan is seen at the prom, sporting that knot in the back of his hair and slow-dancing with a girl who is staring off into the distance. Nick Baumgart, Rachel's prom date, has been amusingly recast as a giggly Asian dude.
NOTE: in keeping with Cullen's basic theory, Dylan is made out to be a nicer person than Eric. He is shown muttering things at Eric like "that's crazy bro" when Eric blabbers about killing everybody.

Of course, the central controversy is that Richard Castaldo's (unlikely IMO) testimony about E&D is exploited in the film, with E&D snarling at Rachel about God before killing her. So that means the "do you believe in God" thing has gone from being Valeen, to Cassie, to Rachel. If they were to make a movie about Kelly Fleming I bet they'd have them asking *her*, too.

The movie does promote Christian values by having Rachel abandon her friends--God knows what real-life girls these people are based off of--because they drink and hook up with boys. These are actually the most laughable scenes in the movie. Guess I couldn't avoid it.

Rachel Scott remains something of an odd figure in the Columbine because everyone tries to lay claim to her--her family, the Christian crowd, and Columbiners of all religious stripes. Many Columbiners seem to leverage their own uncomfortableness with her fundamentalist beliefs by claiming that "deep down" she was an atheist or at least deeply conflicted about her beliefs. Or, more hilariously, that Rachel herself was some sort of a Columbine bully in contrast with her saintly image, with an apocryphal story about her pushing another girl down the stairs. It's one of the more fascinating aspects of Columbine discussion since she has now surpassed Cassie as the most famous of the 13 victims.

Tomorrow marks the anniversary of Waco (1993) and Oklahoma City (1995) which influenced Columbine in a strange sort of 90s violence cycle that I often refer to.
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