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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:09 am

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There are starting to release the victims names. Sad

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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:22 am

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Huh, guess its another incel killer.

That's like the fourth one so far, right? Elliot, Chris Mercer, Nick Cruz, and now this guy.
Cruz wasn't an Incel.
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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:40 am

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That's like the fourth one so far, right? Elliot, Chris Mercer, Nick Cruz, and now this guy.
Sodini, Lepine, and Hennard were the proto incel-shooters.
Michael Ryan was a proto incel-shooter as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:29 pm

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Alek Minassian, the man accused of steering a white rental van down a packed Toronto street killing 10 people and leaving 15 others injured, apparently praised the killer in a 2014 attack near the University of California, Santa Barbara.

Just before Monday's deadly attack, Minassian wrote on his Facebook page: "All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!"
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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:46 pm

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Just before Monday's deadly attack, Minassian wrote on his Facebook page: "All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!"


Good Grief. Rolling Eyes

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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:12 pm

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"The Toronto suspect researched the Elliot Rodger massacre in California in 2014, it has been claimed"
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Looks like a 4Chan stunt to me. This screenshot surfaced first in a /pol/ thread. The wording
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Private (Recruit) Minassian Infantry 00010, wishing to speak to Sgt 4chan please. C23249161. The Incel Rebellion has already begun! We Will overthrow all the Chads and Stacys! All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!
sounds a little too chliché to be true.

Well I guess they have to do something else other than blame Sam Hyde every time.

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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:45 pm

He managed to kill more than his idol did, he must be happy now.
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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:26 pm

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Maybe we need to ban vans, like the UK and Australia have done with guns?
I wish they will ban knives and forks soon and world'll be finally safe.
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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:30 pm

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He managed to kill more than his idol did, he must be happy now.
Even a guy armed only with a white pedo van can kill more than Rodger.

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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:32 pm

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I wish they will ban knives and forks soon and world'll be finally safe.
Well we're off to a good start, we've already banned those scary looking zombie knifes.

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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:52 pm

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Maybe we need to ban vans, like the UK and Australia have done with guns?
The idiots here are gonna make restrictions soon that makes people unable to buy knives online.

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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:15 pm

Unfortunatley, i predict ISIS will attack using a van again, possibly in Euorpe this time.
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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:11 pm

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Maybe we need to ban vans, like the UK and Australia have done with guns?
The idiots here are gonna make restrictions soon that makes people unable to buy knives online.

The UK was a mistake.

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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:38 am

After a number of videos surfacing in the last months of people getting shot while reaching for their toothbrush, it's great to see how Minassian was arrested. Worth mentioning.

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Longer version with commentary on arresting procedures in general and practices of the Toronto police:


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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:55 am

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The perfect hymn for vehicle ramming attacks?


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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:04 am

Former High School classmate Reza Fakhteh spoke to Global News about Minassian. (Sounds like Minassian had a bit of a Furry phase before Furrys were a thing.):

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“He’d basically just purr and meow and act like a cat. I never heard him speak,” said Fakhteh, who graduated in 2009. “He’d literally act like a person who was trying to act like a cat.”

Seemingly harmless and innocent, Minassian appeared to live in his own world, he said. “He didn’t talk,” Fakhteh said. “He ran away from girls. If you bothered him, he might hiss at you.”

Toronto Police is investigating the Incel Rebellion (shouldn't that read the "Incel Uprising"?) facebook post allegedly posted by Minassian:

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... Det.-Sgt. Graham Gibson said at a news conference.

Then he “is alleged to have posted a cryptic message on Facebook,” the homicide detective said. The brief message read, “The Incel Rebellion has already begun … All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!”"
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Facebook seemed to have confirmed the Incel Rebellion post came from the account belonging to Minassian. If that's really his wording, then I don' know...
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Minassian briefly joined the Canadian military. Another rampage killer who was in the miliary / tried to join the military:

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He didn't complete his recruit training and requested to be voluntarily released from the forces after 16 days of the training, according to the CAF."
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Minassian has been charged with 10 counts of first-degree murder and 13 counts of attempted murder and his next court hearing will be on May 10. He didn't enter a guilty or not-guilty plea.
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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:44 am

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Before allegedly killing 10 people with a van in Toronto, Alek Minassian appeared to have posted a message on Facebook that linked him to a toxic online community of misogynists that has become the source of a growing pattern of violence.

