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PostSubject: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:29 pm

This song was released by KMFDM in the early 2000's. What do you think about it?

I'm sure Eric and Dylan's ashes are crying.

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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:55 pm

In essence they gave the boys what they wanted as well. They could’ve turned into a positive- KMFDM roasted us in a song, awesome.

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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:45 pm

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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:13 pm

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In essence they gave the boys what they wanted as well. They could’ve turned into a positive- KMFDM roasted us in a song, awesome.

Something tells me that Eric and Dylan didn't care whether they were hated or loved, admired or despised, praised or condemned, so long as they were remembered.

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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:55 pm

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This song was released by KMFDM in the early 2000's. What do you think about it?

I'm sure Eric and Dylan's ashes are crying.

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I think they would've liked it.

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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:21 pm

i remember this cringey kid that made bad gmod videos (@InsaneIntruder you know who) always played this song in gmod and a bunch of columbine kids think its supporting columbine which is real dumb
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PostSubject: one never can tell   Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:55 pm

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In essence they gave the boys what they wanted as well. They could’ve turned into a positive- KMFDM roasted us in a song, awesome.

Something tells me that Eric and Dylan didn't care whether they were hated or loved, admired or despised, praised or condemned, so long as they were remembered.

You're possibly right. BUT...it's also possible that everything about E&D was a big pose. Hey, it's frequently argued *here* that Eric didn't really mean anything he said in his journals and we all know how teenage boys are...they'll be hurt but pretend they ironically "understand" it and are laughing at it.
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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:34 am

I do think they would be hurt,"give praise to this motherfucking white trash scum!", don't think Eric would've liked that one and he probably would've gotten really defensive and angry. They loved that band, and the band disowned them, it would build resentment and bitter feelings for sure.

It feels like a good scolding from a superior, I would've loved to hear them react or reply to the "Now listen up kid, it ain't cool to shoot up your school", especially with that entry in Erics journal "don't let that Eric KID come along..." (paraphrasing).
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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:17 am

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i remember this cringey kid that made bad gmod videos ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] you know who) always played this song in gmod and a bunch of columbine kids think its supporting columbine which is real dumb
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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:32 am

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I do think they would be hurt,"give praise to this motherfucking white trash scum!", don't think Eric would've liked that one and he probably would've gotten really defensive and angry.

Status meant a lot to Eric. To be lumped in with white trash would've been seen as rather demeaning I imagine.

I think on the whole they'd still like the song though. It sounds very nice.

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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:51 pm

In one of their American tours they flashed images of Eric and Dylan and their journals on the screen behind them while they played,.
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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:28 pm

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i remember this cringey kid that made bad gmod videos (@InsaneIntruder you know who) always played this song in gmod and a bunch of columbine kids think its supporting columbine which is real dumb
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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:43 am

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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:47 am

Hahahah I fucking love KMFDM and that song. It's great too because after Columbine happened, KMFDM had to explain that their songs were often mockeries and critiques of society and not actually meant to be taken at face value. And I honestly think Eric and Dylan (Eric especially) had no idea of this. Take the song "Professional Killer" for instance (released in 2005 but still): I'm positive Eric would have not only liked it, but would have thought the song was in favor of killing people or something and even referred to he and Dylan as "Professional Killers," just as they did with songs like "Dogma," which was literally a mockery of society, and yet they took like two lines from it and made it their mantra.

Hate me for saying it but they were honestly not as intelligent as everyone plays them up to be.
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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:04 am

I wonder if the Wrath shirt was an homage to the song, just because of the line "I'm the devil in disguise" or one of the deadly sins.. or if he just thought it looked "cool"

I have no doubt Eric took a line or 2 from a song or a book that he liked and just went with it... like "yep, that's how I feel" without looking at context at times.

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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:48 pm

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I like the subtle Brenda Spencer reference.
That line's actually how I found out about the movie Falling Down, because someone in the comments thought it was referencing the cover of the movie.
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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:54 pm

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I do think they would be hurt,"give praise to this motherfucking white trash scum!", don't think Eric would've liked that one and he probably would've gotten really defensive and angry.

Status meant a lot to Eric. To be lumped in with white trash would've been seen as rather demeaning I imagine.



I think on the whole they'd still like the song though. It sounds very nice.

I don’t think Dylan would have liked it either

Though having their pictures up during a tour of KMFDM would probably have been cool to them

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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:13 pm

God, KMFDM is so lame. I always expected them to be awesome and then heard them and it's just so lukewarm. Do they have any actual fans besides Columbiners?

Also, they are horrible at writing "social critique" just as the ones who made NBK. If your social critique is barely distinguishable from glorification, you're probably a shit writer.

If you want to criticize someone, you don't give them voice for 9/10 of the songs with a few lame slogans inserted.

It just makes me angry that it's so shitty and so many levels.

Like compare it to actual stuff like Why'd You Bring A Shotgun to a Party by Pretty Reckless or that Sturmgeist song about Pekka. Or even the Send Request song about Randy Stair.
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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:29 pm

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God, KMFDM is so lame. I always expected them to be awesome and then heard them and it's just so lukewarm. Do they have any actual fans besides Columbiners?

Also, they are horrible at writing "social critique" just as the ones who made NBK. If your social critique is barely distinguishable from glorification, you're probably a shit writer.

If you want to criticize someone, you don't give them voice for 9/10 of the songs with a few lame slogans inserted.

It just makes me angry that it's so shitty and so many levels.

Like compare it to actual stuff like Why'd You Bring A Shotgun to a Party by Pretty Reckless or that Sturmgeist song about Pekka. Or even the Send Request song about Randy Stair.
Can you name the songs that Send Request and Sturmgeist made?

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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:28 pm

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God, KMFDM is so lame. I always expected them to be awesome and then heard them and it's just so lukewarm. Do they have any actual fans besides Columbiners?

Also, they are horrible at writing "social critique" just as the ones who made NBK. If your social critique is barely distinguishable from glorification, you're probably a shit writer.

If you want to criticize someone, you don't give them voice for 9/10 of the songs with a few lame slogans inserted.

It just makes me angry that it's so shitty and so many levels.

Like compare it to actual stuff like Why'd You Bring A Shotgun to a Party by Pretty Reckless or that Sturmgeist song about Pekka. Or even the Send Request song about Randy Stair.
Can you name the songs that Send Request and Sturmgeist made?
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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:27 pm

And, after listening to this song from them, I am no longer a fan - at all.
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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:48 am

Hilariously, I'm just now, at age 36, getting around to listening to Nine Inch Nails' The Downward Spiral. I was a huge alt-rock fan in the 90s and 00s but never heard this disc, so popular with E&D.

God, Trent Reznor's singing style is so annoying. "GAWWWWD IS DEAD!!! AND NOOOO ONE CARES!" He's worse than Billy Corgan, for God's sake.

The song "The Becoming" makes me think of Columbine, because of the bloodcurdling loop of screaming sounds you hear through the entire song. Not a good thing to have playing when you're looking through Columbine pics/footage. (The screams are taken from Stuart Gordon's movie "Robot Jox.")

This album is okay, I guess. I thought I'd hate it, but atmospherically it's still pretty good in spite of Reznor's juvenile lyrics and subject matter. And his godawful singing style.
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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:46 pm

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This album is okay, I guess.  I thought I'd hate it, but atmospherically it's still pretty good in spite of Reznor's juvenile lyrics and subject matter.  And his godawful singing style.
Why "juvenile"? IIRC they were fuelled with drugs and clinical depression.

Also, heard the quality of his album got a bit dip when recovered from depression and went clean so it's probably more like "thanks to" rather than "in spite".
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PostSubject: reznor   Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:28 pm

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This album is okay, I guess.  I thought I'd hate it, but atmospherically it's still pretty good in spite of Reznor's juvenile lyrics and subject matter.  And his godawful singing style.
Why "juvenile"? IIRC they were fuelled with drugs and clinical depression.

Also, heard the quality of his album got a bit dip when recovered from depression and went clean so it's probably more like "thanks to" rather than "in spite".

Because of how whiny and nihilistic and over the top the whole thing is. Hey, I've liked that sort of thing before--The Cure's "Pornography," the Smashing Pumpkins' "Mellon Collie & The Infinite Sadness." But man does Reznor tread most of this album one inch away from the laughability line.

It's no shock that E&D would have liked this stuff.
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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:42 pm

Never heard this song and my boyfriend is somewhat a fan of their music. It's not for me personally. But thanks for sharing!

I think Eric and Dylan would have liked it. They wanted to be famous after all, didn't they? The song is shitting on them, but I think they would have made it positive. "At least there's a song about us right?"
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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:40 am

I think Eric and Dylan would indeed be offended and hurt. They thought a lot of this band and to hear this band shit on them, I think it would have made them disown the band and become fans no more. Furthermore, I think instead of KMFDM insulting and "shitting" on these two boys the way KMFDM did, KMFDM should have used their platform to bring awareness out of the 4/20 situation, bring awareness to the issues of mental illness, bullying and other issues that surrounded the 4/20 tragedy, the way Marilyn Manson did in interviews and such, and the way a few others did - music artists and non-music artists, but to degrade, insult and "shit" on these two teens, who obviously had serious emotional and mental issues, what good does that do? How does that bring awareness to 4/20? Or help others heal from that tragedy? Learn from that tragedy? I learned so much from Marilyn saying in an interview, "if I could meet Eric and Dylan, I wouldn't say anything. I'd just listen to them because I think that's what no one did." I learned so much regarding the 4/20 tragedy, just from Marilyn making that one statement.

So this KMFDM song, I didn't like it and no, I don't think Eric and Dylan would've either. Some claim Eric and Dylan wanted to be famous, all right, some may disagree with that, all right, but I think we can all agree to one thing though, and that is that they didn't want to be insulted or "shitted" on. They got that enough during their years at Columbine.