The Facebook post, which authorities who spoke with NBC News believe came from Minassian, links Minassian to an online community known as “incels,” short for involuntary celibates. The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation also reported that Facebook confirmed the authenticity of the post.

Self-described incels congregate mostly online, meeting in forums and message boards like Reddit and 4chan, and its offshoot site 8chan, to discuss their hopelessness with women in posts that are peppered with racist and misogynistic rants. “Chads” are incel-speak for good-looking men, who incels believe can’t be one of them. “Stacys” are the women who find “Chads” attractive.

The Facebook message also refers admiringly to Elliot Rodger, who killed six people in Isla Vista, California, in 2014, and left behind a manifesto and videos detailing his sexual frustration as the motivation for his violence.

Rodger has since emerged as a source of inspiration among the incel community.

“Private (Recruit) Minassian Infantry 00010, wishing to speak to Sgt 4chan please. C23249161. The Incel Rebellion has already begun! We will overthrow all the Chads and Stacys! All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!” Minassian allegedly posted.

Minassian’s post spread quickly among the incel community, many of whom rushed to embrace him.

“I hope this guy wrote a manifesto because he could be our next new saint,” one poster wrote on incel.me, a forum where incels congregate.

While some posters questioned whether Minassian, 25, was a “fakecel”—the term for someone whose average looks disqualifies him from community membership—most hailed him as a hero of the movement.

“Spread that name, speak of his sacrifice for our cause, worship him for he gave his life for our future,” one poster wrote.

Another poster wondered whether Minassian might have been acting on his own March call to action for incels to commit mass murder and serial rapes, a post on incels.me which has since been removed.

“I want to see some mass food poisoning deaths, maybe a pipe bomb or two, or hopefully somebody finally uses a f---ing truck to just ram down [women] during a school parade or something, mix it up a little,” wrote BlkPillPres, whose username is a nod to the black pill, lingo in the incel community for coming to the realization that a woman will never have sex with them.

Violence perpetrated by men connected to misogynistic online communities has become systemic enough to warrant attention from organizations that track hate groups. The Southern Poverty Law Center added misogynistic organizations to their list of hate groups for the first time this year.





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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:41 am

Ugh. I can't even...
Why don't they visit Amsterdam?!

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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:40 am

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These vehicle-ramming type attacks get kind of frequent. It's such an ugly and lazy method. Didn't Lanza write something to that effect? How he could not get into this method because it was too unpersonal?
That's why people do it. Because it's lazy. All you have to do is get a car and drive it into a crowd of people. Simple as that. That's why they're so frequent, you don't need to plan it a lot, it doesn't require a ton of intellect to get a high score (while for a bombing for example it does) and even with strict gun laws you can still do it as countries would never ban cars.

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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:47 am

"What are they going to suggest next, ban vehicles!?"

No, because vehicles, unlike guns, have a purpose outside of killing/injuring things.  Glad I could shoot this stupid talking point down.


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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:08 pm

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These vehicle-ramming type attacks get kind of frequent. It's such an ugly and lazy method. Didn't Lanza write something to that effect? How he could not get into this method because it was too unpersonal?
That's why people do it. Because it's lazy. All you have to do is get a car and drive it into a crowd of people. Simple as that. That's why they're so frequent, you don't need to plan it a lot, it doesn't require a ton of intellect to get a high score (while for a bombing for example it does) and even with strict gun laws you can still do it as countries would never ban cars.

Yes, exactly. It's easy, cheap and can be done without a lot of preparation. Getting (and hiding) guns (or other materials), making plans, planning diversions etc. is work. But renting a van and plowing in a group of people, no problem.
This last christmas I saw large temporary concrete pollers at the entrance to the local christmas market. So this is the solution to the subject of "baning vans because they could be used in a ramming attack".
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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:20 pm

There was a Toronto Maple Leaf game here the evening after the attack. Security and Police placed large cement blocks around the area people would be walking on the sidewalks on thier way to the game. To protect them from any other type of attack. I've read that exterior landscaping has changed in Europe to help protect people from these kinds of attacks.

I don't understand the mentality of "i hate being celibate so I'm going to kill a bunch of innocent people."
It's completely beyond my understanding ...if true.

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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:25 pm

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"What are they going to suggest next, ban vehicles!?"

No, because vehicles, unlike guns, have a purpose outside of killing/injuring things.  Glad I could shoot this stupid talking point down.

Man you're dense.