The way I see it, on 4/20, there were no winners, there were no losers, there were just victims - all around, from Eric, to Dylan, to Cassie, to - all of them, they were victims of different things.
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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:53 am

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This album is okay, I guess.  I thought I'd hate it, but atmospherically it's still pretty good in spite of Reznor's juvenile lyrics and subject matter.  And his godawful singing style.
Why "juvenile"? IIRC they were fuelled with drugs and clinical depression.

Also, heard the quality of his album got a bit dip when recovered from depression and went clean so it's probably more like "thanks to" rather than "in spite".

Because of how whiny and nihilistic and over the top the whole thing is.  Hey, I've liked that sort of thing before--The Cure's "Pornography," the Smashing Pumpkins' "Mellon Collie & The Infinite Sadness."  But man does Reznor tread most of this album one inch away from the laughability line.  

It's no shock that E&D would have liked this stuff.  
I would associate happiness and care-freeness with juvenility. That album sounds like mental illness.
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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:07 am

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I think Eric and Dylan would indeed be offended and hurt. They thought a lot of this band and to hear this band shit on them, I think it would have made them disown the band and become fans no more. Furthermore, I think instead of KMFDM insulting and "shitting" on these two boys the way KMFDM did, KMFDM should have used their platform to bring awareness out of the 4/20 situation, bring awareness to the issues of mental illness, bullying and other issues that surrounded the 4/20 tragedy, the way Marilyn Manson did in interviews and such, and the way a few others did - music artists and non-music artists, but to degrade, insult and "shit" on these two teens, who obviously had serious emotional and mental issues, what good does that do? How does that bring awareness to 4/20? Or help others heal from that tragedy? Learn from that tragedy?
To be honest, KMFDM strikes me as dumb, shallow and degenerate. And they can't even properly insult because they are too dumb to realise what they are singing.

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I learned so much from Marilyn saying in an interview, "if I could meet Eric and Dylan, I wouldn't say anything. I'd just listen to them because I think that's what no one did." I learned so much regarding the 4/20 tragedy, just from Marilyn making that one statement.
To be honest it sounds to me like just another shallow slogan based on blind guessing. Eric and Dylan were a part of a bigger group of disgruntled students who talked with each other. They also talked to their employer and coworkers about problems with school and the jocks.

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The way I see it, on 4/20, there were no winners, there were no losers, there were just victims - all around, from Eric, to Dylan, to Cassie, to - all of them, they were victims of different things.
I disagree. Eric and Dylan were clear winners. They had a decent kill ratio of 2:13, caused massive expenses which probably vastly outweighed costs of properly compensating for their psychological liquidation, managed to inflict massive psychological damage on the traitor/enemy hordes, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:47 am

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This song was released by KMFDM in the early 2000's. What do you think about it?

I'm sure Eric and Dylan's ashes are crying.

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People listen to this unironically? Sounds like someone autotuned cheerleaders performing different cheers but instead of team spirit it's about angsty teen stuff

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PostSubject: Re: KMFDM Roasting Eric and Dylan   Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:13 am

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I think Eric and Dylan would indeed be offended and hurt. They thought a lot of this band and to hear this band shit on them, I think it would have made them disown the band and become fans no more. Furthermore, I think instead of KMFDM insulting and "shitting" on these two boys the way KMFDM did, KMFDM should have used their platform to bring awareness out of the 4/20 situation, bring awareness to the issues of mental illness, bullying and other issues that surrounded the 4/20 tragedy, the way Marilyn Manson did in interviews and such, and the way a few others did - music artists and non-music artists, but to degrade, insult and "shit" on these two teens, who obviously had serious emotional and mental issues, what good does that do? How does that bring awareness to 4/20? Or help others heal from that tragedy? Learn from that tragedy?
To be honest, KMFDM strikes me as dumb, shallow and degenerate. And they can't even properly insult because they are too dumb to realise what they are singing.

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I learned so much from Marilyn saying in an interview, "if I could meet Eric and Dylan, I wouldn't say anything. I'd just listen to them because I think that's what no one did." I learned so much regarding the 4/20 tragedy, just from Marilyn making that one statement.
To be honest it sounds to me like just another shallow slogan based on blind guessing. Eric and Dylan were a part of a bigger group of disgruntled students who talked with each other. They also talked to their employer and coworkers about problems with school and the jocks.

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The way I see it, on 4/20, there were no winners, there were no losers, there were just victims - all around, from Eric, to Dylan, to Cassie, to - all of them, they were victims of different things.
I disagree. Eric and Dylan were clear winners. They had a decent kill ratio of 2:13, caused massive expenses which probably vastly outweighed costs of properly compensating for their psychological liquidation, managed to inflict massive psychological damage on the traitor/enemy hordes, etc.

So - you think Eric and Dylan were winners because they had a decent kill ratio? No, I don't think they were winners because in a non-hurting mind, they didn't really want to do what they did, but it was the only way they felt they could release their hurt and pain. So again, I say, there were no winners...Just victims - but we can agree to disagree
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