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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:08 pm

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These vehicle-ramming type attacks get kind of frequent. It's such an ugly and lazy method. Didn't Lanza write something to that effect? How he could not get into this method because it was too unpersonal?
That's why people do it. Because it's lazy. All you have to do is get a car and drive it into a crowd of people. Simple as that. That's why they're so frequent, you don't need to plan it a lot, it doesn't require a ton of intellect to get a high score (while for a bombing for example it does) and even with strict gun laws you can still do it as countries would never ban cars.

Yes, exactly. It's easy, cheap and can be done without a lot of preparation. Getting (and hiding) guns (or other materials), making plans, planning diversions etc. is work. But renting a van and plowing in a group of people, no problem.
This last christmas I saw large temporary concrete pollers at the entrance to the local christmas market. So this is the solution to the subject of "baning vans because they could be used in a ramming attack".
Exactly.
Also if I recall correctly, went I went to Times Square there were blocks of stone on the sidewalk which were apparently there to stop vehicles.

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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:35 pm

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"What are they going to suggest next, ban vehicles!?"

No, because vehicles, unlike guns, have a purpose outside of killing/injuring things.  Glad I could shoot this stupid talking point down.

Man you're dense.

Care to offer a counterpoint?

This braindead talking point is all over Twitter and elsewhere because these people literally do not know the primary function of a vehicle vs. a gun.


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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:43 pm

ban assault vans omgg!!!!111
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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:38 pm

Great now this is going to demonise all Incels and make all of them seem like misogynists who hate women and support violence.
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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:43 pm

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Great now this is going to demonise all Incels and make all of them seem like misogynists who hate women and support violence.    


 It likely will. But if you are truly a part of that community then be a voice for the ones that aren't violent or women hating.

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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:51 pm

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These vehicle-ramming type attacks get kind of frequent. It's such an ugly and lazy method. Didn't Lanza write something to that effect? How he could not get into this method because it was too unpersonal?
That's why people do it. Because it's lazy. All you have to do is get a car and drive it into a crowd of people. Simple as that. That's why they're so frequent, you don't need to plan it a lot, it doesn't require a ton of intellect to get a high score (while for a bombing for example it does) and even with strict gun laws you can still do it as countries would never ban cars.

Yes, exactly. It's easy, cheap and can be done without a lot of preparation. Getting (and hiding) guns (or other materials), making plans, planning diversions etc. is work. But renting a van and plowing in a group of people, no problem.
This last christmas I saw large temporary concrete pollers at the entrance to the local christmas market. So this is the solution to the subject of "baning vans because they could be used in a ramming attack".
Exactly.
Also if I recall correctly, went I went to Times Square there were blocks of stone on the sidewalk which were apparently there to stop vehicles.

Just read about a new direct energy weapon that uses high-powered microwaves to stop cars the Defense Department’s Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Program [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is developing.

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We will be standing in the streets and toss microwaves at vehicles.
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PostSubject: Re: Toronto Van Incident April 2018   Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:53 pm

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These vehicle-ramming type attacks get kind of frequent. It's such an ugly and lazy method. Didn't Lanza write something to that effect? How he could not get into this method because it was too unpersonal?
That's why people do it. Because it's lazy. All you have to do is get a car and drive it into a crowd of people. Simple as that. That's why they're so frequent, you don't need to plan it a lot, it doesn't require a ton of intellect to get a high score (while for a bombing for example it does) and even with strict gun laws you can still do it as countries would never ban cars.

Yes, exactly. It's easy, cheap and can be done without a lot of preparation. Getting (and hiding) guns (or other materials), making plans, planning diversions etc. is work. But renting a van and plowing in a group of people, no problem.
This last christmas I saw large temporary concrete pollers at the entrance to the local christmas market. So this is the solution to the subject of "baning vans because they could be used in a ramming attack".
Exactly.
Also if I recall correctly, went I went to Times Square there were blocks of stone on the sidewalk which were apparently there to stop vehicles.

Just read about a new direct energy weapon that uses high-powered microwaves to stop cars the Defense Department’s Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Program [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is developing.

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We will be standing in the streets and toss microwaves at vehicles.




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My heart has been so badly broken and mended again. Stronger than ever because of its dreadful wounds that I thought it could never break again. But at the sight of his face, at the knowledge that he was taking his leave forever, beyond death, it shattered.
                                                                                                                                                                                -Jeanne Kalogridis

I have love in me the likes of which you can scarcely imagine and rage the likes of which you would not believe. If I cannot satisfy the one, I will indulge the other.
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